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Re: 11th December 2005
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2005, 09:51:15 PM »
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Put it the other way, would you give up your Australian identity if you went to another country.  I damn well wouldn't.  I'd probably try and learn the language, not to assimilate, but just to cope with daily life.


An example of what makes me upset is up in NSW, cant remember the name of the town but it has a high population of Vietnamese people. They are complaining and partition the local council to have the parking signs written in their language so that they dont get so many parking fines. These are people who have obtained an Australian licence, what a joke. If you are given an Australian licence then you should be required to be able to read and english so that you can obide by our road rules.
Bull, that would be Cabramatta.  Our company has one client there and it's an absolute sh1tfight trying to find parking no matter what your nationality. It's an absolute cop out. They all know they are doing the wrong thing. Most of the offences are for double parking!!! :banghead What sign would be of any use for this type of infringement?? Total crap I say! The answer to this issue is more parking spaces not different languages on the parking signs. 

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Re: 11th December 2005
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2005, 10:12:46 PM »
Sorry to double post but Razor, As I live up here I have follwed the Cronulla issue closely right from the first incident where the Lifesavers were assaulted. These are attacks by common thugs, lets not put a racial slant on this. The initial fracas was not anti Aussie, it was a bunch of thugs trying to impose their will on others. People began to perceive that it was racially motivated and the media were the worst offenders in doing this. Just because the majority of this group of thugs were of ethnic origin, doesn't mean that it was a racially motivated attack. Todays events disgusted me. Today it became racially motivated and it saddens me to see fellow Australians acting like that.
Can you imagine if a group of Aussie resident thugs overseas(and yes they do exist) decided to pick on some locals in another country and you got the mustard kicked out of you by revengeful locals just because you were of the same heritage? Well that is what happened today.

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Re: 11th December 2005
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2005, 10:42:30 PM »
The thing is, its not like the lifesavers being bashed was the sole cause of todays riots, it was the straw that broke the camels back, for the lack of a better term.

Tension had been building up for years, and the lifesavers being bashed was the trigger.

There are now UNCONFIRMED reports of groups of Lebanese people smashing and torching cars and that a tv camera crew has been bashed!

Like i said, today's riots were only the beginning!

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Re: 11th December 2005
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2005, 11:45:33 PM »
News report of man being stabbed outside a golf club after being confronted by a group of "mediterranean" appearance!

Also an unconfirmed report of Lebanese threatening to rape a group of women!

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Re: 11th December 2005
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2005, 07:58:21 AM »
Do you have a solution to this Razor?? You obviously seem to have the pulse the local community. I have been to Cronulla beach about 10 times last summer without incident. Sure, each time we went there were groups of youths in the carpark playing loud music in their cars but none of them threatened myself or my family. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, but if you look close enough and long enough at anything, you will always find the bad in it.

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Re: 11th December 2005
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2005, 12:50:40 PM »
Hopefully this day is marked down in history as the day us Aussies finally said enough's enough!

Couldn't be prouder to be an Australian today!

Proud?

What I saw yesterday on the news was a of group people who deemed themselves above the law and in the process they decided to stoop to the same level of cowardly thugs who bashed the lifeguards. 

I don't think it was a proud moment to see innocent people needing protection from the police because there were rocks, bottles and cans being thrown at them for no reason other than they looked a certain way. What had they done to deserve it? Be tarnished by the minority that hides behind whatever they decide to hang their hat at a given time whether it is their religion, colour or culture.

The 2 lifeguards were bashed by cowardly thugs: end of story. Their race, colour, creed and religion is not relevant – they are thugs pure and simple. They broke the law and they should be punished under the law. As should those yesterday who attacked the police and throw bottles at innocent Australians

How sad it was to watch groups from both sides who represent the minority undertaking the very behaviour that we’ve seen so many times on the news over the years that has appalled us.

The main offenders are Lebanese, Asians, Wogs and Turks.


Wogs? Exactly where do they come from?  The term “wog” went out in the early 1980’s and that’s where it should stay.  :banghead

Asians - all of them? Which ones? Chinese? Japanese, Phillipinos, Cambodians? Again generalisations

As for the other nationalities are you saying all of them? Or just the majority of people of those nationality? Either way you are making a generalisation. Lumping hundreds of thousands of people when only a small number are trouble makers is an insult to those who call this country home and have embraced it.



Sorry to double post but Razor, As I live up here I have follwed the Cronulla issue closely right from the first incident where the Lifesavers were assaulted. These are attacks by common thugs, lets not put a racial slant on this. The initial fracas was not anti Aussie, it was a bunch of thugs trying to impose their will on others. People began to perceive that it was racially motivated and the media were the worst offenders in doing this.

Good point tiga  :thumbsup Watching Skynews last night it was embarassing they were even running a poll on who was to blame - talk about fanning the flames


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Re: 11th December 2005
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2005, 01:07:26 PM »
WP - Go talk to some women who have been gangraped, or even sexually harassed by Lebo's over the past decade and tell them there isn't a problem!

Its funny how people keep assuming its a "minority", a lot of people aren't willing to speak up at the risk of being labelled a racist, but plenty of people are fed up with the government and police pandering to political correctness!

Look what happened last night, stabbings, bashings and wide spread vandalism by these people, but i guess there isn't a problem, is there WP?  :banghead

Its about bloody time us aussies stood up and let these Lebo's know that lifesavers being bashed, women being raped and harassed, disrespecting of our country and law and their insults and intimidation won't be tolerated any longer!

