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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2021, 08:54:22 PM »
30 concussions lol give me a break

This guy has a case of the sads because he was a spud and didn't make it

Probably the dumbest thing I've read on this site. The guy could play and if you knew him or the true extent of his injuries you wouldn't be bagging him. 30 concussions I find somewhat hard to believe but he was not looked after at all.
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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2021, 10:01:36 PM »
This medical liability stuff is very unsettling.

Naturally we defend the clubs and AFL because of the lack of awareness and understanding. I can't see how anyone can be liable about concussions when the education on it wasnt what it was now.

As for Ty it seems if you throw enough poo around eventually some will stick.
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« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2021, 11:09:04 PM »
Then he went and played for club aftet club in various leagues after Richmond. How many clubs was it 12 or something. Passed fit to plsy at all those clubs. How many hits did he take playing at all thosr clubs.

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« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2021, 07:56:38 AM »
This medical liability stuff is very unsettling.

Naturally we defend the clubs and AFL because of the lack of awareness and understanding. I can't see how anyone can be liable about concussions when the education on it wasnt what it was now.

As for Ty it seems if you throw enough poo around eventually some will stick.

Defend the AFL mate? Maybe your getting confused with another site. It’s a shame as it’s those bastards who should be sued, not the club. After all, it’s they who set the guidance on how the game is played.

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« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2021, 10:37:04 AM »
This medical liability stuff is very unsettling.

Naturally we defend the clubs and AFL because of the lack of awareness and understanding. I can't see how anyone can be liable about concussions when the education on it wasnt what it was now.

As for Ty it seems if you throw enough poo around eventually some will stick.

Defend the AFL mate? Maybe your getting confused with another site. It’s a shame as it’s those bastards who should be sued, not the club. After all, it’s they who set the guidance on how the game is played.

Defend it - in that this has the potential to absolutely cripple the game. How many other past footballers have played on after a concussion. Be hundreds of lawsuits popping up cause some idiot lawyer has tapped up ex footballers and families for a pay day and exposure.
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« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2021, 08:48:24 AM »
Don’t really care about the impact on the AFL, after what blokes like Hocking has done over the last few years.

If there is a claim to be made then so what. Pay out those who deserve it. It’s actually that simple and is the right thing to do.

What happens to the competition matters little, especially when you have such a corrupt organisation like the AFL going around. If it’s the RFC that has to pay out, which I hope it isn’t then the same logic applies if determined by the courts.

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Re: Ex-Tiger Ty Zantuck’s damages claim [merged]
« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2021, 05:41:39 AM »
AFL subpoenaed in former Tiger’s injury case

Jon Pierik
The Age
November 21, 2021


Former Richmond footballer Ty Zantuck is seeking documents and footage from the AFL as part of his injury case against the Richmond Football Club.

The Age last month revealed Zantuck was pushing to have his physical injury case extended to include a range of neurological disorders and several suicide attempts he claims are related to the concussions and head knocks he had on the football field while playing 68 matches for the Tigers between 2000 and 2004.

Zantuck, who also played a further nine games at AFL level with Essendon in 2005, is suing the Tigers and club doctor Greg Hickey, former club doctor Chris Bradshaw, and another doctor, Vincent Healey, in the Victorian Supreme Court. The Tigers and doctors deny the original orthopaedic claims.

Late last month, Zantuck’s lawyer Greg Griffin issued a notice of discovery against the Tigers and the doctors. Griffin this month has issued a subpoena to five parties - the AFL, the Seven Network, surgeon and associate professor Alfred Nastri (who conducted surgery on Zantuck), Tom Gastin from the AFL Doctors Association, and the National Health and Medical Research Council.

Through the AFL, Griffin is seeking footage of all AFL and VFL matches Zantuck played in seasons 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004. He had also subpoenaed Seven, but that was pulled, given it was Ten, Nine, and Foxtel which shared the AFL broadcast rights between 2002-04.

The AFL has been asked to provide all records it has from Richmond detailing concussions any Tiger had through that same period. Griffin also wants all copies of the AFL regulations from 2000 to 2004. The AFL was contacted for comment.

The AFL has also been asked to hand over any “records relating to any process the AFL commenced or participated in to advocate for the rescission of the National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) publications, Football Injuries of the Head and Neck published in 1994, and Head and Neck Injuries in Football: Guidelines for prevention and management published in 1995, including all materials relevant to how the AFL promoted to the constituent AFL clubs in the period from 1995 to 2004”.

Griffin also wants all submissions to the NHMRC, relating to the NHMRC publications, by Dr Paul McCrory on behalf of the AFL.

McCrory, a neurologist who was once closely aligned to the league, has played down the impacts of repeated head knocks, including questioning research that found a link between repetitive head injury and neurodegenerative disease.

