Rumoured leadership group - Cotch (c), Rance, Titch, Jack (H-Sun)

[big tone]

Does anyone actually think the captain and the leadership aren't picked yet?

This is what I dislike about this club- it's so dishonest.
Why lie about it??

The other thing that doesn't add up is he says the players will have a huge say on the leadership group this year insinuating that they haven't before. But WP knows 3 people that have told him different about previous years. 

WP I would love to hear your thoughts on that.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Does anyone actually think the captain and the leadership aren't picked yet?

This is what I dislike about this club- it's so dishonest.
Why lie about it??

The other thing that doesn't add up is he says the player will have a huge say on the leadership group this year insinuating that they haven't before. But WP knows 3 people that have told him different about previous years. 

WP I would love to hear your thoughts on that.

The huge say they have is Balme reinforcing they still have SOME say. The coaches and he (as general manager) will have a bigger say than they've had in the past.

[big tone]

Does anyone actually think the captain and the leadership aren't picked yet?

This is what I dislike about this club- it's so dishonest.
Why lie about it??

The other thing that doesn't add up is he says the player will have a huge say on the leadership group this year insinuating that they haven't before. But WP knows 3 people that have told him different about previous years. 

WP I would love to hear your thoughts on that.

The huge say they have is Balme reinforcing they still have SOME say. The coaches and he (as general manager) will have a bigger say than they've had in the past.

Didn't you agree with WP the other day saying the players picked the captain and the leadership group by way of a vote. And also said the club wouldn't risk just picking who they wanted in stead as the players talk and would be suspicious?? Now it seems you are saying the opposite.
Which is it?

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Does anyone actually think the captain and the leadership aren't picked yet?

This is what I dislike about this club- it's so dishonest.
Why lie about it??

The other thing that doesn't add up is he says the player will have a huge say on the leadership group this year insinuating that they haven't before. But WP knows 3 people that have told him different about previous years. 

WP I would love to hear your thoughts on that.

The huge say they have is Balme reinforcing they still have SOME say. The coaches and he (as general manager) will have a bigger say than they've had in the past.

Didn't you agree with WP the other day saying the players picked the captain and the leadership group by way of a vote. And also said the club wouldn't risk just picking who they wanted in stead as the players talk and would be suspicious?? Now it seems you are saying the opposite.
Which is it?

I've been consistent. I said that in the past the players voted and they had sway. It has changed this year with the FD having more of a say.

[big tone]

I have to disagree with you big tone. I know nobody knows what really happens but there are a few points that indicate that what you say is very unlikely.

Firstly, why would the club go through the charade of having a players vote only to veto the whole process and have the coach and coaching group select the leadership group? Why not just say that the coach and coaching group will select the leadership group and just leave it at that?

Secondly, don't you think that the players would get suspicious? Wouldn't you think that many of them talk with one another about their thoughts? If several of them said to each other they picked Jack and he wasn't selected, wouldn't you think that eventually that would get out? The damage that would create would be enormous. Why would the club take the chance?

Still think are have been consistent?

[YellowandBlackBlood]

I have to disagree with you big tone. I know nobody knows what really happens but there are a few points that indicate that what you say is very unlikely.

Firstly, why would the club go through the charade of having a players vote only to veto the whole process and have the coach and coaching group select the leadership group? Why not just say that the coach and coaching group will select the leadership group and just leave it at that?

Secondly, don't you think that the players would get suspicious? Wouldn't you think that many of them talk with one another about their thoughts? If several of them said to each other they picked Jack and he wasn't selected, wouldn't you think that eventually that would get out? The damage that would create would be enormous. Why would the club take the chance?

Still think are have been consistent?

?

Very. Where have I not been? Above shows that I believed the players had the majority of the power in the past years. Now I am saying the FD will have more of a say. I don't quite understand what you think you are seeing.

[big tone]

I have to disagree with you big tone. I know nobody knows what really happens but there are a few points that indicate that what you say is very unlikely.

Firstly, why would the club go through the charade of having a players vote only to veto the whole process and have the coach and coaching group select the leadership group? Why not just say that the coach and coaching group will select the leadership group and just leave it at that?

Secondly, don't you think that the players would get suspicious? Wouldn't you think that many of them talk with one another about their thoughts? If several of them said to each other they picked Jack and he wasn't selected, wouldn't you think that eventually that would get out? The damage that would create would be enormous. Why would the club take the chance?

Still think are have been consistent?

?

Very. Where have I not been? Above shows that I believed the players had the majority of the power in the past years. Now I am saying the FD will have more of a say. I don't quite understand what you think you are seeing.

What I'm seeing is an artical saying the players will have a HUGE SAY THIS YEAR on who is in the leadership group, basically saying they haven't before. Which is what I think happens. Otherwise why say it!! Or are you saying Neil Balme is talking poo??
You have stated that the players vote every year and the vote is final and if the coach was to veto their decision on who is in the leadership group, the players would get suspicious as they all talk. Is that not what you said on the 12th of Feb??

The whole point is, I don't think the players had much of a say in the past on who was captain or who was in the leadership group. BUT THIS YEAR, as Balme said, they will.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

I have to disagree with you big tone. I know nobody knows what really happens but there are a few points that indicate that what you say is very unlikely.

Firstly, why would the club go through the charade of having a players vote only to veto the whole process and have the coach and coaching group select the leadership group? Why not just say that the coach and coaching group will select the leadership group and just leave it at that?

Secondly, don't you think that the players would get suspicious? Wouldn't you think that many of them talk with one another about their thoughts? If several of them said to each other they picked Jack and he wasn't selected, wouldn't you think that eventually that would get out? The damage that would create would be enormous. Why would the club take the chance?

