Shane Tuck [merged]

[tiger till i die]

what is problem with Tuck his stats say other wise SO why not have him play?... i can understand why we don't want Jordan to play

But Bring back Tuck .. he is the only one who can bomb it down the centre with confidence like his farther

[torch]

because they will not be on our list in 2011!

and Hardwick would see them as "Holding Up The Development" of other players!

good job Hardwick, DON'T PLAY THEM!

i would rather see Collins, White, Contin play in the midfield and Webberley, Dea, Grimes playing across the half back line!

 

[tiger till i die]

your think White is better than Tuck? .. then why have cuzzy play if  you want youngies to play? i wanna see tigers win games not see young guys getting the Eff beaten out of them. i Agree they need too learn But they Also now need to learn how to win. and maby next year after we have only won 2 or 3 games Players will be like were going NO were and leave to join GWS or GC17

Play youngsters .. but also play senior players to win games to get Fans hopes up and the Young players

[Tigermonk]

regardless what Ben Cousins does off the football field.  l do care cause l want him out on the field. so pull ya head in Ben

His onfield leadership & experience is second to none. His football speaks for itself  & he should do everything possible to keep himself out on the field away from speculations & helping the young cubs on the ground
You wont see many better footballers than him in his era
l for one want to have Cousins around the players cause they can learn lots about the game from him.
Just his presence onfield brings players into the game & the sooner they adapt to his style or create something of thier own which l'm sure he could adapt to anything they bring into a game plan,  than his a required player IMV

l think a half forward line position for 2 years would be the best posssible way to use Ben & prolong his career & have him kicking goals to lift the confidence of the playing group & the supporters

[Ramps]

regardless what Ben Cousins does off the football field.  l do care cause l want him out on the field. so pull ya head in Ben

His onfield leadership & experience is second to none. His football speaks for itself  & he should do everything possible to keep himself out on the field away from speculations & helping the young cubs on the ground
You wont see many better footballers than him in his era
l for one want to have Cousins around the players cause they can learn lots about the game from him.
Just his presence onfield brings players into the game & the sooner they adapt to his style or create something of thier own which l'm sure he could adapt to anything they bring into a game plan,  than his a required player IMV

l think a half forward line position for 2 years would be the best posssible way to use Ben & prolong his career & have him kicking goals to lift the confidence of the playing group & the supporters

agree

[Penelope]

In an interview Hardwick was asked about tuck and responded something about having things to work on, which he is, as do many others.

So if tuck has been told what he needs to work on and he does this to a level that Hardwick wants, Im sure he'll play him.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Hardwick is just itching for Tuck to address whatever he has been asked to, because as a mature bodied hard nosed player he will bring exactly what Hardwick wants to the side now, if he can play as hardwick instructs.

Personally I'd have Tuck in the side before Jackson as I'd back him to deliver the ball better than Jacko.

Talk that he shouldn't get a game because he  wont be part of our next premiership is crazy. For a start know one knows when that will be, but as players such as cousins and Simmonds definitely wont be either and  Hardwick still plays them so I'd guess that that is not really a consideration. (In fact going on the clubs history over the last 28 years you could easily argue that not one single player on the list will play in the clubs next premiership and a lot of us wont be around to see it. )

There's probably a number of players in the side at the moment who do the defensive work or whatever as Hardwick asks and they are being given enough time to show whether they have what it takes to play at this level. If players such as King, Nahas, Hislop, Thompson, Edwards play the first half dozen or more games and then are dropped, my guess would be that they will have a line drawn through their names.

As a new coach everyone should start with a clean slate and to draw a line through players names without even giving them a chance would be bereft of the coaching staff.

[jackstar is back again]

with a new coach , EVERYONE should start from scratch.
Players need to earn there position.
If not, you are trouble.
And we have trouble..
Cant reward players for ordinary performances
The way we are going, we will in future play all our games at 4.40pm on a Sunday night

[Tigermonk]

with a new coach , EVERYONE should start from scratch.
Players need to earn there position.
If not, you are trouble.
And we have trouble..
Cant reward players for ordinary performances
The way we are going, we will in future play all our games at 4.40pm on a Sunday night

That will mean l will have to make up with Joffa  or Just plain take his spot

[eliminator]

I agree with Owl but regardless of your position on Tuck it is important for the morale of the team that it is competitive. The senior players need to instill in the younger players the importance of being competitive. Also sponsors are not going to invest in a team that is not consistently competitive. I reckon it boils down which is more important this year being competitive or getting enough games into the young players. One would think that you could still be competitive and get games into the young players but may not. What do people think.

[HD]

If Hardwick says Tuck has things to work on the only way for him to get a game should be if he satisfies Hardwick he has worked sufficiently on those issues and shows that with Coburg. The advantage, I guess, for the young players on our list is that all their deficiencies have not been previously exposed, hence they get games with the senior side in a year like this to find those deficiencies.

If Tuck fixes his known deficiencies he gets back in the seniors, if not it's goodbye at the end of 2010. For youngsters, if a deficiency is found they should be given a similar treatment - back to Coburg to fix it then you can come back to seniors when it's fixed and if that takes 12 months so be it. It seems so simple but we have, in the past, persisted with players in our senior side who have obvious deficiencies (Nick Daffy, Mark Chaffey, Ray Hall, Darren Gaspar, Pat Bowden the list goes on and on and on.........and on) instead of forcing them to fix those problems when first identified in order to remain a player in the senior side.

Hopefully Hardwick starts a new trend at Tigerland of "accountability for your own inability"............^tm

[mightytiges]

There was reason Tuck was trade bait and a reason no other club wanted him ..... too slow (especially lacks acceleration), lacks defensive accountability, lacks vision and just plonks the ball on his foot anyhow to bomb it forward. At 27 winning the hard ball isn't enough anymore with that many other flaws. Maybe he could provide a chop out for Jack and Morton in the forward line but again he's just a stopgap measure.

You've got to love the media. They now bag us for not playing Tuck and even more laughable Jordie yet they would cry same old Richmond going for the quick fix if we did play them  . 

[Penelope]

Hopefully that is the case hadynd.

It looks like tuck is in for thompson, V the swans, as they play similar games.

Lets see how many unforced errors he actually makes.

The other day against the dogs Deledio got a quick kick out the center under pressure. I think it was Lake who ran and took and easy chest mark about 10 meters clear of his opponent. That wasn't Deledios fault, the forward should have been playing in front and read the play better.

Yet if Tuck does that he gets bagged for throwing the ball on his boot without looking.

[mightytiges]

Yet if Tuck does that he gets bagged for throwing the ball on his boot without looking.

The difference though al is Tucky does it even when under no physical pressure. It's 70s/80s footy (although that may not be a bad thing on the smaller SCG).

He's not the only one either who kicks blindly. When we take a mark or free on one side of the ground particularly defensive side of the centre we have too many players who lazily and/or stupidly kick 'down the line' straight into the hands of the oppositon rather than quickly switching the play to a free man on the open side as soon as they get the ball.

[Penelope]

I think sometimes players feel pressure when there is none, probably due to being under pressure most other times they get the ball.

Having those around the man in possession talking would hopefully help there, as would continually drilling in the game plan, so certain acts start to become second nature.

If Tuck actually settles before he kicks, he's not as bad as what a lot of people make out.

[Infamy]

I hope he spends a large part of his TOG in the forward line with a few stints in the midfield to releive some of the work load off the kids.