Geez people have forgotten about the great richo man. Can any tell me exactly what this “overall game” or “all round game” is defined as? Jack R is a champion and has been with Buddy the best forward of the past decade but I can’t think of one thing except for goal kicking accuracy that he has over richo.
Richo played for the most part in a much worse team and kicked more goals. He is one of if not the best contested mark of all time. And to top it off nearly won a Brownlow playing on the wing. I’d say dominating over 2 field lines makes richo the better “all round” player....
All round game means-
-better footy brain
-better below his knees
-better leader
-better kick at goal
-better field kick
-better in the wet
-better at bringing other players into the game
-more agile
-more tricks
-more versatile
and that’s off the top of my head
Sounds like Rick was a dud compared to Jack.
I don't agree with a number of those things.
More versatile? No, Jack has not ever and will not ever play anywhere but the forward line. As TK said, Richo nearly won a Brownlow from the wing. Sure Jack can play different roles within a forward set up...but I think Cho could hold down FF, CHF and the wing with ease which makes him a versatile player.
Better below his knees? I guess, but neither are crumbing forwards so really, who actually gives a stuff?
Better in the wet? Dunno if the there is any data on that but I've seen both kicks bags in the wet.
More agile? Not even slightly. Fairly similar in that area towards the end of their careers, first 6-8 years of the Cho and his agility had Jack covered however.
Speed is a no contest - that's Cho. Bloke was a freak athlete.
Seriously, you blokes need to go back and watch Richo's 2008 season. He kicked 50 odd from the wing, was getting back to take marks in the defensive 50 like Benny Gale used to, he was a constant bail out kick for us...quite often pulling in huge grabs and dishing off to the runners. One of the best seasons I have seen a Richmond player have.
If he were in our side now in place of say Tom Lynch, I honestly reckon he'd kick a bare minimum of 80 per season. Or any top side with a good forward structure.....he never had that in his entire career at the Tiges bar one season.
Richo was a star and probably my favourite Tiger ever but he had flaws!
I don’t agree with pretty much all of your stuff above but that seems about right with us.
Jack could play anywhere on the ground and still be one of our best players IMO.
He reads the ball better than almost anyone in the AFL and sees things happening before most.
That tap to Dusty in the marking contest against 3 Geelong opponents in the final was what only a bare few could see let alone do.
Jack is as versatile a player we have on our list.
Below his knees, you say who cares but I reckon it’s only because it doesn’t suit your argument.
Jack kicks half his goals from ground ball footy and in today’s game with flooding and zones, there isn’t as many lead, mark, kick goals as there used to be.
Jack is as good on the ground as in the air and when opposition play a key defender on Jack to stop him marking the footy we know he will most likely destroy them when the footy hits the ground.
Better in the wet- like above when the ball is wet and on the ground a lot, Jack is still as dangerous as ever. Mostly because he thinks quicker than most but also because he barely fumbles.
A couple of wet Port Adelaide games come to mind when Jack has shown how damaging a 195cm key forward can still be in the wet.
Richo was as good as you’ll see in the air but he certainly wasn’t great when the footy was on the ground and wet.
More agile for me meant Jack can turn and weave and avoid players better than Richo.
Richo is by far a better athlete than Jack, but if Richo was on a lead and didn’t take the grab, he was basically out of the contest. (sometimes to busy waving his arms and abusing the kicker- and rightly so most of the time)
Jack seems like he tackles more too, I haven’t looked at the stats and the game has changed heaps, but Jack is a fantastic tackler and genuinely wants to tackle when he can- unlike some others who just look like they want to tackle- Bellis the biggest culprit ever.
Then you mention speed which wasn’t one of mine but I 100% agree with you on speed.
Richo was a really gifted athlete... and footballer.... and like I said probably my favourite of all time... but...
But after all of that, if you were to chose now who you take first to win our next premiership, who do you take??
