Confirmed: Dimma re-signed for two years (RFC site)

[1965]

Since 1965, 15 coaches have winless finals records. Dimma is the only one with 3 finals losses without a win.

Robert Walls has the lowest finals win percentage (5 from 13 = 38.5%) of the premiership coaches since 1965. He won an EF in 1981 at Fitzroy before losing the next 4 finals in row. In 1983, the Roys went out in straight sets after finishing 3rd (equal 2nd on %). Walls then swapped with Parkin in 1986 and won a flag at Carlton in 1987.

Of course, Richmond sacked the only premiership coach since 1965 with a 100% finals winning record in TJ  .

Hey, leave me out of it.

 

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Chapman has had it. Send him back to Geelong.

[big tone]

Russo said he thought Hardwick was good (great?) coach .

Ok thanks, so no precedents of a coach taking 7 or more seasons to win their first final and then going on to win a flag with the same club in 120 seasons of VFL/AFL football then....

not that i advocate the extension by any stretch, but how many coaches have taken over such a basket case and got them to finals in 4 years? and there is a precedent of a coach taking 4 years of finals appearances to win a final then go on to win a premiership

Dunno Al - no doubt Hardwick didn't start in ideal circumstances, but I reckon the whole "basket case" thing is a bit exaggerated and a crutch some people are still using 7 seasons later....mainly to do with all the "worst since Fitzroy" crap the media ran with in the first half of 2010 - we ended up winning 6 games nearly won a 7th from 10 goals down and didn't even finish last, so we weren't even the worst side in the comp. We were far more of a basket case when Wallace took over IMO (not that I rate that prick either)....but hell, Port were nearly insolvent when Hinkley got the job there....and look at all the stuff that happened to Footscray last off-season.......now these are far from perfect analogies I know and they both still had fairly good lists....but those first year coaches both overcame serious issues and were immediately successful, while we're using excuses from 2010 in 2016....

I agree, "the worst since Fitzroy" is so far off the mark it isn't funny.
A side with Lids, Cotch, Rance, Jack, Edwards, Martin, and Vickery can't be all that bad even though they were young. Still to this day they our best players and we are 6 drafts on.

[taztiger4]

Russo said he thought Hardwick was good (great?) coach .

Ok thanks, so no precedents of a coach taking 7 or more seasons to win their first final and then going on to win a flag with the same club in 120 seasons of VFL/AFL football then....

not that i advocate the extension by any stretch, but how many coaches have taken over such a basket case and got them to finals in 4 years? and there is a precedent of a coach taking 4 years of finals appearances to win a final then go on to win a premiership

Dunno Al - no doubt Hardwick didn't start in ideal circumstances, but I reckon the whole "basket case" thing is a bit exaggerated and a crutch some people are still using 7 seasons later....mainly to do with all the "worst since Fitzroy" crap the media ran with in the first half of 2010 - we ended up winning 6 games nearly won a 7th from 10 goals down and didn't even finish last, so we weren't even the worst side in the comp. We were far more of a basket case when Wallace took over IMO (not that I rate that prick either)....but hell, Port were nearly insolvent when Hinkley got the job there....and look at all the stuff that happened to Footscray last off-season.......now these are far from perfect analogies I know and they both still had fairly good lists....but those first year coaches both overcame serious issues and were immediately successful, while we're using excuses from 2010 in 2016....

I agree, "the worst since Fitzroy" is so far off the mark it isn't funny.
A side with Lids, Cotch, Rance, Jack, Edwards, Martin, and Vickery can't be all that bad even though they were young. Still to this day they our best players and we are 6 drafts on.

interesting

2010 draft we had pick 6
2011 draft we had pick 15
2012 draft we had pick 9
2013 draft we had pick 12
2014 draft we had pick 12
2015 draft we had pick 15

compared to the players you named @ picks 1,2,18,13,26,3 & 8

[Stalin]

Port almost folded ffs

but they don't have grigg and they got rid of chapman

A side with Lids, Cotch, Rance, Jack, Edwards, Martin, and Vickery can't be all that bad even though they were young. Still to this day they our best players and we are 6 drafts on.

[big tone]

Russo said he thought Hardwick was good (great?) coach .

Ok thanks, so no precedents of a coach taking 7 or more seasons to win their first final and then going on to win a flag with the same club in 120 seasons of VFL/AFL football then....

not that i advocate the extension by any stretch, but how many coaches have taken over such a basket case and got them to finals in 4 years? and there is a precedent of a coach taking 4 years of finals appearances to win a final then go on to win a premiership

Dunno Al - no doubt Hardwick didn't start in ideal circumstances, but I reckon the whole "basket case" thing is a bit exaggerated and a crutch some people are still using 7 seasons later....mainly to do with all the "worst since Fitzroy" crap the media ran with in the first half of 2010 - we ended up winning 6 games nearly won a 7th from 10 goals down and didn't even finish last, so we weren't even the worst side in the comp. We were far more of a basket case when Wallace took over IMO (not that I rate that prick either)....but hell, Port were nearly insolvent when Hinkley got the job there....and look at all the stuff that happened to Footscray last off-season.......now these are far from perfect analogies I know and they both still had fairly good lists....but those first year coaches both overcame serious issues and were immediately successful, while we're using excuses from 2010 in 2016....

