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Re: Rebuild vs Rearrange
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2016, 01:34:19 PM »
The supporters won't wait for a proper rebuild.  We demand a half arsed effort.  We demand average players from other clubs.
I say we demand a better half arsed effort for next season!

Three-quarter arsed effort at least.... :gotigers
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Re: Rebuild vs Rearrange
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2016, 02:32:44 PM »
You can build through the middle. Look at the Swans for a perfect example and of late Geelong and the Hawks but whatever way you go you have to do it very well.  I don't think this is the right question in the end. I think the right questions are
Do we recruit excellently
Do we develop players excellently
And so on
You can argue our game plan is crappola but Sydney woon a flag using it 10 years ago and Hawthorn love to corral too, so it doesn't mean we can't win with a variation  on what we already do.
But does it give excellent results. I'm not convinced I think it has been superceded by the out of bounds and time to take your kick rule.  Sydney players used to take 30 sec to take their kick in 2005 you can't do that now. We now can't dribble it out of bounds to force a stoppage either. Given all that we need change to excellence, how we do that is open ended.

Hawks build from bottom. (2004 draft, 2001)

Geelong were lucky father rules hadn't been changed.

Swans are a bad example. RFC can't really throw 18 million at two guns.. Pooing bricks about a mill to sack Dimma



Yeah but since 2008 the Hawks have regenerated and since 2011 geelong too.  It's been 12 years since hawthorn bottomed out. Which ever way you go, just do it very well.

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Re: Rebuild vs Rearrange
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2016, 07:52:49 PM »
What would Luke Beveridge and Jason McCartney do ... ?
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Re: Rebuild vs Rearrange
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2016, 08:46:56 PM »
In a regular weekly radio slot, Balme said there would not be a complete rebuild, instead renewal could occur while a club remained competitive.

“You can’t afford to tell your people to take the next couple of years off, that we’re going to rebuild something, because everyone from Hawthorn to Essendon are rebuilding,” he told SEN 1116.

“You have to be rebuilding ­always. It is just a matter to what extent.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/neil-balme-warns-theres-no-quick-fix-for-tigers-woes/news-story/31a91f78e63733810b95225cb552eb97

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Re: Rebuild vs Rearrange
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2016, 09:30:18 PM »
In a regular weekly radio slot, Balme said there would not be a complete rebuild, instead renewal could occur while a club remained competitive.

“You can’t afford to tell your people to take the next couple of years off, that we’re going to rebuild something, because everyone from Hawthorn to Essendon are rebuilding,” he told SEN 1116.

“You have to be rebuilding ­always. It is just a matter to what extent.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/neil-balme-warns-theres-no-quick-fix-for-tigers-woes/news-story/31a91f78e63733810b95225cb552eb97

So sort of like a half step

FFS someone start up the sack Balme thread

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Re: Rebuild vs Rearrange
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2016, 11:54:07 AM »
Balme is right all clubs are in perpetual rebuild some more than others is the only difference.

The state of the list determines to what extent you approach the rebuild.In every single area of our list we lack quality and depth.
Our best 22 is probably competetive with most teams, just like most clubs best 22s  are.

Every one on this site has done the exercise of breaking the list down, I would say just about every poster has acknowledged we have a clear top 5 and then daylight.
Another problem is most of our juniors are clearly no better than most other teams kids in fact the concern here is also a lack of quality.
The mid tier well fmd just have to go yet they are actively giving these failures contract extensions.

As far as rebuilds go ours will have to be pretty full on for the next 3 or 4 seasons.
Looking at Just two of the areas below and it is lousy  but it rings true for all areas

Rucks - Hampson,Soldo  laughable situation.

KPF - Riewoldt then day light to an inconsistent and barley passable Griffiths. the rookie Chol who is another in a long line of RUCK/FWDS who will probably not be outstanding in either role..  last Elton who has been around what 5 seasons and done nothing. Serious questions has to be how hard would it be to upgrade the last 3. A rookie a bloke who has played few afl standard games over a long period  and a bloke who cant even get a game.  Are they or should they be the long term solution to our kpf problems or should we be actively looking for better.

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Re: Rebuild vs Rearrange
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2016, 07:32:39 PM »
So claw are you arguing for a rebuild from the bottom. Play kids for 3 years come last or there abouts and have 9 to 12 top 20 picks. To do that you need to trade out some of your top 5.

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Re: Rebuild vs Rearrange
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2016, 05:24:29 PM »
Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin
DIMMA - You will be held ACCOUNTABLE...

“We are really excited about what we have brought in. We have got great depth of players that can take us where we need to go. We are just putting some cream on the top at the moment,” he said.

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Re: Rebuild vs Rearrange
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2016, 05:44:38 PM »
Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin

Give it a rest mate
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Re: Rebuild vs Rearrange
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2016, 05:50:07 PM »
Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin

Give it a rest mate

It what the bloody threads about, total rebuild, rearrange was last year with the cream, get with it
« Last Edit: October 14, 2016, 06:15:19 PM by WilliamPowell »
DIMMA - You will be held ACCOUNTABLE...

“We are really excited about what we have brought in. We have got great depth of players that can take us where we need to go. We are just putting some cream on the top at the moment,” he said.

"Rucks:
Shaun Hampson is the No.1 man"

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Re: Rebuild vs Rearrange
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2016, 07:52:57 PM »
I'd prefer to trade out our entire list for picks and future picks.

Save cap space for when we are remotely close to top 4. Prestia will be finished by the time we are top 4 again IMO. Trading pick 6 for him would be a disaster.

If we trade Lids I'd prefer us to keep the pick than to on trade it to GC especially if it was a decent pick.


The idiots can't make money they can't manage a list.

Selling lids signing up every list blocker , very odd stategy.

Would of thought if we are selling lids might be worth bringing in more picks (b Ellis , Houli, conca) and or another star (jack for #1 and another first rounder or two)

Rebuilding ?

Re arranging?

Who knows half pregnant and nfi. Circus f c
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Re: Rebuild vs Rearrange
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2016, 07:57:25 PM »
Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin

Give it a rest mate

It what the bloody threads about, total rebuild, rearrange was last year with the cream, get with it

A lot of negative posting before trade week is even half done. And that's coming from me.

At least wait til the fact then make the call.
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Re: Rebuild vs Rearrange
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2016, 08:30:30 PM »
Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin

Give it a rest mate

It what the bloody threads about, total rebuild, rearrange was last year with the cream, get with it

A lot of negative posting before trade week is even half done. And that's coming from me.

At least wait til the fact then make the call.

Getting rid of McBean, Mckenzie, Lennon, lids who will kick goals?

Jacks move toward the wing looks stupider every day. The game plan is bizarre

Mismanagement of the cream , not a bakers bum hole is damien.
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Re: Rebuild vs Rearrange
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2016, 09:48:31 PM »
Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin

Give it a rest mate

It what the bloody threads about, total rebuild, rearrange was last year with the cream, get with it

A lot of negative posting before trade week is even half done. And that's coming from me.

At least wait til the fact then make the call.

Excellent post

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Re: Rebuild vs Rearrange
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2016, 09:55:43 PM »
Book it in, its on, the REBUILD!!!!! RFC Premiers 2025..... :snidegrin

Give it a rest mate

It what the bloody threads about, total rebuild, rearrange was last year with the cream, get with it

A lot of negative posting before trade week is even half done. And that's coming from me.

At least wait til the fact then make the call.

Excellent post

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