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Re: Rhyan Mansell [merged]
« Reply #615 on: April 01, 2025, 06:31:32 PM »
The Tribunal is now deliberating.



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Re: Rhyan Mansell [merged]
« Reply #616 on: April 01, 2025, 06:35:05 PM »
Flynn (AFL) says re Ginbey:

1. Ginbey had his eyes on the ball

2. Ginbey's push was to gain separation for a mark

3. Hard for Ginbey to be aware Lalor would make contact with a player running back with the flight of the ball.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-tribunal-2025-rhyan-mansell-appeal-live-updates-blog-threegame-ban-for-pushing-liam-oconnell-suspension-result-david-zita-latest-news/news-story/5a6ebb333424b876771e60b1e1350a8e

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Re: Rhyan Mansell [merged]
« Reply #617 on: April 01, 2025, 06:43:33 PM »
Flynn (AFL) says re Ginbey:

1. Ginbey had his eyes on the ball

2. Ginbey's push was to gain separation for a mark

3. Hard for Ginbey to be aware Lalor would make contact with a player running back with the flight of the ball.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-tribunal-2025-rhyan-mansell-appeal-live-updates-blog-threegame-ban-for-pushing-liam-oconnell-suspension-result-david-zita-latest-news/news-story/5a6ebb333424b876771e60b1e1350a8e

Talk about make up crap by the AFL 🙄.

1. Ginbey was nowhere near the fall of the ball. That's why he deliberately pushed Lalor from behind into the oncoming contest.

2. See 1. He was nowhere near the fall of the ball to contest it let alone mark it.

3. Everything was in front of his field of view. He knew what he was doing.
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Re: Rhyan Mansell [merged]
« Reply #618 on: April 01, 2025, 06:51:56 PM »
The Tribunal is still deliberating.

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Re: Rhyan Mansell [merged]
« Reply #619 on: April 01, 2025, 06:52:25 PM »
Mitch Cleary on 7news made mention that this was costing the Club $10,000.

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Re: Rhyan Mansell [merged]
« Reply #620 on: April 01, 2025, 07:08:30 PM »
The Tribunal has been deliberating for 40 minutes.


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Rhyan Mansell cops 3 weeks from the Tribunal [updated]
« Reply #621 on: April 01, 2025, 07:12:05 PM »
Rhyan Mansell’s suspension has been upheld. He will miss the next three matches.

Mansell shakes his head in disbelief.

https://x.com/DavidZita1/status/1906982685664497822

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Re: Rhyan Mansell cops 3 weeks from the Tribunal [updated]
« Reply #622 on: April 01, 2025, 07:28:46 PM »
No surprise. The AFL got what they wanted. Mansell was never going to get off.

By the way, absolutely pathetic by the AFL to try to downplay Ginbey pushing Lalor into a contest which resulted in a broken jaw as well as concussion :thumbsdown.



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Re: Rhyan Mansell cops 3 weeks from the Tribunal [updated]
« Reply #623 on: April 01, 2025, 07:30:46 PM »
Tribunal Reasons:

We do not accept Mansell's evidence that he did not see that two players were running in to attempt to mark the ball. Vision is not consistent with this evidence.

If, as Mansell said, he did not know that other players were running forward to contest the mark, it's highly unlikely that he would have pushed O'Connell away from himself and into the path of what would be on his evidence an uncontested mark.

Mansell's movements are only consistent with him knowing or assuming that other players were running in to contest the mark.

Even if Mansell did not see or see sufficiently clearly that other players were running to contest the mark, he would, or should have, assumed that the ball hung in the air for long enough for the reasonable player to expect that players who had set up at about the 30 meter mark would run in and try to contest the ball.

Mansell said that the team instruction was that the tall forwards would remain deep, but we do not understand this to mean if there is a high ball that they could reach, they would not try to mark it.

If Mansell did not know what was coming, it was careless of him to forcefully push a player with the path of the ball when he does not know, but should reasonably expect there would likely be players running in the opposite direction attempting to mark.

