No Brett Deledio, no Richmond? ........ (Herald-Sun)

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No Brett Deledio, no Richmond?

Stats reveal star’s importance to Tigers


Herald-Sun
August 08, 2015 11:19AM

RICHMOND must wrap Brett Deledio in cotton wool and hope their star is available in September if they want to do any damage whatsoever in the finals.

Everyone knows it and the stats back up just how important the former No.1 draft pick — who missed Friday night’s loss through illness — is to the Tigers.

But it was underlined against the Crows as Deledio’s Tigers slumped to a woeful loss in Adelaide.

Richmond was in the match at times but the statistics were damning at the end of the match. Perhaps more alarming was how impotent the Richmond side looked when going forward — where the man known as ‘Lids’ has been stationed this season.

While coach Damien Hardwick rightly pointed out after the match his side was missing considerable arsenal in Deledio and also Ben Griffiths and Shane Edwards, it was the absence of matchwinner Deledio that most stung.

Given Richmond was smacked in several key areas — tackles, contested footy, inside 50s — against Adelaide, it’s unlikely Deledio would have made much difference.

But there’s little disputing they looked a different side minus the man in the No.3 jumper. Is it mind over matter when the Tigers run out without Deledio?

Analyst David King has serious concerns.

“Without Deledio they looked lost, they looked like the Richmond of two or three years ago,” he said on SEN.

But Garry Lyon warned that putting the loss to the Crows down to Deledio’s absence was “the simplistic view”.

“Sometimes it can be as simple as your best players getting beaten by the opposition’s best players,” he said on Triple M.

“Last night Riewoldt, Cotchin, Rance and Maric had the biggest hidings they’ve had invidually for a long, long time and as a result they got smashed.”

Just six days ago, Richmond upset raging flag favourite Hawthorn, with Deledio booting four goals in a best-afield display.

The Tigers were comprehensively outgunned by the Crows at the Adelaide Oval — casting doubt over their legitimacy of their September credentials.

Last week the Herald Sun ran a poll posing the question ‘Can Richmond win the 2015 premiership?’ Almost 75 per cent of respondents voted ‘yes’ to that question.

After Friday night, many would be changing that view.

Especially if Brett Deledio isn’t in the Tigers’ line-up.

Richmond - the Deledio factor

2014/15

With Deledio

Wins - 21
Losses - 11

Without Deledio

Wins - 2
Losses - 7

* Deledio has missed nine matches since 2008. Richmond have a win-loss record of 2-7 without him in the team. Both wins have come against the Brisbane Lions.

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[Penelope]

what sort of a mouth breather compares the wins with deledio in the side from the last two years with the losses without him from the last 7 years?

This is how people manipulate stats to back up their point and is lowest level, usually reserved for politicians.

give us the win loss ratios from one single period with and without him in the team, dick heads.

[Diocletian]

Maric's biggest hiding for a long time? Has Lyon been watching the last two years? Or any of our matches against the WA sides?

...and Cotchin wasn't exactly flogged by Dangerfield....

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The Lids angle is rubbish.

They DID get smacked, all over the ground.

Well done Crows.

[Penelope]

Maric's biggest hiding for a long time? Has Lyon been watching the last two years? Or any of our matches against the WA sides?

...and Cotchin wasn't exactly flogged by Dangerfield....

while dangerfield probably had the upper hand over cotch, it was a good duel.

wasnt the first time this year we have been smashed in clearances, specially in the middle, which is a concern.

i wonder if our half forwards were following or disobeying team rules as they let the crows half backs run off to get centre clearance after centre clearance.

[WA Tiger]

The Lids angle is rubbish.

They DID get smacked, all over the ground.

Well done Crows.

 

[Diocletian]

By the same token you can't argue his absence had no effect. It clearly affected our forward line, it was one less quality player Adelaide needed to worry about stopping, he's our only high quality linebreaker with Edwards out  - not as if we're Hawthorn with a dozen guns and quality depth that we can afford to have one or two top players out and barely skip a beat.

