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Offline WilliamPowell

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Re: Cricket thread
« Reply #210 on: January 17, 2021, 05:54:29 PM »
Serious question as I'm interested on people's view

But what are folk's opinion of Nathan Lyon. He's nicknamed "The Goat", this test is his 100th, he's taken 397 wickets

But yet again when we need him to bowl out a tail he's MIA

Didn't do the job required in Sydney. Last Ashes series in the UK except for the 1st Test failed to mop up the tail in the 2nd innings in maost tests

He's been average again today, hasn't looked threatening at all  :-\

So how do people rate him?
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Re: Cricket thread
« Reply #211 on: January 17, 2021, 06:55:57 PM »
India 336 ........ Hazlewood 5/57.

Aussies 0/21 at stumps. Warner 20* & Harris 1*. A lead of 54 runs.

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Re: Cricket thread
« Reply #212 on: January 17, 2021, 07:29:19 PM »
Quote from: Andyy on January 16, 2021, 08:46:05 PM
Going to be hard to take 18 wickets + bat again with only 9 sessions to go.
Especially hard to get wickets when we don't bowl at the stumps to the Indian tail :banghead. I can only remember one yorker too and that was right at the end. When we get to their tail we seem more interested in trying to intimidate them than getting them out.

It doesn't help either that Paine is the anti-DRS and dropped another catch:
https://twitter.com/cricketcomau/status/1350677905609658370

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Quote from: WilliamPowell on January 17, 2021, 05:54:29 PM
Serious question as I'm interested on people's view

But what are folk's opinion of Nathan Lyon. He's nicknamed "The Goat", this test is his 100th, he's taken 397 wickets

But yet again when we need him to bowl out a tail he's MIA

Didn't do the job required in Sydney. Last Ashes series in the UK except for the 1st Test failed to mop up the tail in the 2nd innings in maost tests

He's been average again today, hasn't looked threatening at all  :-\

So how do people rate him?
IMO Lyon lacks variety to be compared to the greats. He has only two deliveries (standard off-spinner and arm ball). It works when he slows it up on wickets that spin and bounce but he becomes pedestrian and predictable otherwise. I know Warney was a leg-spinner but he would deliver on any pitch if the Aussies needed him to step up. That's what separates the decent from the greats.

I would add Starc into the criticism category this series. Scatterball comes to mind. Too many deliveries that are all over the place and especially too many down leg side to an offside field. Just easy runs to the Indians and that releases the pressure.
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Re: Cricket thread
« Reply #213 on: January 17, 2021, 07:41:13 PM »
Draw coming up

India has played well given their players have been maimed by injuries
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Re: Cricket thread
« Reply #214 on: January 18, 2021, 03:11:47 AM »
Out: Starc, Lyon. Paine

In: Richardson, Swepson, Carey/Inglis

:shh

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Re: Cricket thread
« Reply #215 on: January 18, 2021, 12:45:14 PM »
Quote from: Diocletian on January 18, 2021, 03:11:47 AM
Out: Starc, Lyon. Paine


..and Wade.... :thumbsdown
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Re: Cricket thread
« Reply #216 on: January 18, 2021, 01:18:19 PM »
Aussies 4/149 at Lunch. 182 runs ahead.

Warner 48
Harris 38 ... keep your gloves when you duck :P
Labuschagne 25
Wade 0 ... another soft dismissal :facepalm
Smith 28*
Green 4*

Lots of starts but no one yet has gone on with it. Problem is we need to take more risks to score quickly. Need to be as close to 300 ahead by Tea or just after it but with our flimsy batting we could bowled out with just a 200-something lead :-/.
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Re: Cricket thread
« Reply #217 on: January 18, 2021, 03:38:41 PM »
Aussies 7/243 at an early Tea due to rain. Lead by 276 runs.

Smith 55
Green 37
Paine 27
Cummins 2*
Starc 1*
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Re: Cricket thread
« Reply #218 on: January 19, 2021, 03:08:35 AM »
Going to need something out of the ordinary to avoid a draw. If Lyon wants the GOAT title then today is the day. Our quicks need to target the stumps too.
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Re: Cricket thread
« Reply #219 on: January 19, 2021, 12:39:04 PM »
Seriously can't cop Lyon...#nonthreateningnathan  :thumbsdown

Starc only marginally less frustrating to watch bowl...surely must hold the world record for most wasted deliveries in test cricket by now..... :thumbsdown :thumbsdown

Rather bowl Green & Manus then this pair...hell I rather bowl Smith & Warner than Lyon at this ooint... :shh
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Re: Cricket thread
« Reply #220 on: January 19, 2021, 01:13:40 PM »
India 1/83 at Lunch. Still trying to bounce them out rather than target their stumps.
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Re: Cricket thread
« Reply #221 on: January 19, 2021, 02:50:49 PM »
Paine surely now has Shane Watson covered as the absolute worst judge of when to use the DRS .... :facepalm
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Re: Cricket thread
« Reply #222 on: January 19, 2021, 03:50:36 PM »
India 3/183 at Tea.

Our failure to attack their stumps is shown up in lbws. Our bowlers have just 3 for the whole series compared to the Indian bowlers 13.

It's almost got to the stage where Paine should do the opposite of what he thinks with the DRS :P.

As for Starc, he would have to be dropped if this wasn't the last test of the series.   
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Re: Cricket thread
« Reply #223 on: January 19, 2021, 04:23:16 PM »
Quote from: Diocletian on January 19, 2021, 02:50:49 PM
Paine surely now has Shane Watson covered as the absolute worst judge of when to use the DRS .... :facepalm

Dave Warner isn't too far behind either
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Re: Cricket thread
« Reply #224 on: January 19, 2021, 04:50:55 PM »
Warner doesn't stuff them up multiple times in every test....both Paine's captaincy and keeping has been a liability this series.... :shh
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