I agree, "the worst since Fitzroy" is so far off the mark it isn't funny.
A side with Lids, Cotch, Rance, Jack, Edwards, Martin, and Vickery can't be all that bad even though they were young. Still to this day they our best players and we are 6 drafts on.

interesting

2010 draft we had pick 6
2011 draft we had pick 15
2012 draft we had pick 9
2013 draft we had pick 12
2014 draft we had pick 12
2015 draft we had pick 15

compared to the players you named @ picks 1,2,18,13,26,3 & 8

I'm not totally sure of your point but those picks of the last 6 years are all decent picks. All first round picks. But really Vlastuin is the only one that has shown he could be as good as the other 7 named.

[the claw]

Russo said he thought Hardwick was good (great?) coach .

Ok thanks, so no precedents of a coach taking 7 or more seasons to win their first final and then going on to win a flag with the same club in 120 seasons of VFL/AFL football then....

not that i advocate the extension by any stretch, but how many coaches have taken over such a basket case and got them to finals in 4 years? and there is a precedent of a coach taking 4 years of finals appearances to win a final then go on to win a premiership

Dunno Al - no doubt Hardwick didn't start in ideal circumstances, but I reckon the whole "basket case" thing is a bit exaggerated and a crutch some people are still using 7 seasons later....mainly to do with all the "worst since Fitzroy" crap the media ran with in the first half of 2010 - we ended up winning 6 games nearly won a 7th from 10 goals down and didn't even finish last, so we weren't even the worst side in the comp. We were far more of a basket case when Wallace took over IMO (not that I rate that prick either)....but hell, Port were nearly insolvent when Hinkley got the job there....and look at all the stuff that happened to Footscray last off-season.......now these are far from perfect analogies I know and they both still had fairly good lists....but those first year coaches both overcame serious issues and were immediately successful, while we're using excuses from 2010 in 2016....

Absolutely spot on.
I can think of one club/coach  who was no better off than us in fact their list was considered worse than ours and won a flag in his fourth year. Does Alister Clarkson ring any bells.
What an absolute nonsense this basket case crap is.

I think he did quitre well in his first three seasons but since 2012 i thnk we have stagnated and the hard decisions have stopped.
WCE FINISHED LAST IN 2010 yet have made a G/F.
In Hardwicks time many sides started above us then went backwards and have now either gone past us or threaten to. Yet all we get is this basket case rubbish from 7 years ago.

[(•))(©™]

Three consecutive failures in elimination finals should pretty much be the icing on the cake.

Put it is way, I don't see that as any reason to extend his contract, let alone by two years.

[Penelope]

lmao at a club that had not played finals for 8 years, once in the last 14 and twice in the last 27 not being a basket case. If that is not a basket case WTF is? 

In the last 50 the only coaches to take over a club that had not played finals for 5 years or more and go on to win a premiership were Malthouse and Pagan It took Malthouse 4 years to make the finals and 11 to win a premiership, Pagan 1 and 4. Interestingly, both went on coach carlton, Malthouse taking over after 3 final series in 4 years, making the finals through default in his first and then sliding the blues down to a wooden spoon, while pagan also took over after 3 final appearances in 4 years, finishing with 2 wooden spoons and 2 2nd lasts in his 5 years.

[one-eyed]

Meanwhile, Vickery has backed the imminent two-year contract extension set to be handed to coach Damien Hardwick.

AFL.com.au reported on Monday night that Hardwick's new deal would be confirmed before the start of the season.

"It's the right time and he's the right man and I think giving him the security, and taking away any scrutiny is the right thing," Vickery said.

"It's really good news for Damien and the football club."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-08/testing-time-for-ty-vickery-ahead-of-tiger-return

[Diocletian]

lmao at a club that had not played finals for 8 years, once in the last 14 and twice in the last 27 not being a basket case. If that is not a basket case WTF is? 

In the last 50 the only coaches to take over a club that had not played finals for 5 years or more and go on to win a premiership were Malthouse and Pagan It took Malthouse 4 years to make the finals and 11 to win a premiership, Pagan 1 and 4. Interestingly, both went on coach carlton, Malthouse taking over after 3 final series in 4 years, making the finals through default in his first and then sliding the blues down to a wooden spoon, while pagan also took over after 3 final appearances in 4 years, finishing with 2 wooden spoons and 2 2nd lasts in his 5 years.

