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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #195 on: June 18, 2023, 01:08:59 PM »
Would need to win more than the 5 games mentioned to make it

One week at a time  :snidegrin

Need to beat North, WCE and hawks
3 of the other 6 and then fingers crossed

12.5 might not be enough

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #196 on: June 18, 2023, 01:20:43 PM »
Would need to win more than the 5 games mentioned to make it

One week at a time  :snidegrin

Need to beat North, WCE and hawks
3 of the other 6 and then fingers crossed

12.5 might not be enough

There’s an extra round this season, so you’d think 13 or in our case 13.5 wins would be the minimum.

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #197 on: June 19, 2023, 12:47:38 PM »
Dermie has us as his 4th seed now  :o.


BRERETON

1. Port Adelaide

“Right now if you played a lightning premiership this weekend.

“If everyone played everyone else right now, Port Adelaide win.”

2. Collingwood

“Two is Collingwood.”

3. Melbourne

“Three is Melbourne.”

4. Richmond

“I’ve gone Richmond, five of their last seven, they tip Brisbane out of fourth.

“Brisbane versus St Kilda is awesome coming up, then in 10 days Brisbane play Richmond.

“If they win both of those games they come back in.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/06/19/whateley-and-breretons-top-four-seeds-after-round-14-2023/

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #198 on: June 19, 2023, 12:59:30 PM »
Another Tiger surge looms

IN TODAY'S AFL Daily, star journalists Damian Barrett and Josh Gabelich join all the dots on football's big issues.

- There's life yet in these Tigers - can they surge into another finals series?

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Finals on the cards? The Tigers are suddenly looking ominous (ESPN)
« Reply #199 on: June 19, 2023, 03:56:40 PM »
Finals on the cards? The Tigers are suddenly looking ominous

Rohan Connolly
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Jun 19, 2023


It can be hard to give up on something that once was great, be it a relationship or indeed a relationship with a football team. Even more so when it's one which managed to land three premierships in four seasons.

I refused to get off the Richmond bandwagon when they failed to make the finals in 2021, and even after they bowed out in the first week of finals action last year, instead tipping the Tigers to reach the Grand Final in 2023.

By Round 7, however, after a home defeat to Gold Coast made it just one victory (and a draw) nearly one-third of the way through the season, reality had slapped us Richmond believers in the face enough to concede defeat.

And now? After 14 rounds? Well, as Al Pacino puts it in Godfather III: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!"

We've seen this narrative enough before, of course. Who knows, we might even be seeing it concurrently with Geelong as well.

You know how it goes. A fading power's best is still potent enough to beat anyone on a given day. The heavyweight gets on a bit of a roll and scrapes into the lower reaches of the eight, from where it appears more than capable of doing some serious damage. Before either the strain of the effort getting there, the greater inconsistency now, or both, nips it all in the bud.

The rational part of me thinks that's likely to happen in this case as well. And yet...

Since that loss to the Suns, it's been five wins from seven for Richmond, with the two defeats by a total of just 11 points. But there's other factors combining to potentially put Richmond very much back in the ball game this season.

And that's beyond even the most obvious, which is that narrow losses are now being turned into narrow wins, the Tigers having now won their last three games by six, 15 and 20 points.

Richmond's draw is challenging in parts, beginning with Brisbane at the Gabba after the bye next week, and taking in games against Melbourne, and Port Adelaide away. Yet there's also pretty winnable assignments against Sydney at the MCG, West Coast, Hawthorn, and North Melbourne.

And the Tigers' rivals for the top eight currently ahead of Richmond on the ladder? Essendon looks like it will make it at this stage. But St Kilda has now alternated between win and loss for nine games in a row. Adelaide hasn't played finals for six years and has the second-youngest and least experienced list in the competition.

Both Fremantle and Gold Coast proved on the weekend they're still prone to the odd shocker. We're not talking about the best of the best here.

Richmond's best, however, is being produced for longer periods now under Andrew McQualter. It's not just Tim Taranto picking up a ton of touches. The often hard-to-pinpoint but critical x-factor is coming back.

Shai Bolton has been a major part of that, and after winning plenty of football over the past weeks, he also hit the scoreboard hard in Saturday night's win over St Kilda.

Trent Cotchin's 300th was a bit of fairytale, but he's been very good for a couple of games now, winning more clearances over the past fortnight than he had in the previous eight games. Ditto the last two for Dustin Martin.

Nick Vlastuin, Nathan Broad and Noah Balta are providing the defensive anchor for Richmond and plenty of rebound besides. And what was a problematic forward set-up is starting to tick over a lot more efficiently again, even with spearhead Tom Lynch still a long-term casualty.

That 13.12 (90) scoreline in the pouring rain against the Saints shouldn't be underestimated. And it followed 16.14 against GWS and another winning score against Fremantle in Perth in between.

Richmond was ranked last for scores per inside 50 after Damien Hardwick's last game in charge, the pivotal Dreamtime loss to Essendon. But that had improved to 15th before Saturday night's victory, in which the Tigers managed 25 scores from their 58 inside 50s, again well above what had been a dismal strike rate.

