Can Richmond challenge again in 2023?

[TigerLand]

I don't know how we beat Melb who are team to beat IMO.

Pies looked good but nobody wins anything in March.

[Jonesracing82]

Dees are making the same mistake they did last yr. Think us in '18.

[tony_montana]

I still think we can, but I'll admit there is some doubt.

The game against the pies in 2 weeks will answer a lot of questions for mine. Last season our transition defence was awful, if we're to be a legitimate chance in 23, that needs to tighten up considerably. There were good signs against carlton on Thursday, but Pies are probably the best in the business at quick transition from defensive 50, so we'll learn a lot about where we're at in 2 weeks.

[one-eyed]

From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column today:



IF ...
the Tigers were OK in round one ...

THEN ...
I've still got doubts about their credentials in 2023. Even with Taranto and Hopper as acquisitions, I question their midfield quality.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/887054/if-the-eagles-have-won-two-games-since-r19-2021-then

[one-eyed]

KING AND WHATELEY’S TOP FOUR SEEDS AFTER ROUND 2, 2023

SEN
27 March 2023

KING

1. Collingwood
2. Sydney
3. Melbourne

4. Richmond

“I have got the Tigers, I’m a believer in the Tigers.

“I don’t know why, I think this clearance game is starting to work and the old firm are still staying strong.”

WHATELEY

1. Collingwood
2. Melbourne
3. Carlton
4. Sydney

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/27/king-and-whateleys-top-four-seeds-after-round-2-2023/

[one-eyed]

AFL Power Rankings

Max Laughton
Fox Sports
March 29th, 2023

What are the Power Rankings?
This is our attempt to rank every AFL club from best to worst. We take wins and losses into account, but also the quality of opposition faced and whether teams are likely to get healthier or improve going forward. It’s a little bit ‘who’s hot and who’s not’; part predictive, part analysis of what’s happened. If Team A is above Team B, we’d probably tip A to win if they were playing at a neutral venue this weekend.

1. Collingwood
2. Sydney
3. Melbourne
4. Brisbane

5. RICHMOND (1-0-1, 123.9%)

Last week’s ranking: 7

The Tigers were underwhelming for large patches of the win over Adelaide, but were so good in the other patches it didn’t matter. That’s the positive. But now they have to deal with a blow to their defence, which is already their flaw. It’s not like Nathan Broad is a superstar but losing any part of their back six for the next month of footy is going to hurt. They’ve got a brutal four weeks to come - Collingwood, the Bulldogs, Sydney and Melbourne. So just our three highest-ranked teams and a Bulldogs side that’ll probably be playing for its season... no big deal.


6. Carlton
7. Geelong
8. Port Adelaide
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9. St Kilda
10. Essendon
11. Fremantle
12. W.Bulldogs
13. Gold Coast
14. GWS
15. Adelaide
16. North Melbourne
17. West Coast
18. Hawthorn

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/epic-prelim-rivals-surge-into-top-spots-as-big-fears-emerge-for-22-finalists-afl-power-rankings/news-story/5051700f6249e194789f7928036304a7

[the claw]

The real shame in all this Broad saga is Tom Browne is hurt and not available.

Reckon a bit outside the box would be McIntosh to hb, That was a role i always believed he should have been developed in having been very good at it as a junior. Similar size but far worse skills than Broad.

The only problem with that would be he will play plodder Ross on the wing rather than blood Clarke give Sonsie some space or even debut Banks.
Another young option would be Ralphsmith. All those quick skilled running options and yet in the past Hooch has played Ross there.

But wait Hooch is a 3time premiership coach and just never gets things wrong.

[Tigeritis™©®]

NO!

Too many lazy players not willing to work like they used to.

Can’t tackle like we used to.

Aren’t hungry enough. Too slow.

[mightytiges]

We were woeful tonight yet I wouldn't write us off after only 3 rounds. We were missing key players and we are still an evolving side that clearly needs to jell over the remaining 20 H/A rounds. Our defence stood up relatively well considering and against what everyone is now saying are the premiership favourite at virtually full strength.

[TigerLand]

I think Pies and Dees stand alone as top 2. Swans have had a easy draw and Lions can't win away from Qld.

I'm still bullish even after a poor showing, and a poor 3rd qtr vs Crows. I don't think we are far off Lions with our flaws. We beat Lions in Vic and they beat us up there. Swans are unknown. We won't get top 2, top 4 is for the taking though. We've given Pies closest game even though it should have been more. I'm still bullish but there is an enormous amount to work on to challenge, but those challenging for top 4 also are miles off (Lions, Cats, Freo, Blues)

[Tigeritis™©®]

I don’t see the want anymore from our senior players just don’t have what it takes anymore and are not the icing on the cake of a good team.

Our forward entries are a massive issue and our big forward for some reason don’t want to lead into space and just flap their arms for the big mark no one takes.


Nankervis continues to get worse the more he should be dominant ie. EF final 2022 and second half tonight.
Grimes has had a terrible stay to a season since he kept pining hammies and cotchin just can’t go at the same pace as he used to.

[Andyy]

Honestly it looks like Jack and Cotch and hoping to ride a Taranto/Hopper wave to a 4th flag.

They try a bit, but can't gut run anymore, rarely man up in time on etc.

Nankervis is also quite a sucky ruckman. 40 of the worst hitouts you'll ever see tonight.

[the claw]

NO!

Too many lazy players not willing to work like they used to.

Can’t tackle like we used to.

Aren’t hungry enough. Too slow.

Reckon you have it wrong though those things contribute. For me the major reason!!  not enough well rounded players hence the words role players is so much in vogue with tiger supporters.They try they do their best but when with ball any sort of pressure sees them gift it back.
They work but lack the attributes especially with ball in hand.
Tackling interesting  imo too many smalls who cannot lock up players in tackles  but agree we are just a lousy tackling team and have been for awhile now.
Hunger equals age. Along with to a degree too slow. Lets keep playing the role players we wont win a thing because the role players lack in a big way one way or the other.

[Tigeritis™©®]

Honestly it looks like Jack and Cotch and hoping to ride a Taranto/Hopper wave to a 4th flag.

They try a bit, but can't gut run anymore, rarely man up in time on etc.

Nankervis is also quite a sucky ruckman. 40 of the worst hitouts you'll ever see tonight.

Nankervis worst game ever was last season Elimination final. Absolutely Terrible. 
Tonight a close second. 

Both times he has the luxury of an injured ruckman and should’ve dominated but failed twice against the very same player.   

[Tigeritis™©®]

Our youngsters aren’t up to the level and because of that fact we haven’t had the lifted output from our aging senior stars.

In contrast, the Pies aging stars have been propelled to their former glory with the influx of young elite runners that are prepared to work hard and tackle for four quarters.

We just don’t have that yet from our next crop and by the time they get to that level our three time premiership superstars have already started their media careers.