We also reject the submission that O'Connell was going to attempt to mark the ball in any event, and that the push did not cause or contribute to the impact.

It is clear that the push is forceful and affecting the speed at which and the angle at which O'Connell suffered impact.

The force of the push is a significant factor here. It went well beyond what a reasonable player would consider prudent in the circumstances, particularly the circumstances that the push was in the direction of the path of the ball.

Mansell breached his duty of care by pushing O'Connell with such force, with the path of the ball directly in the direction of oncoming players.

Mansell’s eyes were not on the ball. He was not attempting to mark the ball, and he did not push O'Connell to immediately gather the ball.

His evidence that he hoped O'Connell might drop the mark is not a satisfactory explanation or justification for his conduct.

We do not find that the Ginbey example is sufficiently comparable to change our view that this incident constituted rough conduct.

Lalor was not running with the flight of the ball, and Ginbey had not turned away from the flight of the ball.

We need not express an opinion as to whether Ginbey’s conduct also amounted to rough conduct. It is sufficient in the present circumstances to say Mansell's conduct did.

It is worth noting that Mansell acknowledged that he was aware of the contents of a memo from the AFL in which it was stated that pushing an opponent in a mark in a marking contest may result in rough conduct.

As noted, Mansell gave evidence that he hoped O'Connell would drop the mark - that is, he pushed him in a marking contest.

Issues of impact and contact are not in dispute, and we find this was rough conduct, careless, high contact and severe impact.

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Re: Rhyan Mansell cops 3 weeks from the Tribunal [updated]
« Reply #624 on: April 01, 2025, 08:02:22 PM »
Well that makes everything clear  :lol

They have turned this into a joke by saying what Ginbey did was ok.
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Re: Rhyan Mansell cops 3 weeks from the Tribunal [updated]
« Reply #625 on: April 01, 2025, 08:19:29 PM »
No surprise. The AFL got what they wanted. Mansell was never going to get off.

By the way, absolutely pathetic by the AFL to try to downplay Ginbey pushing Lalor into a contest which resulted in a broken jaw as well as concussion :thumbsdown.
Totally agree.  Never going to get off. Did not fit the agenda of the AFL.  Mansell was an easy target. The reasoning regarding the Lalor incident was seriously flawed, unconvincing and filmsey..  Let us see if a player from another club gets charged for a similar incident whether the Tribunal will similarly find rough conduct

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Re: Rhyan Mansell cops 3 weeks from the Tribunal [updated]
« Reply #626 on: April 01, 2025, 08:29:53 PM »
Dillon made comments today that the safety of players is paramount.... Sam Lalor's safety was clearly not paramount

he also said that comparisons to previous incidents and why this one is very different would be made clear at the hearing

Surely those comments were prejudicial to Mansell's case? To the cynic in me it almost made it sound like it has already been pre-determined

i now expect that any player who pushes another player to be cited and suspended. Has to be that way surely?
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Re: Rhyan Mansell cops 3 weeks from the Tribunal [updated]
« Reply #627 on: April 01, 2025, 11:25:44 PM »
If the pushed player gets hurt then it's a fair chance the pusher will get suspended unless your eyes are on the ball. It will probably make defending easier as you can block and not get pushed off and if you are you fall into a pack and play dead. As I've said before we should think about allowing the block as in NFL forwards where you are watching the player and can front on block with open palms.

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Re: Rhyan Mansell cops 3 weeks from the Tribunal [updated]
« Reply #628 on: Yesterday at 07:29:46 AM »
if our club was treated the same as others then i would have no issue with this decision, but we arent.

we are an easy scapegoat due to our bottom finish. No way in hell this would be 3 weeks if it were daicos so therefore its a load of bs.

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Re: Rhyan Mansell cops 3 weeks from the Tribunal [updated]
« Reply #629 on: Yesterday at 08:36:48 AM »
if our club was treated the same as others then i would have no issue with this decision, but we arent.

we are an easy scapegoat due to our bottom finish. No way in hell this would be 3 weeks if it were daicos so therefore its a load of bs.

Or a prelim final and maynard pushed brayshaw
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