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Re: 11th December 2005
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2005, 01:42:47 PM »
WP - Go talk to some women who have been gangraped, or even sexually harassed by Lebo's over the past decade and tell them there isn't a problem!

Well guess what Razor you're talking to someone who about 12 years ago had their very expensive car vandalised by some young hoon with screwdriver who happened to a member on one of those ethnic groups you speak of. I didn't care that the young punk was ethnic all I cared about was the fact that someone had damaged my car - their race is irrelevant. Thugs, bullies and hoons are just that not matter what their background.

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Look what happened last night, stabbings, bashings and wide spread vandalism by these people, but i guess there isn't a problem, is there WP?  :banghead

Did I say there wasn't a problem Razor.

In actual fact we have a major problem.

It wasn't just last night let's get that straight. It started yesterday afternoon and continued into the night. Oops I forgot what happened yesterday afternoon was acceptable because it was carried out by "aussies". It's only the the law breaking by the others that is wrong here.

It cannot work that way Razor - they are all thugs and bullies but above all else they are cowards.

So I take from your final comment...

Its about bloody time us aussies stood up and let these Lebo's know ....

That you are talking about every single Lebonese person in Australia.

And that's where i have a major problem Razor - you are labelling over 100,000 people with the same brush of a few hundred and that's not fair on those who do the right thing
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Re: 11th December 2005
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2005, 01:59:04 PM »
Probably worded it poorly, "these lebo's" = The ones who involve themselves in gangs and participate in all the aformentioned activities.

Look the whole bottling of the cops and ambos was totally wrong no doubt about it, but, the reason for the protest is very clear and very true.

So i guess you simply find it all a coincedence that its "middle easterners" who are doing the bulk of the sexual harassing and assaulting of women, who are doing the gang rapes, who bash innocent people in groups of 10-15, who deal drugs etc etc?

We have similar problems here in Melbourne although on a far lower scale, and i don't know if the problems would ever get as extreme as it has in Sydney, but i think the potential is there.

The protest was a clear message to the governments and to the police, there is a SERIOUS problem in the Cronulla area, not only is the problem these Lebanese gangs and what they do, the other problem is the racism and hatred that has built up in the local Australian community, who have been waiting for YEARS and YEARS for the governments and the police to do something, they have done nothing, and now you have a ton of racial tension and anger.

Its not just a simple "Lebo" problem now, you've got two sides who, for the lack of a better term, are going to be "at war".

Multiculturalism at its finest!  :banghead


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Re: 11th December 2005
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2005, 04:13:02 PM »
I blame the people who are responsible for not letting some schools celebrate christmas around australia incase it offends those who dont.

I blame those for not letting children sit on santas lap although his or her parents are standing 2 metres away.

I blame those for not letting santa say ho ho ho anymore incase it offends some women.


To me it's a clear message that society is crying out that all it wants to do is celebrate xmas and have a festive season !!!
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Re: 11th December 2005
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2005, 04:37:18 PM »
Then your blaming Political Correctness!

Be careful though, if you disagree with them you'll be labelled a racist, like everyone else!  ;)

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Re: 11th December 2005
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2005, 04:56:54 PM »
Since when was hoping one day that people would treat other people the way they would like to be treated themselves political correctness?

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Be careful though, if you disagree with them you'll be labelled a racist, like everyone else! 

I called you irrational, not a racist lol

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Re: 11th December 2005
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2005, 05:20:57 PM »
LOL, you've got nothing on some of those Political Correctness folk, trust me!  ;)

I have dealt with some of the most extreme PC people you will ever see, and the way they work is simple, if you don't accept multiculuralism in its entirety, that includes allowing minority groups to do WHATEVER they want, then you are automiatically branded a racist!

Trust me, im not overreacting either!

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Re: 11th December 2005
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2005, 05:32:28 PM »
Look what happened last night, stabbings, bashings and wide spread vandalism by these people, but i guess there isn't a problem, is there WP?  :banghead
Did you see the woman last night who was attacked with a baseball bat by these heroes on the news tonight?
Did you see all the smashed cars in the street.

I don't know who did it, whether they were Aussies or Lebanese - but what i see in you is someone who can't see that there are problems on both sides of the debate.  Nobody here is condoning the actions of a small group of Lebanese, and I'm not blaming every Australian who was there last night for the violence.  I think it's the adage that two wrongs don't make a right, especially in this situation.  And people going out and saying there was 5000 there tonight and probably 10,000 the next are just fuelling hatred and trying to destroy what the majority of us believe is a pretty decent place to live - well, it's the best place IMO.

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No, perish the thought if you did lol


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Re: 11th December 2005
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2005, 05:35:27 PM »
All of the stuff which was shown on the news tonight was absolutely disgraceful. Not just from the Lebonese or middle eastern community but also what the Aussies did yesterday.

While i do get annoyed with things other nationalities do at times, this is not even close to the path on which to resolve these issues.

Hoefully it doesnt get to a point where people and in particular innocent people lose their lives coz of this.

Running through streets, trashing cars, hitting people with baseball bats etc etc is as they say cowardly.

I am sure that this rubbish will continue for a while as most of the people involved are probably too stupid to realise they are doing the wrong thing.