Brad Nottens

[Jackstar]

Ottens, dont worry about him being called BIG SEXY more like BIG UNDER ACHIEVER, trade him please.
He is weak as pee for a big man, he doesnt even hurt the grass he runs on.

[Struggletown]

I reckon with the right development from the right people,and a change of attitude from a hard assed coach who would demand more from him could still bring out the superstar quality that sleeps within the big guy.
Ruckman dont play there best footy till there mid to late 20s.
Id keep him,but on less dough for sure,and if he wont cop that...then roll in bidders.

[Rodgerramjet]

A lot has been made of how he wants to go back to Adelaide. Personally, I'd book him a first class ticket outta here. He isn't an essential player. We could get another ruckman at a third of the price to do the same job without having hype surround him.
I'm not saying he is a useless player, but neither is he necessary to our team. 

If I was Brad Ottens I'd probably want to go back to Adelaide too if I was getting the kind of support and development i was getting at Richmond. The problem isn't Ottens, it's how he is being developed that is the criminal act here. A champion is being ruined here by incompetent masters and if you think a ruckmen with a third of the price of Ottens is going to do any better you are kidding yourself because that new Ruckmen will still have the same incompetent coaches and will never turn into anything remotely successful. Ottens isn't the one that needs to be gotten rid of, the coaches are the targets that need to be shot from guns and only then will Ottens and others too will have the opportunity to forfill there full potential.

[Rodgerramjet]

I would sign up Otto tomorrow if I could. He's got the talent and plenty of years ahead of him but is suffering from three things which are hindering his development - (i) dud coaches with a non-existent modern gameplan, (ii) mostly dumb and/or skill-less teammates and (iii) most importantly a proper specialist and former great VFL/AFL ruck coach. For crying out loud how was he meant to learn the specialist art of rucking from Stewart Loewe  . Get Sam Newman, Simon Madden or Scott Wynd down to Tigerland.

I would sign him up tommorrow too after telling him that he will have a whole new coaching staff to work with next year

[Rodgerramjet]

Ottens is a joke

time to get rid of him, its obvious he doesnt want to be here, adelaide would give us a 1st round pick and it would be a top first round pick too. Let the crows wait year after year for his so called "potential" to come out.

he is useless.

If from what i have read in articles about this years draft being rich in KPP then I cant see a better time to get rid of him.

This is short sighted and is not looking at the real why of his demise. Ottens isn't useless by a long shot, he is just surrounded by idiots in the coaching box. Mark Coughlan will go the same way as Ottens if nothing changes and so will Brown. Kane Johnsons skills have already started down hill since his joining the club.

[Tiger Spirit]

If I was Brad Ottens I'd probably want to go back to Adelaide too if I was getting the kind of support and development i was getting at Richmond. The problem isn't Ottens, it's how he is being developed that is the criminal act here. A champion is being ruined here by incompetent masters and if you think a ruckmen with a third of the price of Ottens is going to do any better you are kidding yourself because that new Ruckmen will still have the same incompetent coaches and will never turn into anything remotely successful. Ottens isn't the one that needs to be gotten rid of, the coaches are the targets that need to be shot from guns and only then will Ottens and others too will have the opportunity to forfill there full potential.

Absolutely agree Rodgeramjet.  I can’t believe people want to get rid of Otto.  That’s not going to change or solve anything, because, as you’ve correctly stated, he’s not necessarily the problem.

[Puntroadroar]

LOL

Ottens = No Heart, Over valued underachiever

he is a dud and if he expects Richmond to increase his pay contract at years end I'll be happy to open the door for him at Puntroad and show him the way out.

When was the last time this "potential" star took a game by the scruff of the neck like it had been touted he good do the minute he came to Richmond?

once again another Richmond player who we throw all our success starve hope at yet gets away with playing one good game now and then.

in 2 years time after we throw a heap of money at him to stay this year he will be at exactly where he is now "potential" star, yet by that time he will fall into the Gaspar model of not being worth a grain of salt come trade time because no one will want him.

Get rid of him now while he appears to be of some value, Id be happy to bet a nice quid that he wouldnt eventuate into a star at which ever club he goes to.

[Puntroadroar]

thats a bit of a cop out excuse rodgerramjet

so you blame the coaches he has been under for his failure?

funny that but I thought the same thing was being said about Richo earlier this year, yet this year he has been one of our better players under spud the dud.

I think it goes both ways not one way both the coachng staff and yes believe it or not the player concerned are at fault for his lack of development, which to me points out that he doesnt have what it takes to perform on a consistant basis. If he isnt prepared to put in the hard yards after 5-6 seasons now then he isnt worth the time.

