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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #405 on: November 22, 2023, 01:44:48 PM »
Quote from: crackertigerlink=topic=32747.msg761959#msg761959 date=1700561173
Cannot understand why we passed when Stevens was still on the board.

Because we didnít rate him :shh
Apparently we did not rate many at all. Another year another draft where we hardly participate another year  they don't have the confidence to back themselves in with some late picks.

Yes we definitely haven't been known for backing ourselves in with late picks over the years....

Been very poor at it if you look at it with eyes open over the journey..

Anyway agree Stevens, the knock on him was pace but there are no testing results for him that i can find. Have a feeling he is not as slow as some think.

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #406 on: November 23, 2023, 12:36:09 PM »
Club                      Picks                                                 Total Value
Adelaide              9, 33, 47, 65, 83                                 2438
Brisbane             17, 55, 59, 91                                         1390
Carlton             16, 36, 60, 61, 66, 90                            1930
Collingwood         23, 41, 56, 92                                         1421
Essendon             8, 28, 82                                                 2228
Fremantle             5, 14, 18, 32, 68, 79                         4667
GWS                     15, 29, 53, 54, 71, 89                         2247   
Geelong              7, 27, 45, 63, 81                                 2806   
Gold Coast     4, 10, 20, 24, 37, 46, 73, 78                 5949    :cheers will probably be trading out picks for points again
Hawthorn             3, 38, 64, 67, 77                                 2869   
Melbourne             13, 31, 48, 50, 69, 87                         2442   
North Melbourne   2, 22, 40, 58, 72, 76                         3980   
Port Adelaide     34, 52, 88                                         788    :lol :rollin
Richmond             6, 25, 26, 39, 43, 44, 62, 70, 74, 80       4584    :thumbsup
St Kilda             12, 35, 51, 86                                          2049   
Sydney             11, 19, 49, 85                                          2564   
West Coast      1, 21, 57, 75                                          4060   
Western Bulldogs  30, 42, 84                                          1024   


Early scenario, we could probably trade a selection of picks 25, 26, 39, 43, 62 & 70 to GCS for pick 4 and go into the draft with 4 + 6 (before slides).

Or them for 10 + 20 and draft with 6 + 10 + 20 before slides.


Personally I'd be happy to get GCS P4 and just take 2 top 10 picks.

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #407 on: November 23, 2023, 12:50:33 PM »
Club                      Picks                                                 Total Value
Adelaide              9, 33, 47, 65, 83                                 2438
Brisbane             17, 55, 59, 91                                         1390
Carlton             16, 36, 60, 61, 66, 90                            1930
Collingwood         23, 41, 56, 92                                         1421
Essendon             8, 28, 82                                                 2228
Fremantle             5, 14, 18, 32, 68, 79                         4667
GWS                     15, 29, 53, 54, 71, 89                         2247   
Geelong              7, 27, 45, 63, 81                                 2806   
Gold Coast     4, 10, 20, 24, 37, 46, 73, 78                 5949    :cheers will probably be trading out picks for points again
Hawthorn             3, 38, 64, 67, 77                                 2869   
Melbourne             13, 31, 48, 50, 69, 87                         2442   
North Melbourne   2, 22, 40, 58, 72, 76                         3980   
Port Adelaide     34, 52, 88                                         788    :lol :rollin
Richmond             6, 25, 26, 39, 43, 44, 62, 70, 74, 80       4584    :thumbsup
St Kilda             12, 35, 51, 86                                          2049   
Sydney             11, 19, 49, 85                                          2564   
West Coast      1, 21, 57, 75                                          4060   
Western Bulldogs  30, 42, 84                                          1024   


Early scenario, we could probably trade a selection of picks 25, 26, 39, 43, 62 & 70 to GCS for pick 4 and go into the draft with 4 + 6 (before slides).

Or them for 10 + 20 and draft with 6 + 10 + 20 before slides.


Personally I'd be happy to get GCS P4 and just take 2 top 10 picks.

Depending on views as between the quality of the 2024 draft v 2025 draft, we could get both 4 and 10 off them and also trade our 2025 F1 and go in with 4, 6 and 10 in the 2024 draft.

