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Re: Why we lost today vs North Melbourne
« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2015, 08:48:30 PM »
That has nothing to do with having to rely on the umps. It's the fact that such a blatant free was missed that would have given us a kick to take the lead. A goal that may have inspired the team to dig in, instead a goal went the other way and the wind was taken out of our sails.

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Re: Why we lost today vs North Melbourne
« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2015, 09:05:33 PM »
Inspired the team to dig in.... Please. We were not in this game, the contested possessions says it all. Don't fool yourself with one decision that was wrong. Yes it was wrong but to think that could have turned the game is very silly really.

So what would have happened if we got the free and missed the goal. Would that have changed the contested possessions????
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Re: Why we lost today vs North Melbourne
« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2015, 09:09:27 PM »
Not good enough.

Still.

Best thing is, it wasn't a wasted year.
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Re: Why we lost today vs North Melbourne
« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2015, 10:23:35 PM »
Too many passengers.
Not enough conductors.
Not enough drivers.

Too much left to too few.

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Re: Why we lost today vs North Melbourne
« Reply #64 on: September 14, 2015, 10:37:17 PM »
You can't win finals with blokes like conca, Grigg, Chaplin, Ellis, an unfit griff.
They soooo don't have it.
Glaringly apparent when Cotch and lids are tagged out because they STILL can't shake a good one.
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Re: Why we lost today vs North Melbourne
« Reply #65 on: September 14, 2015, 11:09:38 PM »
That has nothing to do with having to rely on the umps. It's the fact that such a blatant free was missed that would have given us a kick to take the lead. A goal that may have inspired the team to dig in, instead a goal went the other way and the wind was taken out of our sails.
x2.

The whole point of having 3 field umpires is to remove the howlers.

Should add that the non-HTB decision came just after Jack was whacked across the face going for a mark, followed by Conca having his jumper clearly pulled away from his body when he was chasing a inside F50 loose ball. Yes, we have only ourselves to blame especially for our pathetic and soft 3rd quarter :facepalm, but the umpiring in the last quarter and especially that non-HTB decision was an utter disgrace and daylight robbery  >:(. It was a game and momentum changer.

Out of interest, who was the umpire in our F50 area in the last quarter?
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Re: Why we lost today vs North Melbourne
« Reply #66 on: September 15, 2015, 12:53:51 AM »
That's the umpiring rant out of the way  ;D.

Now onto our 'effort'  :P.

We lost for the same reason we didn't make the top 4 and for the same reason we don't flog bottom sides. It's called a lack of ruthlessness and footy brains and nous due to soft schoolboy errors and momentum killing brainfades  :scream.

* All day, Tiger players over-running the ball on the ground.

* All day, Tiger players missing short passes to open teammates and kicking it to Kangaroos (eg: Lids missing Grigg and hitting a Roo; Grigg missing a slipping Dusty; Conca on the run out of defence short chipping and missing a open target 20m away, etc ...).

* Second half had too many Tigers not going when it was their turn (apologies to Grimes and a few others who put their body on the line all day). We often sat off reactive to the North players attacking the footy. Result was a string of soft efforts, lame mistackles and being smashed in contested footy. Quite simply we were physically SOFT!

* The 3rd quarter itself was a soft error-a-thon  :banghead. In just the first 5 mins:
  - Two overcooked backward handpasses in the back half.
  - Dusty and Rance's aimless kicks of a loose ball from full-back to a North player on D50.
  - Chaplin playing on in defence and getting caught by Nahas.
  - Ellis and McIntosh failing to kill the ball across the boundary line and being easily pushed aside.
No wonder we were on the back foot and under pressure  :banghead.

Finals are scrutinised more, so these schoolboy errors stand out more, but we do them EVERY week and for lengthy periods in EVERY game and it's across most of the team  :scream. Even our 'stars' seem to pull these brainfades out of nowhere  :help. I would argue that our only complete four quarter effort this year was in beating Hawthorn and perhaps the Freo win at Subi where we absorbed the pressure.

