Confirmed: Dimma re-signed for two years (RFC site)

[Petey]

Claw you just proved you know nothing.

Wallace doing the job for Dimma I'm not even sold on Dimma and I can say he DID start from scratch. Did you see our side in 2010? Ben Nason, Mitch Farmer and all kinds of shockers were walk up starts. He played anyone and everyone. After 2010, we saw good improvement every year through to 2013. Since then, we've been unable to win a final which is why, in my opinion, it is ridiculous to give him a further 2 seasons on his contract. however, this does not mean that Hardwick didn't do a good job to get us into the spot we're currently in now.

[Chuck17]

Well stuff me I have heard it all now

Lets bring back Wallace

Ah Alisons little side kick Where ever Al goes theres little chucky holding his hot little hand in support.Stop fretting little chuck Al can look after himself.
With yet another incisive informative post lol.

I suppose Riewoldt, Deledio, Cotchin, Rance Vickery Edwards are not among our better players still. Without them we would finish on the bottom of the ladder. 7  yrs of dimma  and so few have got to their level.

I would argue no it  is fact.Our better players are still the players taken under Wallace. Also   the keeping of and utilising  first round picks as a matter of course began under Wallace.Thats probably the  biggest culture change this club has adopted and it began with Wallace. Maybe he should be given some credit for the 1st round picks we have taken since his time.
 But hey that doesnt fit your warped little view that nothing good ever came from the wallace years.

Now go away like a good little boy and only come back when you can actually voice an opinion of your own containing just a smidgeon of common sense.

I was about to say you have lost all credibility giving Wallace the credit for the current list but something has just hit me...are you Terry Wallace......or his wife/girlfirend or boyfriend?

[Diocletian]

Petey, how did you rate Hawthorn when Clarkson took over or Port when Hinkley started?

[Diocletian]

Well stuff me I have heard it all now

Lets bring back Wallace

Ah Alisons little side kick Where ever Al goes theres little chucky holding his hot little hand in support.Stop fretting little chuck Al can look after himself.
With yet another incisive informative post lol.

I suppose Riewoldt, Deledio, Cotchin, Rance Vickery Edwards are not among our better players still. Without them we would finish on the bottom of the ladder. 7  yrs of dimma  and so few have got to their level.

I would argue no it  is fact.Our better players are still the players taken under Wallace. Also   the keeping of and utilising  first round picks as a matter of course began under Wallace.Thats probably the  biggest culture change this club has adopted and it began with Wallace. Maybe he should be given some credit for the 1st round picks we have taken since his time.
 But hey that doesnt fit your warped little view that nothing good ever came from the wallace years.

Now go away like a good little boy and only come back when you can actually voice an opinion of your own containing just a smidgeon of common sense.

I was about to say you have lost all credibility giving Wallace the credit for the current list but something has just hit me...are you Terry Wallace......or his wife/girlfirend or boyfriend?

"Rayzorwire" was TW, Chucky.....and to be fair to old claw, from what I remember, he definitely didn't like Rayzorwire....

[Petey]

Ports list was OK. Hawthorn drafted extremely well when clarko took over

Both clubs were in better positions than us imo

[Diocletian]

Ports list was OK. Hawthorn drafted extremely well when clarko took over

Both clubs were in better positions than us imo

Fair enough.

FWIW, I think Wallace was a better tactical coach and match day coach and we were in an better position in 2010 then we were in 2005, particularly off-field, but that has nothing to do with Leatherface and there's no way in hell he did a better job than Hardwick or helped set him up... but again I'd also add that no Richmond coach has been better supported & resourced than Hardwick has been during his tenure....(though I still think we've been short on assistants/ line coaches since Leppa left....) would also add that some decidedly ordinary & uninspired list management IMO has contributed to the stagnation in the last couple of years as much as Hardwick's coaching and selections....

[Petey]

Yeah I'd agree with that

[Go Richo 12]

Maybe one way to look at it is this way?
Did Wallace leave the list in better shape than it was when he got the job? That's debatable.
Is the list better now than when Dimma first got the job?
Definitely, and there are compromised drafts in there too.

[Stalin]

Wallace went the half assed rebuild

Which is almost fair enough given the brown-Richo. We were 7-2 and flying

[the claw]

Claw you just proved you know nothing.

