Why we missed out on Treloar & others - Richmond always offer le$$ than market value for new tale

[Stalin]

[Penelope]

I know we haven't offered Treloar and last year Greenwood as much as Collingwood has for both. We are really strong on our pay structure and don't deviate from it, problem is to bring in big talent you have to pay overs and we simply are unwilling to do that. People may argue that carlisle at 700k a year is overs, but that's what it takes to prize away one of the best young KP talents in the country just entering their prime.

so if you were to list all the occasions where clubs have paid overs for a big name player in recent times and listed their subsequent success (or lack thereof) how does it stack up?

[Francois Jackson]

It's a different landscape now and we just simply have the talent to win a flag with this group.

Whilst I'm not all fussed about Carlisle I think treloar at 700k was fair value

Missing  out on all these blokes didn't just come down to money I am sure of that, we all know this. We are now viewed as the house that that just won't sell and mud will stick eventually if it isn't already.

[eliminator]

I think that is a fair point it is not all about the money. There are other factors at play here.

[🏅Dooks]

Whilst money isn't everything, we aren't a Hawthorn where players will take a lower amount to be part of. That is, we are seen as mere mid level contenders with about 10 other sides. 

And when you are only prepared to pay 90% of other contender sides, you can see why it isn't the most attractive option.

[Chuck17]

I know we haven't offered Treloar and last year Greenwood as much as Collingwood has for both. We are really strong on our pay structure and don't deviate from it, problem is to bring in big talent you have to pay overs and we simply are unwilling to do that. People may argue that carlisle at 700k a year is overs, but that's what it takes to prize away one of the best young KP talents in the country just entering their prime.

so if you were to list all the occasions where clubs have paid overs for a big name player in recent times and listed their subsequent success (or lack thereof) how does it stack up?

Would the Buddy deal be considered overs?, would probably have thoughts so and more so now with his mental health issues.  Has Buddy lifted the Swans?, I wouldn't have thought so in that they are a side hanging around 3-6 spot over the last few years but which can't stand up to the the top sides in the comp.

[Stalin]

Due to Tippett and buddy (in part), if the stay somewhat sane/fit

They are a (at least, somewhat realistic ) chance for a flag every season, pretty much

Hard to argue ten million is not overs.  But the swannies are laugh with the length of the contract so it's an unusual one     

[Penelope]

I'd argue tippett was over as well.

so the swans paid overs for two forwards.

In 2012 they kicked 2290 points, 5th most with league average 1990. they kicked 115% of the average

Picked up tippet 2013

kicked 2240 for the year. 4th most @ 109% of league average 2051

got franklin 2014

kicked 2126 4th most@ 112% of league average 1884

2015 kicked 2006 5th most @ 106% of league average 1889.

So they paid overs for two goal kickers, yet on raw numbers their scoring has dropped each year.

Taking into account the league trend, they have slightly declined, then dropped off significantly this year.

money well spent?

[Stalin]

Both will start top five favourite for the Coleman

For next 5 years

Or there abouts

[Dougeytherichmondfan]

I'd argue tippett was over as well.

so the swans paid overs for two forwards.

In 2012 they kicked 2290 points, 5th most with league average 1990. they kicked 115% of the average

Picked up tippet 2013

kicked 2240 for the year. 4th most @ 109% of league average 2051

got franklin 2014

kicked 2126 4th most@ 112% of league average 1884

2015 kicked 2006 5th most @ 106% of league average 1889.

So they paid overs for two goal kickers, yet on raw numbers their scoring has dropped each year.

Taking into account the league trend, they have slightly declined, then dropped off significantly this year.

money well spent?

Great stats and research! We'll make an academic out of you yet!

[Penelope]

not stuffing likely

[the claw]

It's a different landscape now and we just simply have the talent to win a flag with this group.

Whilst I'm not all fussed about Carlisle I think treloar at 700k was fair value

Missing  out on all these blokes didn't just come down to money I am sure of that, we all know this. We are now viewed as the house that that just won't sell and mud will stick eventually if it isn't already.

Sorry Angus i usually agree with most  of what you say but this group is nowhere near a premiership.

[Stalin]

not stuffing likely

top ten

[Stalin]

It's a different landscape now and we just simply have the talent to win a flag with this group.

Whilst I'm not all fussed about Carlisle I think treloar at 700k was fair value

Missing  out on all these blokes didn't just come down to money I am sure of that, we all know this. We are now viewed as the house that that just won't sell and mud will stick eventually if it isn't already.

Sorry Angus i usually agree with most  of what you say but this group is nowhere near a premiership.

Jake Needles is 24

saints might be close to a flag in six years?

[Penelope]

15 years is the mail