1. Carlton - took 1.5 quarters to wake up.

2. Bulldogs - similar to our two finals losses at the 'G. Outworked and soft effort but lost narrowly on the scoreboard.

3. Brisbane - first half was laughably poor but the Lions are so bad that we got away with it.

4. Melbourne - see Bulldogs game but worse because it was Melbourne.

5. Geelong - another similar loss to a 'bogey' side.

6. North - enough said.

7. Coll'wood - first quarter was just insipid before we woke up.

8. Port - won without scoring in the 3rd quarter.

9. Essendon - didn't kick a goal for 25 mins in the 3rd quarter which allowed the Bombers back in the game.

10. Fremantle - first quality effort of the season.

Bye

12. West Coast - back to a similar 'finals at the 'G' performance.

13. Sydney - insipid first half followed by brilliant second half.

14. GWS - Got across the line thanks to a good last quarter after three terrible quarters.

15. Carlton - 4 goals to two first half against one of the worst Carlton sides in memory.

16. St Kilda - Went to sleep in the last quarter as the margin shrank from 52 down to just 16.

17. Fremantle - Ironically, was one of our better general play effort but lost thanks to poor goalkicking.

18. Hawthorn - best effort of the season and over four quarters.

19. Adelaide - flu may be an excuse but clearly smashed.

20. Gold Coast - the perfect example of why we are where we are. Flying start to lead by 5 goals 10 mins into the 2nd qtr and are in complete control in terms of general play against a bottom side. A 'normal' top 5 side would be feeling confident and on top of the game and on top of an ordinary opposition in a one-sided contest. Not us! We inexplicitly and without warning go into our 'brainfade, a la let's make stupid schoolboy mistakes' mode and allow the Suns to kick 3 of the last 4 goals to allow them back into the game on the scoreboard. We wake up again after half-time but the 83 point win doesn't hide the underlying problem with the team. Important to note that there's no "finals pressure" but we still go into this moronic mode without warning and can't get ourselves out of it until a quarter or half-time break.

21. Collingwood - 91 point flogging and especially a 9-goal last quarter romp was fun but it doesn't hide either the 2nd quarter pasting in general play we copped where the Maggies dominated the inside 50s (similar to North's 3rd quarter in the final).

22. Essendon - Terrible game. Only eventually put them away late 3rd/early 4th. 

23. North - won against B-side.

It's a harsh assessment given we do play tough, contested and quality footy for lengthy periods of time as well and no one expects even the best teams to be on their game every week. But as a mate in a group I watch footy with says, the most frustrating and irritating players and teams are those that do the right thing 75% of the time but then gift opposition goals through moronic stuff-ups the remaining 25%.

So for the media 'experts', our schoolboy errors and physical and mental fragility in one game is classed as choking under pressure of finals. Sorry but we do these stuff-ups EVERY week, far too often each week and often under no pressure.

We won't become a top side until we eliminate most of these schoolboy errors and perform at an elite AFL standard more consistently throughout whole games across a whole season, let alone finals. This will involve further turning over our list and bringing in more skilled and tougher footballers to add better quality and depth to our playing list.
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Re: Why we lost today vs North Melbourne
« Reply #67 on: September 15, 2015, 07:22:55 AM »
Spot on, MT!  But how do we change it?  Is it a culturàl thing, leadership, concentration, or just a playing group that isn't quite up to playing first class footy?

Similarly, is the coaching group up to it either?  Match day selection and match ups seem ineffective at times. 

I have trouble understanding how the coaching group so often fails to motivate the players, either at the start of games or after half time.  We rarely seem to hit the field with a ruthless sense of purpose.

I'm puzzled 

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Re: Why we lost today vs North Melbourne
« Reply #68 on: September 15, 2015, 08:26:36 AM »
comes down to the cattle, simple, we don't have em
Not going to blame the coaching, we had a lot of players who spudded it up big time on the day.  Some squibbed hard contests, North didn't, Some made ridiculous decisions which turned the ball over in circumstances that baffle the mind.  We were baked pretty early on and did not spread, could not get free and they managed to drag the game down into a scrag fight which suited them fine when they were defending, and they out marked us cleanly when attacking, made us look like mugs.
I will add they got away with a lot of jumper holding when we tried to spread but we can't control what the umps do and have to stuffing deal with it and should of expected that poo from North anyway, especially in a final, it's no holds stuffing barred.
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Re: Why we lost today vs North Melbourne
« Reply #69 on: September 15, 2015, 10:38:38 AM »
This pretty well says it all;

Why Richmond lost to North Melbourne, week one of finals analysed, What You Missed On TV Last Night
an hour ago
Max LaughtonFOX SPORTS
 

Sunday afternoon’s loss to North Melbourne was their third straight in an elimination final and means the Tigers haven’t won a final since 2001.

Fox Footy analyst David King believes Richmond has had a flaw ever since then, and that strategy has been the cause for their horror decade and a half.

“Harassment levels of the Kangaroos forced them into decisions they wouldn’t want to make,” King told the team On The Couch.

“It comes back to planning against Richmond and this has been a flaw for the Tigers for 15 years.

“They’ve started to defend this year by retaining possession and it just doesn’t work in finals.”

King and the Couch crew discussed how Richmond’s strategy has evolved under Damien Hardwick to a point where they love to switch sides of the ground frequently.

In response, North Melbourne pushed up and manned up on the Tigers, not allowing them to chip sideways and gather uncontested marks at wider points of the ground.

Roos pushed up and manned up. Usually they like to chip sideways and get uncontested marks wide.

“The defensive structure of the Kangaroos took away the way the Tigers wanted to play,” explained Jason Dunstall.

Triple premiership Brisbane Lion Jonathan Brown compared it to how Port Adelaide performed against the Lions in the early 2000s.

