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Re: The Stand rule [merged]
« Reply #45 on: April 06, 2023, 10:42:52 PM »
Am I dreaming but I remember reading somewhere how Hocking (when at AFL) and Chris Scott collaborated to work out how to stop Richmonds dominance after 2020.

 Is it just a rumour? Is this actually true? Is there any proof anywhere?

It would be great if anyone can shed any light on this

Yes it was Hocking. Was discussed on a footy talk show once.

Can't remember where but I had a screenshot of it somewhere.

He became increasingly annoyed seeing Richmond players defend the mark horizontally to prevent ball movement vs Geelong in 2020.
Yep. It was in the HeraldSun. Scott Gullan IIRC wrote the article. I think it's this one but it's behind a paywall. There was a screenshot doing the rounds, but I can't find it.



Did AFL footy boss Steve Hocking order man-on-the-mark rule change?

Captain Trent Cotchin is said to have been the No. 1 culprit, or expert depending on which way you look at, when it came to shutting down the corridor by encroaching on the mark.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-rules-2021-did-afl-footy-boss-steve-hocking-order-manonthemark-rule-change/news-story/5bfd3cb5621aceb115cb44207d08afcb
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« Reply #46 on: April 08, 2023, 07:58:42 AM »
Thanks MT  :cheers

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Re: The Stand rule [merged]
« Reply #47 on: April 08, 2023, 12:06:59 PM »
Football coaches have always devised team plans to achieve a desired result.  Its a natural thing to adopt a tactic to win games. 
Carlton went handball happy in the 1970 GF to run Collingwood off their feet & won a flag doing it.  Did the VFL (then) change the rules to prevent it?  No. 
Hawthorn honed their footskills to retain possession & work the ball up the field & won 3 flags doing it.  Did anybody change the rules to stop them?  No! 
Every tactic has its day & every tactic is met with a counter-tactic, coaches make careers out of this tactic/counter game, its a natural & fascinating aspect of our game. 

There was never any need for the AFL/VFL to intervene in the past, but one day SHocking got into Gil's ear & whinged about Richmond 'guarding the corridor'.  Gil agreed that it was preventing sides from going down the middle & approved a plan to change the rules to prevent the man on the mark from 'guarding the corridor'.  He instructed SHocking to devise a rule change, and thus the Stand rule was born. 

Why intervene at all when tactics have always been countered naturally? 

I could easily put it to Gil that tackling is a blight on the game & whinge hard enough to get the tackle banned!  Wouldn't that be wonderful? 
 
All we can say to administrators like Gil & SHocking (& keep saying it to them) is to - LEAVE THE GAME ALONE!         :scream
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Re: The Stand rule [merged]
« Reply #48 on: April 08, 2023, 01:09:46 PM »
This year , there are many low scoring games which was the reported reason why we had to suffer this rule. Do the AFL bring in a new rule , any suggestions or just get rid of this bad rule

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Re: The Stand rule [merged]
« Reply #49 on: April 08, 2023, 04:09:13 PM »
The forefathers of the game brought in the extra smaller posts and the 'behind' to encourage attacking play and reward more scoring attempts. The new rules have now made that teams prefer to aim for a forward contest or stoppage than going for a long goal and missing because it's now harder than ever to defend after kicking a point.
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Re: The Stand rule [merged]
« Reply #50 on: April 08, 2023, 06:12:44 PM »
Football coaches have always devised team plans to achieve a desired result.  Its a natural thing to adopt a tactic to win games. 
Carlton went handball happy in the 1970 GF to run Collingwood off their feet & won a flag doing it.  Did the VFL (then) change the rules to prevent it?  No. 
Hawthorn honed their footskills to retain possession & work the ball up the field & won 3 flags doing it.  Did anybody change the rules to stop them?  No! 
Every tactic has its day & every tactic is met with a counter-tactic, coaches make careers out of this tactic/counter game, its a natural & fascinating aspect of our game. 

There was never any need for the AFL/VFL to intervene in the past, but one day SHocking got into Gil's ear & whinged about Richmond 'guarding the corridor'.  Gil agreed that it was preventing sides from going down the middle & approved a plan to change the rules to prevent the man on the mark from 'guarding the corridor'.  He instructed SHocking to devise a rule change, and thus the Stand rule was born. 

Why intervene at all when tactics have always been countered naturally? 

I could easily put it to Gil that tackling is a blight on the game & whinge hard enough to get the tackle banned!  Wouldn't that be wonderful? 
 
All we can say to administrators like Gil & SHocking (& keep saying it to them) is to - LEAVE THE GAME ALONE!         :scream

Agree with this 1000000%

The 6-6-6 rule, the extended distance the man on the mark has to stand after a behind and worst of all the stand rule are all idiotic ideas created by the afl to open up scoring because they think it’s what the fans want. Problem is there was no fan engagement as far as I know and even worse with the stand rule they didn’t even trial it or consult the coaches.

They’ve made such an effort to increase scoring but without even looking at the numbers I’d be fairly certain that the season on season avgs for total points scored per match has increased very little if anything at all. On top of that, these rules don’t make any sense, make the players look like traffic cones or netball players and have actively made the game worse to watch given it’s just made more rules for umpires to interpret inconsistently.