 Malthouse made the finals in his 3rd year at Collingwood, all the way to the Grand Final , as he did again in his fourth year.

Sorry Al but I thought a "basket case" referred to things like the state of the list, off-field turmoil, in-fighting, serious financial strife, no resources, player discontent, stars walking out etc...we were in debt but we weren't about to fold, the board was united, we had a core of good young players...a definite plan (for once)....improving resources, no-one significant walked out.  Even Wallace had to deal with Ottens walking out. We were certainly in a better state than we were in 2005.  Yes we've been a basket case at various stages over the last three decades but it actually wasn't as dire in 2010 as many would have you believe.....Hardwick's had a damn site more support & resources at his disposal than Wallace or Frawely ever did.....hell, probably more than any Richmond coach ever has....

[Penelope]

yeah thats correct re malthouse, i must have been looking at the table cross eyed.

it doesnt change that very few coaches have taken over a club with such an ingrained culture of failure as Richmond had, and had any real success.

It also needs to be taken into consideration that before Hardwick first season there were 8 (9 if you count Polak) delistings 3 retirements and 2 traded out , thats over a quarter of your list and over 100 games of experience. I dont think there was any player on the list who had played AFL finals and for the first three years hardwick effective tanked, sfter stripping the list back a bare core, he was more concerned about getting 500 games of experience into young players than actually winning.

Seriously, i doubt anyone that is saying we were not a basket case sat back at the end of 2009 and thought, " geez, how good is this state of affairs?"

I have doubts he can deliver a premeirship, but he started a long way back and it never ceases to amaze me how once people have made their mind in the negative on someone they outright refuse to see any positve at all

[the claw]

yeah thats correct re malthouse, i must have been looking at the table cross eyed.

Whats new here you look at all things cross eyed.

Plain old common sense, which lets face it  we wont get from you,  says most coaches get sacked because their sides were on or near the bottom of the ladder. On field basket cases.
Hardwicks situation was no different to many others.In fact Wallace had done a lot of the rebuilding work before he came making Hardwicks job easier than a lot of coaches having to start from scratch.

lmao at a club that had not played finals for 8 years, once in the last 14 and twice in the last 27 not being a basket case. If that is not a basket case WTF is? 

In the last 50 the only coaches to take over a club that had not played finals for 5 years or more and go on to win a premiership were Malthouse and Pagan It took Malthouse 4 years to make the finals and 11 to win a premiership, Pagan 1 and 4. Interestingly, both went on coach carlton, Malthouse taking over after 3 final series in 4 years, making the finals through default in his first and then sliding the blues down to a wooden spoon, while pagan also took over after 3 final appearances in 4 years, finishing with 2 wooden spoons and 2 2nd lasts in his 5 years.

 Malthouse made the finals in his 3rd year at Collingwood, all the way to the Grand Final , as he did again in his fourth year.

Sorry Al but I thought a "basket case" referred to things like the state of the list, off-field turmoil, in-fighting, serious financial strife, no resources, player discontent, stars walking out etc...we were in debt but we weren't about to fold, the board was united, we had a core of good young players...a definite plan (for once)....improving resources, no-one significant walked out.  Even Wallace had to deal with Ottens walking out. We were certainly in a better state than we were in 2005.  Yes we've been a basket case at various stages over the last three decades but it actually wasn't as dire in 2010 as many would have you believe.....Hardwick's had a damn site more support & resources at his disposal than Wallace or Frawely ever did.....hell, probably more than any Richmond coach ever has....

That cant be right a logical common sense look at things. It just doesnt fit in with Alisons rose coloured view of all things footy.

[Chuck17]

Well stuff me I have heard it all now

Lets bring back Wallace

[the claw]

Well stuff me I have heard it all now

Lets bring back Wallace

Ah Alisons little side kick Where ever Al goes theres little chucky holding his hot little hand in support.Stop fretting little chuck Al can look after himself.
With yet another incisive informative post lol.

I suppose Riewoldt, Deledio, Cotchin, Rance Vickery Edwards are not among our better players still. Without them we would finish on the bottom of the ladder. 7  yrs of dimma  and so few have got to their level.

I would argue no it  is fact.Our better players are still the players taken under Wallace. Also   the keeping of and utilising  first round picks as a matter of course began under Wallace.Thats probably the  biggest culture change this club has adopted and it began with Wallace. Maybe he should be given some credit for the 1st round picks we have taken since his time.
 But hey that doesnt fit your warped little view that nothing good ever came from the wallace years.

Now go away like a good little boy and only come back when you can actually voice an opinion of your own containing just a smidgeon of common sense.