We still should've won though - Adelaide are a decidedly ordinary side and they were just as fumbly and shyte as us for large parts of the match - they just worked harder and were smarter when it counted.

[WA Tiger]

By the same token you can't argue his absence had no effect. It clearly affected our forward line, it was one less quality player Adelaide needed to worry about stopping, he's our only high quality linebreaker with Edwards out  - not as if we're Hawthorn with a dozen guns and quality depth that we can afford to have one or two top players out and barely skip a beat.

We still should've won though - Adelaide are a decidedly ordinary side and they were just as fumbly and shyte as us for large parts of the match.

Agree with this but no player should have the impact to stop the defeat we had last night, if Lids was in we still would have lost IMO. But I do know what you are saying and yes we should have won.

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They played for their dead coach last night

[Diocletian]

We were a stuffing rabble last night. We had no plan to counter Jacobs. Our two gun bookends had their worst games in years, we didn't run hard enough, were killed in the air, our spuds all spudded it up and we tackled poorly. Don't underestimate the effect the loss of Grimes had either.

[Stalin]

They played for their dead coach last night

And the new coach looks the goods too

[Petey]

Gee Im still angry about last night. Typical Richmond. Have a great win then sit back and think it's just going to happen after. Weak. Did miss Bretty though

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Richmond's lack of bite without Brett Deledio 'damaged the brand'

   Jon Pierik
     The Age
    August 9, 2015


No Brett Deledio, no Richmond? That is the question Tiger supporters are again contemplating after their side was crunched by six goals in Adelaide.

A week after the Tigers secured arguably their greatest win in years by dismantling premiership favourite Hawthorn, the Tigers were, as coach Damien Hardwick remarked, "obliterated".

The Deledio factor remains a concern, for they have now lost seven of the past nine matches without their vice-captain.

Deledio's dash and goal-scoring ability were sorely missed on a night the Tigers managed only eight goals, including three in the second half.

The absence of defensive small forward Shane Edwards also hurt, with the defeat labelled as "brand damaging" by SEN commentator David King, a former Tigers assistant coach.

The Tigers conceded 74 inside 50s – the most in their history – but had only 38 themselves, producing just 12 shots at goal.

The loss came after an intense fortnight when they narrowly lost to another flag fancy, the competition-leading Fremantle, at the MCG.

"It looked like the Richmond of two, three, four years ago," King said of the loss to the Crows.

"I think they still rely on their stars to a fair point. When you talk about leadership (on Friday night), their leaders have been leading the way. They have been showing the way and the lesser talent (have been) able to play their roles. But as soon as a couple of those key components of their leadership don't play well, don't stand up or don't lead well or don't play as Brett and Shane did last night, things seem to get lost pretty quickly."

King also questioned the class of rebounding half-back Bachar Houli, declaring he was "not sure whether in the big games Bachar does what he needs to do".

The Tigers have expressed interest in Carlton half-back Chris Yarran, who still has a year to run on his contract, and Adam Treloar, the out-of-contract Giants midfielder.

Ruckman Ivan Maric was mauled by Adelaide's Sam Jacobs, while the Tigers could not handle the likes of Patrick Dangerfield and Rory Sloane.

Commentator Matthew Lloyd also questioned Hardwick's tactics, in particular the decision to start key forward Jack Riewoldt at centre half-back early in the first term.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmonds-lack-of-bite-without-brett-deledio-damaged-the-brand-20150808-giulha.html#ixzz3iFFjUoE3

[Owl]

we looked blown, no run, tired across the board.  i am going with the flu theory.  Crows got smashed by the swans the week before the swans got rolled by a mediocre Geebung, hopefully our blokes bounce back from this and hammer out the rest of the year.

[Lozza]

Lets face it, the stats without Lids don't look good however against the Crows he would not have made the difference. The comp is so even now that if you are off your game by a few % then you will pay the consequences. We were down alot of % and should have lost by a lot more, that's the only positive out of the game that given the Crows domination our % wasn't damaged too much.