Like you said the game evolves in cycles. Coaches adapt and team strategies are countered. Taking all the fun out of it by trying to force teams hands. Also give me a close game decided by single digits with the total score by both teams under 100 over a comfortable 5 goal victory with the total score around 200 any day of the weeeeeek.


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Re: The Stand rule [merged]
« Reply #51 on: April 10, 2023, 11:01:32 PM »
Malthouse wants the Stand Rule abolished.

Mick Malthouse urges AFL to change dissent and stand-on-the-mark rules

The stop-start nature of these umpiring calls goes directly against the grain of a fast free-flowing contest. And Mick Malthouse believes it is killing the game.

Mick Malthouse
HeraldSun
April 10, 2023


I’ll tell you what’s wrong: inconsistency. Because it leads to doubt and distrust.

Already there is heightening resentment over the stand-on-the-mark rule. It is loathed by the clubs, and the supporters, as the most useless and demeaning action in football.

The rule was introduced in the 2021 season apparently “to give the player with the ball more opportunity to attack and go through the corridor, in the hope of boosting scoring”.

Based on this reasoning the rule is flawed.

Have a look at the Collingwood team of 2010 and 2011. It was a running machine that played on around the moving man on the mark. Alastair Clarkson’s Hawthorn, three-peat premiers, dissected the opposition with super efficient kicking, even with a moving man on the mark.

Richmond’s play-on-at-all-costs game was never affected by the man on the mark.

All outstanding, successful football teams. All big scorers.

If we’re looking at the bottom teams to find out why they can’t score, it’s not a reason to change the rules. Particularly one that has little bearing on scoring.

No umpire has yet to get it right at calling play-on fast enough for the man on the mark to re-join the action. Umpires are very late because players have become experts at disguising the play on.

In many instances the player with the ball runs past the man on the mark and by the time the ump calls play on, the ball has been kicked and the lamppost defender is chasing from 2m behind.

If the AFL thinks this is fair mindedness and part of the game, ask the supporters what they think when their team is disadvantaged by a pole stuck on the spot, and then penalised for another player who moves across the man on the mark.

If the league persists with this rule, and really, why should they? Then the umpire must have the whistle at the ready to use the instant the player with the ball moves to take a step off the mark. That is hard to do.

Because what we want to do is eliminate the prospect of another 50m penalty.

There’s already too many and it’s killing the game. The stop-start nature of the result of those calls goes directly against the grain of a fast free-flowing game.

AFL umpires do a wonderful job. They officiate the game within the rules to the best of their ability. But it takes time to gain the experience for the speed at which things happen at the top level, and to have the tolerance to understand when a player is posing a question out of frustration, compared to being outright disrespectful.

Let them umpire, as opposed to adjudicating. Games can be won and lost on good and bad decisions. That’s enough. To lose a game because an umpire is offended – that’s a whole other ball game.

https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/mick-malthouse-urges-afl-to-change-dissent-and-standonthemark-rules/news-story/bbe4da488920aceea5ab67e7c5540353

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Re: The Stand rule [merged]
« Reply #52 on: April 11, 2023, 03:13:00 AM »
It would be laughable if not so sad.

I love (not) hearing umpires screaming “stand stand” throughout the game.

What on earth are they thinking…..???

Scrap it as a rule that didn’t work.

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Re: The Stand rule [merged]
« Reply #53 on: April 11, 2023, 07:16:19 AM »
I didn't watch all of Footy Classified last evening but Brad Scott was the guest.

Did they bother to ask him now that he is back in the coach's box what he thinks of the stupid stand rule?  The rule that he could have got rid of but didn't?
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« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2023, 09:41:10 AM »
Every single person in the media routinely lauds the rule and how much it has opened up the game. It’s like it’s an order from AFL house that it has to be praised at any opportunity.

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« Reply #55 on: April 11, 2023, 09:56:10 AM »
A blight on the game.  A ridiculous rule. 

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« Reply #56 on: April 11, 2023, 10:05:35 AM »
Like watching netball

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« Reply #57 on: April 11, 2023, 10:48:52 AM »
It took my Mum half a season to realise the umps were saying 'stand' not Stan.

This came from her asking "Ge how many players are called Stan in the AFL? Fairly uncommon name but there are heaps."

Gets a good chuckle every time.
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« Reply #58 on: June 02, 2023, 10:34:07 PM »
The next time some idiot in the media says the Stand rule has improved the look of the game just point to tonight's game. 14 goals combined in perfect conditions  :P.

All the Stand rule has done is create uber defensive flooding inside both teams F50s and lower scoring than ever in most games :boredom. But hey, it nobbled Richmond so all is good  ::).
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« Reply #59 on: June 09, 2023, 01:57:51 PM »
Welcome to the Stand Rule:

Player runs to stand on the mark.

Ump yells out to player to "Stand!".

Player stands.

Umps calls same player to take a step back as the player happens to be standing a metre over mark.

Players knows under the Stand rule that if he moves after standing, it's a 50m penalty. So, he continues to stand.

Ump pays 50 for being over the mark.

Thanks to SHocking for this stupidity! :facepalm :lol
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