Griffin has also sought all records of “meetings between Dr McCrory and any person working for the AFL, including telephone notes, emails and facsimiles to Ian Denley, Health Advisory Section NHMRC, Florence Adofo-Kissi and Mrs Cathy Clutton, Acting Executive Director of Centre for Health Advice, Policy and Ethics”.

Nastri has been told to provide details on how long he advised Zantuck to avoid training or playing after surgery.

Gaston, of the AFL Doctors Association, has been asked to provide the guidelines for the management of concussion from 1983 to 2004.

Griffin’s bid to amend the original statement of claim and seek an extension of time had been due to be held on Wednesday. But Griffin said on Friday it had been adjourned for argument in February.

The Supreme Court said mediation between the Tigers and Zantuck has been slated for March 25. If that fails, a trial has been set for August 1.

Zantuck alleges the Tigers were negligent and breached their duty of care in the treatment of a back injury that he claims left him permanently injured, depressed, and prompted him to attempt suicide. The Tigers and the three doctors have all denied the original orthopaedic claims made by Zantuck, who claims the back injury, the fallout from it, and the impact of the epidural injections left him medically unfit to train and play AFL football.

Griffin and his team have already analysed footage of many of Zantuck’s matches, alleging the serious knocks they believe he had in round 21, 2002, round one, 2003, and round 12, 2003 have contributed to what they claim is his mental deterioration.

Dr Rowena Mobbs, a consultant neurologist, has compiled Zantuck’s detailed medical history, which is included in Griffin’s updated statement of claim.

In summary, it is claimed he suffers severe back and neck pain, chronic pain syndrome, major depressive disorder “with co-morbid anxiety and a history of suicide attempts”, post-traumatic stress disorder, and a range of neurological disorders.

Zantuck says he suffered back spasms, was diagnosed with a slipped disc, and was injected with local anaesthetic. He claims he had between 15 and 20 epidural injections during the 2003 and 2004 seasons.

Griffin is also acting for the wife of Shane Tuck, the former Tiger whose death is the subject of a coronial inquiry. Tuck, also a former boxer, took his own life in July 2020 and was found to have severe CTE when his brain was examined by the Australian Sports Brain Bank.

Tigers’ chief executive Brendon Gale has defended the medical care Tuck received during his 10 years as a senior player at the club between 2004-2013.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-subpoenaed-in-former-tiger-s-injury-case-20211119-p59aac.html

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Re: Ex-Tiger Ty Zantuck’s damages claim [merged]
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2021, 09:21:03 AM »
Epidural injections to enable playing and training? That's absurd. Local anaesthetic I can understand but epidural surely not.

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Re: Ex-Tiger Ty Zantuck’s damages claim [merged]
« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2022, 04:02:41 PM »
Zantuck drops claim against doctor in injury case

Jon Pierik
The Age
March 26, 2022


Former Richmond footballer Ty Zantuck has amended his statement of claim in his court case against the Tigers, alleging negligence in their treatment of his back injury which left him depressed and with suicidal thoughts.

Zantuck, who played 68 games for the Tigers across five seasons between 2000-04 and a further nine games for Essendon in 2005, is suing Richmond and club doctor Greg Hickey and former club doctor Chris Bradshaw, in the Victorian Supreme Court.

However, in a revised claim lodged with the court this month, Zantuck has dropped his case against another doctor, Vincent Healey, who Zantuck, in his original writ, said had given him injections at Victoria House – a medical clinic used by AFL clubs.

The Tigers and doctors have denied the orthopaedic claims made in the original writ. The Tigers did not wish to comment when contacted about the updated writ nor about Zantuck’s neurological claims.

This came as Zantuck’s lawyer Greg Griffin prepares to again head to court on Thursday to push for an extension of time, arguing there had been delays in attaining the medical report he needed.

“We need an extension of time because by the time we were instructed, the period by which time proceedings had to be instituted under the rules, had expired some years before,” Griffin told The Age.

Another hearing involving the AFL and the AFL Doctors Association, each is a non-party to the litigation, are represented by lawyers from DLA Piper, and do not want to act on Griffin’s subpoena requesting information, has been adjourned until May 13.

Zantuck’s claims begin with a debilitating back injury, which he claims led to between 15 and 20 epidural injections to ease the pain. He argues the Tigers failed their duty of care and this had left him incapable of earning an income from “personal exertion”, depressed and prompted him to attempt suicide.

He also claims he suffered up to 30 concussions – of which he has presented footage of five incidents – which he says have led to a range of neurological disorders.

Griffin says Zantuck is suffering from traumatic encephalopathy syndrome, “being the in-life correlate of chronic traumatic encephalopathy”.

CTE, derived from brain trauma, including repeated concussions, can only be diagnosed posthumously although that may change within five years through new blood testing.