Still think are have been consistent?

?

Very. Where have I not been? Above shows that I believed the players had the majority of the power in the past years. Now I am saying the FD will have more of a say. I don't quite understand what you think you are seeing.

What I'm seeing is an artical saying the players will have a HUGE SAY THIS YEAR on who is in the leadership group, basically saying they haven't before. Which is what I think happens. Otherwise why say it!! Or are you saying Neil Balme is talking poo??
You have stated that the players vote every year and the vote is final and if the coach was to veto their decision on who is in the leadership group, the players would get suspicious as they all talk. Is that not what you said on the 12th of Feb??

The whole point is, I don't think the players had much of a say in the past on who was captain or who was in the leadership group. BUT THIS YEAR, as Balme said, they will.

It's actually the opposite. I got that from someone employed at the club.

[Chuck17]

Welllllllllllll that's that then

[one-eyed]

Ch 7 news tonight said Richmond's leadership group will be announced in the next few days with Cotch expected to remain captain.

[🏅Dooks]

Cotch has shown his onfield leadership qualities after getting 2 kicks against Collingwood in the first quarter.

Well done Richmond. Well done

#weareonaroadtonowhere

[one-eyed]

Selflessness gives Jack leadership chance: Cotchin

AFL.com.au
March 16, 2017

RICHMOND star Jack Riewoldt has given himself a greater chance of re-joining the Tigers' leadership group through his increase in selfless acts and care for younger players, captain Trent Cotchin says.

The Tigers have refused to be rushed into an announcement on their leaders in 2017 but the club has indicated Riewoldt is "a decent chance" to be given an official role for the first time since 2013.

Cotchin, who said he was skipper "until I'm told otherwise" at Captains' Day on Thursday, believed there had been growth in Riewoldt in recent seasons that made him better equipped to be a leader.

"He just wants to win and you want to play with guys who want to win … it's about finding the balance of the way he acts and shows that," Cotchin said.

"He's done a lot of work over the last couple of years, and his selfless acts have increased far greater than what they have been in the past.

"He's a fantastic person and I think we've seen so much growth with what you see on-field and what you see off-field.

"The reality is we all have flaws in the way we lead – me included – and we're working on those all the time."

Richmond is the only club yet to announce its leadership group, one week out from its season-opening clash against Carlton at the MCG on March 23.

New head of football Neil Balme said the club would not set its timetable for an announcement to suit the media's "insatiable appetite for meaningless news".

"We need to spend our time making a good decision," Balme told SEN on Thursday morning.

"We can either rush it and suit you guys (the media) and get it wrong or we can take whatever time it needs and get it right."

Balme said Cotchin was more than likely to lead the Tigers again, while Riewoldt was "a decent chance" of promotion back into the group.

Cotchin said the off-season changes at the club – including the appointment of leadership facilitator Shane McCurry – had contributed to the delay in formulating a new leadership group.

The Tigers have also welcomed Balme as new head of football and new coaches in Justin Leppitsch, Blake Caracella and Xavier Clarke.

McCurry has facilitated the leadership voting process, which Cotchin said was yet to be completed.

"He's been good … he's another new person who's got fresh ideas," the skipper said.

"He'll be a great facilitator, he's got good ideas, and I'm not going to go into too much depth about what he's offering, because it's our stuff."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-16/riewoldts-selflessness-give-him-a-leadership-chance-says-cotchin

[one-eyed]

Balme defends Tigers’ leadership delay

Herald Sun
March 16, 2017

NEIL Balme says Richmond will announce its leadership group when the club is ready.

The Tigers football boss also slammed today’s captains’ day as a “waste of time”, which skipper Trent Cotchin attended.

Cotchin is expected to be named captain for a fifth straight season, but with seven days until their season opener against Carlton they are the only club yet to confirm their leaders for 2017.

After Geelong and Collingwood announced their leadership teams this week, Balme said the Tigers would not be rushed into making an announcement.

“We haven’t set our timetable up to suit your (the media’s) insatiable appetite for meaningless news. That’s our problem, obviously,” Balme told SEN radio on Thursday morning.

“I don’t think it is late. What is the timetable? Who has got that? Didn’t Geelong name theirs yesterday (Wednesday night) and Collingwood the day before?

“We need to spend our time making a good decision. We can either rush it and suit you guys and get it wrong or we can take whatever time it needs and get it right. What do you want me to do?”

Balme questioned the relevance of the annual captains’ event.

“We aren’t responsible for the fact the AFL calls the captains’ day, which is the greatest waste of a day in the history of footy I reckon,” he said.

“Wouldn’t they (the captains) be better off down at training?”

Balme said Cotchin was “more than likely” to lead Richmond again this year.

There is also speculation star forward Jack Riewoldt will return to the leadership group after he was dumped in 2014.

Recruit Dion Prestia hinted last month there would be little change to Richmond’s five-man leadership team from 2016, which consisted of Cotchin, Ivan Maric, Alex Rance, Shane Edwards and Brett Deledio, who is now at Greater Western Sydney.

Balme said Riewoldt was a “decent chance” of a leadership promotion.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/neil-balme-defends-richmonds-leadership-delay-slams-captains-day-as-a-waste-of-time/news-story/200c8dab824d2a665d7d05a7ccabc6ae

[Chuck17]

Just a question for the wise ones; if the captain and leadership group has already been long determined why are the RFC not announcing it?

[Francois Jackson]

Great move by the club. Jack should never have been taken out.

Edwards gtfo