There's more upside, too, ahead of this week's break for Richmond, in who might return after it. One obvious addition is midfielder Jacob Hopper, whose presence would alleviate some of the load on Taranto.

Another less-heralded but potentially important presence also is that of clever forward Noah Cumberland. He's had his issues with the coaching panel and more recently injury, but I think the Tigers always look more dangerous with him lurking near goal.

Tom Lynch? His return from a serious foot injury is still a light on the distant horizon. But the irony here is that while it's hard to see Richmond going far in finals without Lynch were the Tigers to make it, his absence and that old line about "necessity being the mother of invention" might just be underlining why there's still a bit of life in this playing group yet.

All over? You still wouldn't want to be an aspirant for the final eight taking on the Tigers in the run home, whether Richmond ends up getting there or not. And if they don't? Well, in the manner of all truly great eras for teams, I'm not sure it will be all over even then.

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/37875804/afl-round-14-rohan-connolly-richmond-tigers-ominous-andrew-mcqualter-finals-table

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #200 on: June 19, 2023, 04:27:23 PM »
Ominous isn't the word I would use.

Have managed to get over the line against 3 teams who probably should be in the middle third.

None of the wins have been overly convincing.

If we get the better of Brisbane up there then I'll be more interested.

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #201 on: June 19, 2023, 05:08:33 PM »
What has stood out over the last few weeks is the back 6 are running into some great form.  Balta isn't just playing well, he is maturing at a rapid rate lately.  Broad & Grimes are both humming along nicely, Daniel Rioli is no longer our shining light across HB he is just another defender doing a great job.  Short has the luxury of getting up to HF & having a ping at goals more often these days.  So well are the back 6 going that our hard nosed little commando in Baker is now rotating through the midfield & floating through the forward half! 
The return of Vlaustin has put us over the top & forged our back 6 into a really seriously good unit, there is barely a star among them, just 6 blokes who don't want to lose. 
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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #202 on: June 19, 2023, 11:45:33 PM »
The HeraldSun is predicting us to win 6 of our last 9 matches and finish 8th with 12.5 wins.

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Run Home: Every AFL club’s last 10 weeks, final predicted ladder

Chris Cavanagh
HeraldSun
June 20, 2023


Only 10 weeks remain in the AFL home-and-away season as the race towards finals heats up.

We’ve taken a look at every team’s run home to try and find out what the final eight might look like come the end of August.

9. RICHMOND

Played: 14, Won: 6, Lost: 7, Drawn: 1, Points: 26, Percentage: 102.4

R15: Bye

R16: Brisbane, Gabba (L)

R17: Sydney, MCG (W)

R18: West Coast, Optus (W)

R19: Hawthorn, MCG (W)

R20: Melbourne, MCG (L)

R21: Western Bulldogs, Marvel (W)

R22: St Kilda, Marvel (W)

R23: North Melbourne, MCG (W)

R24: Port Adelaide, AO (L)

Predicted Finish: 8th (12-1-10)

Queue the ‘ninth’ jibes. But there is a very real possibility that a resurgent Richmond could climb to seventh or eighth spot by season’s end. Hear us out. The Tigers face five current top-eight sides in the run home, but have already beaten St Kilda this season and have been right in games against Melbourne (18-point loss), Western Bulldogs (five-point loss) and Port Adelaide (10-point loss). Richmond’s other four games are against the current bottom-four sides – Sydney, West Coast, Hawthorn and North Melbourne. So, if they bank those and pinch at least game against one of the better sides, they’re in.

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CAV’S FINAL PREDICTED LADDER

1. Collingwood (20-3)
2. Port Adelaide (20-3
3. Melbourne (19-4)
4. Brisbane (17-6)
5. Essendon (15-8)
6. Geelong (13-10)
7. Western Bulldogs (13-10)
8. Richmond (12-1-10)
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9. Adelaide (12-11)
10. St Kilda (11-10)
11. Gold Coast (10-13)
12. Carlton (9-14)
13. GWS Giants (9-14)
14. Fremantle (9-14)
15. Hawthorn (7-16)
16. Sydney (6-17)
17. North Melbourne (3-20)
18. West Coast (1-22)

https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/run-home-every-afl-clubs-last-10-weeks-final-predicted-ladder/news-story/2c5c4805e3811fb534263f6cc6e6a889

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #203 on: June 20, 2023, 01:47:10 PM »
AFL Power Rankings after Round 14

Max Laughton
Foxsports
20 June 2023


5. RICHMOND (6-7-1, 102.4%)

Last week’s ranking: 12

It feels preposterous pushing a team up this far this quickly, but at the same time, that really speaks to just how even the middle of the pack is. And it’s hard to argue with the Tigers’ form - three straight wins, better than everyone except Essendon and Port Adelaide, and against tougher opponents than the Bombers. (Of course, the Bombers did beat Richmond, but by a point... and it’s literally impossible to respect every head-to-head result.) Knocking off GWS away seems even better a few weeks removed, and two rain-hit wins over Fremantle and St Kilda have propelled Richmond all the way up into ninth on the ladder. Admittedly they’ve played an extra game, but they’re unlikely to fall much further than 11th after the upcoming round. They’ve made a few changes under Andrew McQualter but broadly speaking this feels like the team we tipped in the pre-season to make the top four just finding form and actually having some luck in the close ones. It’s not going to be easy to make the eight from here, but that’s really the case for everyone outside it right now - and if the Tigers get there, they might finally be healthy. And therefore dangerous.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2023-power-rankings-after-round-14-highlights-every-club-ranked-analysis-ladder-predictions-contenders-latest/news-story/16937a4e4a60fbb3c4c5181812b2f82b