Wallace doing the job for Dimma I'm not even sold on Dimma and I can say he DID start from scratch. Did you see our side in 2010? Ben Nason, Mitch Farmer and all kinds of shockers were walk up starts. He played anyone and everyone. After 2010, we saw good improvement every year through to 2013. Since then, we've been unable to win a final which is why, in my opinion, it is ridiculous to give him a further 2 seasons on his contract. however, this does not mean that Hardwick didn't do a good job to get us into the spot we're currently in now.

I made  just two points.
1/ Cotchin,  Deledio, Rance Riewoldt, Edwards, Vickery all widely regarded as our better players a few i disagree with but thats another debate.These are wallace picks. The simple fact remains so few players From Hardwicks 6 yrs have achieved that level. People are in denial if they think we can win games without the Wallace era picks.We would probably finish on the bottom.
Clarkson had a similar group of kids coming thru when he took over at the Hawks as Hardwick had when he took over.It took him just three years to win a final.

Another simple fact remains is when Wallace took over from Spud every year before  we were trading out of the early rounds of the ND. Wallace put a stop to that and we have used every first round pick since Wallace began at the club.Now this culture change began with WALLACE not 5 yrs later with Hardwick.

Look i despise Wallace as much as the next poster but i will give him credit in the few instances he deserves it. Are you telling me Wallace did nothing of any good while at richmond.

For the record Hardwick bought Farmer, Nason and all sorts of shockers to the club.I can give you a list of around  30 odd if you wish thats probably being conservative.

[the claw]

Well stuff me I have heard it all now

Lets bring back Wallace

Ah Alisons little side kick Where ever Al goes theres little chucky holding his hot little hand in support.Stop fretting little chuck Al can look after himself.
With yet another incisive informative post lol.

I suppose Riewoldt, Deledio, Cotchin, Rance Vickery Edwards are not among our better players still. Without them we would finish on the bottom of the ladder. 7  yrs of dimma  and so few have got to their level.

I would argue no it  is fact.Our better players are still the players taken under Wallace. Also   the keeping of and utilising  first round picks as a matter of course began under Wallace.Thats probably the  biggest culture change this club has adopted and it began with Wallace. Maybe he should be given some credit for the 1st round picks we have taken since his time.
 But hey that doesnt fit your warped little view that nothing good ever came from the wallace years.

Now go away like a good little boy and only come back when you can actually voice an opinion of your own containing just a smidgeon of common sense.

I was about to say you have lost all credibility giving Wallace the credit for the current list but something has just hit me...are you Terry Wallace......or his wife/girlfirend or boyfriend?

"Rayzorwire" was TW, Chucky.....and to be fair to old claw, from what I remember, he definitely didn't like Rayzorwire....

Lol old Rayzor i wonder what that fool is up to nowdays. Probably got some sense and stopped posting on  footy forums for nuffies.

[Willy]

You know what's worse than posting on football forums for nuffies?

Repeatedly saying that you quit said forums only to return a few days later.

[the claw]

Ports list was OK. Hawthorn drafted extremely well when clarko took over

Both clubs were in better positions than us imo

Havent we drafted well since Hardwick took over.
Port finished 16th of 17 teams in 2011 with just 3 wins. how was there list in better shape than ours ? There is just too much b/s and excuse making going on here.Theres this inferiority complex where supporters have to paint the picture of we did it harder than anyone else  what a crock of poo.

[the claw]

You know what's worse than posting on football forums for nuffies?

Repeatedly saying that you quit said forums only to return a few days later.

That would make me a nuffie as well, i was including myself in the comment. Its not all about you Willy 

[the claw]

Meanwhile, Vickery has backed the imminent two-year contract extension set to be handed to coach Damien Hardwick.

AFL.com.au reported on Monday night that Hardwick's new deal would be confirmed before the start of the season.

"It's the right time and he's the right man and I think giving him the security, and taking away any scrutiny is the right thing," Vickery said.

"It's really good news for Damien and the football club."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-08/testing-time-for-ty-vickery-ahead-of-tiger-return

Of course he would back Dimwit. Damien keeps on gifting him games when no others would. Its not just about Damiens security he is talking about here.