Zantuck was diagnosed with a bulging disc and two stress fractures in his back in late 2001 as a result of a weight-training and running program. A fortnight later, he claims he was given no choice but to attend the Tigers’ pre-season training camp in the Grampians. He said he was made to wear a heavy backpack “for lengthy times”, despite asking medical staff for an exemption.

Zantuck, in his writ, claims the Tigers’ medical staff were excluded from the week-long trip in what he argues was a “supervision breach”.

When the new season began, Zantuck said he had regular injections to ease the pain, then was told to have epidural injections at Victoria House. These were done, according to the court documents, by Healey. Bradshaw and Hickey then provided Zantuck with medical clearance to play after the injections, according to the writ.

Griffin, in the writ, argues Zantuck was not warned about the risks of epidural injections and the dangers of playing with a bad back and this contributed to his client’s football career being cut short.

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CORRECTION: In an earlier version of this story it was reported that judge Mary-Jane Ierodiaconou had ordered former Richmond footballer Ty Zantuck to pay the costs of former defendant Dr Vincent Healey. A subsequent legal document has confirmed no costs were ordered. The case continues.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/zantuck-drops-claim-against-doctor-in-injury-case-20220325-p5a7to.html

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Re: Ex-Tiger Ty Zantuck’s damages claim [merged]
« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2022, 04:02:53 PM »
Zantuck says Tigers failed on head injury

Liz Hobday
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March 31, 2022 1:25PM


Former Richmond hardman Ty Zantuck claims the AFL club didn't have a system for properly managing head injuries, leaving him with suspected brain degeneration from repeated concussions.

Zantuck, who was drafted in 2000 and played with the Tigers until 2004, is suing the club over a chronic and debilitating back injury but has broadened his claim to include the effects of on-field concussions.

He says he's been left with severe back and neck pain, a major depressive disorder, anxiety and post-traumatic stress disorder.

He has a history of suicide attempts and wants damages for permanent loss of earnings.

Richmond allowed Zantuck to train and play with unhealed concussions, significantly worsening the effects of fresh head injuries and leading to suspected chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), his lawyer told Victoria's Supreme Court on Thursday.

Zantuck's legal team looked through old videos of his games in late 2021, noticing he seemed dazed and slow to get to his feet after knocks to the head.

He then consulted specialist doctors and was diagnosed with suspected CTE, a progressive and fatal brain disease. It can only be confirmed after death.

"The state of science and medical knowledge at time he was playing meant the club had a duty of care to take reasonable steps to avoid cumulative damage associated with repeated concussion injuries," Zantuck's lawyer, Lachlan Armstrong QC, told the court.

Thursday's hearing is set to determine whether it is too late for Zantuck to expand his claim with new evidence addressing the effects of his head injuries.

Lawyers for the Richmond Football Club said they had not had time to respond to more than 150 pages of new material.

In his earlier claim, Zantuck said he was diagnosed with a back injury stemming from the club's weight training and running program in December 2001 or January 2002 and sought a dispensation from attending a training camp in the Grampians.

The week-long camp included daily hikes with a 30kg backpack. The dispensation was refused, but Zantuck was allowed to carry a 15kg pack.

It's alleged that when pre-season training began, he collapsed in pain suffering sudden back spasms during the first session.

Zantuck was diagnosed with a slipped disk on top of his earlier injuries, and he was injected with local anaesthetic on training and game days to get through matches in early 2002.

When that stopped working he was received 15 to 20 epidural injections in the 2003 and 2004 seasons, allegedly administered by former club doctor Chris Bradshaw and current doctor Greg Hickey, who are also named in the lawsuit.

The defender played 68 games for the Tigers between 2000-2004, and another nine games for Essendon in 2005.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/crime/zantuck-says-tigers-failed-on-head-injury-c-6273333

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« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2022, 08:23:28 PM »
And then he went played footy all over the countryside
 Did he go boxing as well or was that just Tucky.

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« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2022, 08:26:12 PM »
No boxing for Zanners. Not in a ring anyway
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« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2022, 08:31:55 PM »
Not hard to see why the recruitment policy changed to include a players character

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« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2022, 09:44:47 PM »
Didn’t his old man Shane get millions when he sold off the Sportsco company?

Isn’t it strange he only wants to sue Richmond but continued his footy career with other clubs despite having a had a debilitating back condition that couldn’t allow him to even train and allegedly was subject to 30 concussions whilst playing for Richmond?   

How does he remember so much details if he had 30 concussions?

Too many holes in this story.
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« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2022, 10:00:47 PM »
Not hard to see why the recruitment policy changed to include a players character
good to see a guy who played injured and was one of very few half decent players we had back then get slagged off . Probably the hardest player we had at the time  :lol
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