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #204 on: June 23, 2023, 02:35:42 AM »
Results of the non-Richmond matches have been all over the place in recent weeks. Premiership is wide open for whoever wants it IMHO.
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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #205 on: June 25, 2023, 08:42:03 PM »
If we beat Brisbane, look out!! The caboose will be transformed into a fast train and storm into finals. Then all is possible, we've proved that already

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #206 on: June 26, 2023, 02:51:42 AM »
The Run Home: Where every AFL club will finish on the ladder, and who’ll play finals

Max Laughton
Fox Sports
June 26th, 2023


PROJECTED FINAL LADDER

1. Collingwood (17.5 projected wins)
2. Port Adelaide (17.4)
3. Brisbane Lions (15.7)
4. Melbourne (14.85)
5. Western Bulldogs (13.15)
6. St Kilda (12.65)
7. Essendon (12.6)
8. Geelong (12.45)
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9. Adelaide Crows (12.2)
10. Fremantle (11.5)
11. Richmond (11.4)
12. Gold Coast Suns (11.3)
13. Sydney Swans (10.15)
14. Carlton (10.1)
15. GWS Giants (9.6)
16. Hawthorn (7.5)
17. North Melbourne (4.65)
18. West Coast Eagles (2.25)


12. RICHMOND (6-7-1, 102.4%)

Remaining games:

Round 16: Brisbane Lions at the Gabba

Round 17: Sydney Swans at the MCG

Round 18: West Coast Eagles at Optus Stadium

Round 19: Hawthorn at the MCG

Round 20: Melbourne at the MCG

Round 21: Western Bulldogs at Marvel Stadium

Round 22: St Kilda at Marvel Stadium

Round 23: North Melbourne at the MCG

Round 24: Port Adelaide at Adelaide Oval

Remaining fixture difficulty: Third-easiest

Since Andrew McQualter took the interim reins, the Tigers have taken their chances while other sides didn’t, with a 3-1 record and the sole loss coming by just 10 points to Port Adelaide. The wins were pretty good too - two away, and one over the team in fifth. We feel this was just Richmond’s talent, which a lot of analysts (including us) saw in the pre-season, finally shining through. So is a shock finals run on the cards? Some help from a team above them collapsing would be handy but yes, it’s certainly possible. They should be aiming to win three of their next four, and combined with a likely win over the Kangaroos, that gets them to 10 and a half. They may only need two more from there - could it come down to Rounds 21 and 22, against the Bulldogs and Saints? Those games feel critical, not just to build the Tigers’ win total but to cut into the leads those teams currently hold. Remember, these projections are by nature conservative, because they’re based on probability - it’s hard to project a team to overcome a rival’s two-win headstart. But we do it like that because it’s an accurate reflection of how likely teams really are to win those games (rather than just saying yep they win this, no they lose this, etc). All of that is to say - it’s in Richmond’s hands.

Fox Footy’s projection: 11.4 projected wins, finishing 11th

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2023-the-run-home-after-round-15-predicted-ladder-top-eight-finals-ladder-predictor-analysis-fixture/news-story/c770d868c303f7842e36c1a3637863d8

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #207 on: June 26, 2023, 12:13:29 PM »
Definitely a logjam in the middle of the ladder. We're only a game and a half from 5th spot.


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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #208 on: June 26, 2023, 12:15:37 PM »
Nathan Buckley's predicted top eight at the end of the 2023 season!

- Collingwood
- Port Adelaide
- Melbourne
- Brisbane
- Geelong
- Adelaide
- Essendon
- Fremantle

Eighth place

Given Buckley has Adelaide, Essendon and Geelong making the eight, here are his thoughts on eighth place.

“For eighth spot, between Fremantle, the Bulldogs and I like Richmond, they’re the three teams vying for eight to me and I’ve actually got Fremantle sneaking in,” Buckley said.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/06/25/nathan-buckley-predicts-the-final-top-8-for-the-2023-afl-season/

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Re: Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?
« Reply #209 on: June 26, 2023, 05:47:30 PM »
David King's seedings after Round 15

1. Collingwood
2. Port Adelaide
3. Brisbane
4. Melbourne

5. Richmond

“They’re 12th on the table the Tigers but I think they win three of the next four.

“That will be enough I think to get them into the eight and then away we go.

“I’ve got them coming with a rush… if they can remain remotely healthy I think they can make a charge.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/06/26/king-and-whateleys-top-four-seeds-after-round-15-2023/