Brown said the Power couldn’t get over the hump and win that elusive flag until they changed their style to a way that suits finals footy.

“Leigh Matthews used to say to us trust in our game style, it’ll work in finals. If you keep chipping it, around the pressure builds,” Brown explained.

Gerard Healy thought the contested ball numbers for Richmond’s stars told the story.

Trent Cotchin, Shane Edwards, Dustin Martin and Brett Deledio all had six or fewer contested possessions in the elimination final, well below their season averages. Only Anthony Miles stood up in this measure with 15.

Brandon Ellis also found it hard to escape a hard tag from Sam Gibson, finishing with just 10 disposals.

The Couch team also looked at Dustin Martin’s impact, as he gathered possessions early but couldn’t make an impact with them.

‘Dusty’ had 21 disposals in the game but just five of them were in Richmond’s forward half, and none of them were inside their forward 50.

Other topics covered on the Monday night TV agenda:


TOP of the agenda was the first week of the finals, kicking off with Richmond’s loss to North Melbourne.

AFL 360 co-host Gerard Whateley began by putting it simply, saying “the Tigers lost because they weren’t good enough.”

His co-host Mark Robinson was most frustrated with how similar the result was to Richmond’s loss to Port Adelaide in an elimination final in 2014.

“You can’t move on with Richmond,” Robinson said.

“The most annoying thing about this game is they had 12 months after the heavy defeat last year and they played a year of solid football.

“They waited 12 months to get back to the exact same stage and they played soft football. They weren’t mentally ready.

“The players and coach have to take a level of that criticism and as a group they were found wanting again.”

He and Whateley agreed that the Tigers’ list simply isn’t good enough and requires additions in the off-season.

They pointed to Ivan Maric’s performance as simply not strong enough, with a ruckman high on the shopping list.

“Their base shouldn’t be washed away but what they have is insufficient,” argued Whateley.

Robinson agreed, saying “Maric has been fantastic but he can’t do it anymore.”

“They need to be bold and go after Adam Treloar and rip him from Collingwood. They’re in for Harley Bennell. Steve Johnson is available.

“They have to get more talent into their forward half and add to the midfield.”

It was agreed that the Tigers will likely be in a similar position in 12 months’ time and will need to finally measure up in 2016 or repercussions will be felt throughout the club.

“The burden has never been heavier on Richmond than it is now,” Whateley said.



WINNERS on Sunday North Melbourne were given plenty of credit however, producing intense pressure that’s critical in the finals.

“They didn’t give Richmond room to move the ball, that’s why there were so many hacked and hurried kicks in defence,” argued Robinson.

“Everything that Brad Scott did worked. The key match-ups all went North Melbourne’s way.”

He gave specific credit to leaders Andrew Swallow, Michael Firrito, Todd Goldstein, Jack Ziebell and Ben Cunnington.

Whateley approved of how the Roos’ free agency moves impacted on the victory, in particular with Shaun Higgins and Jarrad Waite.

“The broader endorsement for Scott is he had Higgins and Waite enhance the firepower,” he said.

“The overall question on North Mebourne is is it a better team? The answer it seems is yes.”

LINDSAY Thomas was fined for a silly incident where he appeared to kick Dylan Grimes soon after coming on as the sub.

The co-hosts were in agreement that the move was simple stupidity from the Roo.

“Let’s be honest, he’s an idiot. It’s an idiotic thing to do,” Robinson said.



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/why-richmond-lost-to-north-melbourne-week-one-of-finals-analysed-what-you-missed-on-tv-last-night/story-fnp04d70-1227527392109
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Re: Why we lost today vs North Melbourne
« Reply #70 on: September 15, 2015, 11:16:55 AM »
I think we can all agree that we are still the EGG team.

.......so nothing has really changed.

The fact that our 5 elected "leaders" including the captain were the softest eggs says more about us that any footy analysts. These guys have cemented there place in history of this club with substandard soft as pansies footy when it most counts unless they can perform in finals this will be their longstanding legacy.
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Re: Why we lost today vs North Melbourne
« Reply #71 on: September 15, 2015, 11:21:54 AM »
They would have been fresh if rested th week before
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Re: Why we lost today vs North Melbourne
« Reply #72 on: September 15, 2015, 12:20:14 PM »
Some very good talk from Mooney on SEN where it went wrong with us and the way they dealt with it at the Cats, also said what Thompson wound have done to change it. That shows me Hardwick is further away from being competent to take us further. Also how immature and selfish our players are.
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Re: Why we lost today vs North Melbourne
« Reply #73 on: September 15, 2015, 12:36:02 PM »
'Mental' we need some real guns.
Be ruthless richmond and let the blood run, no one expendable and get some guns into the team.

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Re: Why we lost today vs North Melbourne
« Reply #74 on: September 15, 2015, 01:22:04 PM »


“The burden has never been heavier on Richmond than it is now,” Whateley said.


Nope. Much rather this position than being bottom dwellers and being compared to worst teams in history