Time to go Bradley before your "value" runs out.

[Rodgerramjet]

Trade him.  Alot of supporters would disagree but he obvioulsy doesn't want to be here and we will at least get something decent for him.  His pay check and perceived value far outweighs his output and real value.  We have suffered in the past in that we haven't faced facts with these type of players and they have really hurt the club.  Just look at Daffy, Holland, Borke, Gaspar before him.

Top post Harry,

About time Richmond people started to realise exactly this point. He is totally overated and will hurt us more if we keep him than if we trade him. For too long at Richmond we have kept these so called "potential" players and it just doesnt work, we could easily get more than his worth at years end with his age and being a tall player, we could be the ones laughing at such a trade in 2-3 years time.

You people seem to think that we have an ability to develop players down their at Richmond. I've got news for you WE DON'T. It wont matter what players we get, they will not develop under the current structure. You want to get rid of Ottens? too get in whom? Do you think we will all of a sudden be able to develop him the new person? Not on your life. We need to be able to get people who can do that before we will be able to do that and that doesn't involve getting rid of our better players, that would be disastrous.

[Rodgerramjet]

Still cannot help but think what a difference a new coach could make to the likes of Ottens, Schulz and Newman to name a few.

A mountain of difference.

[Rodgerramjet]

I reckon with the right development from the right people,and a change of attitude from a hard assed coach who would demand more from him could still bring out the superstar quality that sleeps within the big guy.
Ruckman dont play there best footy till there mid to late 20s.
Id keep him,but on less dough for sure,and if he wont cop that...then roll in bidders.

Great, someone who's actually looking.

[Puntroadroar]

Rodger rodger rodger,

you seem to be blaming our current plight on the coaching staff.

got news for you too buddy!! It wouldnt be the fact that perhaps at Richmond we have a number of overated hacks that supporters admire for performing once in a blue moon

hate to be the burden of bad news but the coach isnt the only reason for our lack of success its also the lack of decent talent we have running around on the park every week.

[JohnF]

A lot has been made of how he wants to go back to Adelaide. Personally, I'd book him a first class ticket outta here. He isn't an essential player. We could get another ruckman at a third of the price to do the same job without having hype surround him.
I'm not saying he is a useless player, but neither is he necessary to our team. 

If I was Brad Ottens I'd probably want to go back to Adelaide too if I was getting the kind of support and development i was getting at Richmond. The problem isn't Ottens, it's how he is being developed that is the criminal act here. A champion is being ruined here by incompetent masters and if you think a ruckmen with a third of the price of Ottens is going to do any better you are kidding yourself because that new Ruckmen will still have the same incompetent coaches and will never turn into anything remotely successful. Ottens isn't the one that needs to be gotten rid of, the coaches are the targets that need to be shot from guns and only then will Ottens and others too will have the opportunity to forfill there full potential.

Rodge, then tell me why Ottens had a good year in 2001 under the admittedly incompetant Frawley? Why hadn't Frawley stunted his potential there?

Ottens strikes me as a confidence player, and if he was in a good team he'd probably be a star. But I don't think he is the type of player who burns with desire to turn the tables when things are going bad, as they are at Richmond.  In my opinion, a player's character comes to the fore in troubled times, when everything is shot to schit. We are experiencing those times now, and Ottens hasn't stepped up at all. I don't think he is mentally strong enough to thrive in an environment where he has to make something happen rather than just rely on playing in a good team to kick start everything. He is too lackadaisical and lacks any killer instinct whatsoever.

If we improve as a team, I'm pretty sure we'd start seeing his form improve too. But seeing that we are probably going to be cellar dwellers for the next 3 years, i don't think we will get anything out of him in that time but the same limp wristed tap outs and taking the occasional good grab, as he is doing now.

[Puntroadroar]

here here JohnF

couldnt have said it better myself.

[Rodgerramjet]

thats a bit of a cop out excuse rodgerramjet

No cop out just a fact.

so you blame the coaches he has been under for his failure?

Yes.

funny that but I thought the same thing was being said about Richo earlier this year, yet this year he has been one of our better players under spud the dud.

Richo is in exactly the same boat as Ottens, they will continue to have bigger than usuall up and down moments, Richo at the moment just happens to be on an up.

I think it goes both ways not one way both the coachng staff and yes believe it or not the player concerned are at fault for his lack of development, which to me points out that he doesnt have what it takes to perform on a consistant basis. If he isnt prepared to put in the hard yards after 5-6 seasons now then he isnt worth the time.

It does go both ways, but you have to be trained right, you can be putting in all the hard yards in the world but if those hard yards are the wrong way to go about things then your screwed. And that's whats happening.