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #408 on: November 23, 2023, 12:55:05 PM »
Club                      Picks                                                 Total Value
Adelaide              9, 33, 47, 65, 83                                 2438
Brisbane             17, 55, 59, 91                                         1390
Carlton             16, 36, 60, 61, 66, 90                            1930
Collingwood         23, 41, 56, 92                                         1421
Essendon             8, 28, 82                                                 2228
Fremantle             5, 14, 18, 32, 68, 79                         4667
GWS                     15, 29, 53, 54, 71, 89                         2247   
Geelong              7, 27, 45, 63, 81                                 2806   
Gold Coast     4, 10, 20, 24, 37, 46, 73, 78                 5949    :cheers will probably be trading out picks for points again
Hawthorn             3, 38, 64, 67, 77                                 2869   
Melbourne             13, 31, 48, 50, 69, 87                         2442   
North Melbourne   2, 22, 40, 58, 72, 76                         3980   
Port Adelaide     34, 52, 88                                         788    :lol :rollin
Richmond             6, 25, 26, 39, 43, 44, 62, 70, 74, 80       4584    :thumbsup
St Kilda             12, 35, 51, 86                                          2049   
Sydney             11, 19, 49, 85                                          2564   
West Coast      1, 21, 57, 75                                          4060   
Western Bulldogs  30, 42, 84                                          1024   


Early scenario, we could probably trade a selection of picks 25, 26, 39, 43, 62 & 70 to GCS for pick 4 and go into the draft with 4 + 6 (before slides).

Or them for 10 + 20 and draft with 6 + 10 + 20 before slides.


Personally I'd be happy to get GCS P4 and just take 2 top 10 picks.

Depending on views as between the quality of the 2024 draft v 2025 draft, we could get both 4 and 10 off them and also trade our 2025 F1 and go in with 4, 6 and 10 in the 2024 draft.

Thought of that myself but am not sure we should ever trade our F1 anymore tbh.

Really backfired with Hopper IMO and I'm not sure we've ever done it successfully/to benefit us.

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #409 on: November 23, 2023, 03:16:44 PM »
When does the Tassie draft blitz kick in ?
I would imagine thatís another reason we have stockpiled picks for next year

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #410 on: November 23, 2023, 05:14:19 PM »
When does the Tassie draft blitz kick in ?
I would imagine thatís another reason we have stockpiled picks for next year
Tassie's team will enter the comp. in 2028. So, their first draft will be 2027 unless the AFL gives them the same deal as the Giants which was done over two years. Then it would be 2027-28. Of course, the way it was set up back then also allowed GWS to create picks out of thin air. 

ps. We still picked up Brandon Ellis at 15 in 2011 and Floss at 9 in 2012 despite the AFL's concessions to the new clubs. 2010 we infamously 'reached' for Reece Conca at 6 but later on made up for it by trading for Prestia & Caddy and Lynch via FA from the Suns who all went in the top 11.

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #411 on: November 23, 2023, 06:18:52 PM »
Hopefully the AFL will mandate it so they have to trade out some of their picks for players....they pretty much acknowledged that's what they should've done with GCS & GWS in retrospect....which probably means they won't and will just go right ahead and make the same mistake...  :shh
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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #412 on: November 23, 2023, 11:41:26 PM »
Geelong, Adelaide, Carlton and Melbourne have only taken two players each from their NGAís over the past eight years.

@ClarkyHeraldSun left off the club with the least number of NGA players. Richmond with only one Derek Eggmollesse-Smith, who was delisted after 9 games.

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Clubs canvassed protest before the draft to level out academy advantages. AFL facing big decisions as frustration grows.

https://twitter.com/ClarkyHeraldSun/status/1727227442384060706

https://twitter.com/RichmondDynasty/status/1727320948737712472

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #413 on: November 26, 2023, 04:03:26 PM »
Revealed: What your club wants changed at the draft

The compromised 2023 draft has caused a stir among plenty of clubs, but how would they do it differently, and what is the main rule the Tigers want changed?

The Sunsí academy dominated the opening night of the 2023 draft, with a rival club imploring the AFL to amend one rule that could possibly give the Gold Coast an unfair advantage.

Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-rival-clubs-call-for-academy-draft-tweaking-after-2023s-compromised-draft/news-story/f4b1805b2cd2fbeed57ef99dc14c3d4e

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #414 on: November 28, 2023, 11:21:44 PM »
Club                      Picks                                                 Total Value
Adelaide              9, 33, 47, 65, 83                                 2438
Brisbane             17, 55, 59, 91                                         1390
Carlton             16, 36, 60, 61, 66, 90                            1930
Collingwood         23, 41, 56, 92                                         1421
Essendon             8, 28, 82                                                 2228
Fremantle             5, 14, 18, 32, 68, 79                         4667
GWS                     15, 29, 53, 54, 71, 89                         2247   
Geelong              7, 27, 45, 63, 81                                 2806   
Gold Coast     4, 10, 20, 24, 37, 46, 73, 78                 5949    :cheers will probably be trading out picks for points again
Hawthorn             3, 38, 64, 67, 77                                 2869   
Melbourne             13, 31, 48, 50, 69, 87                         2442   
North Melbourne   2, 22, 40, 58, 72, 76                         3980   
Port Adelaide     34, 52, 88                                         788    :lol :rollin
Richmond             6, 25, 26, 39, 43, 44, 62, 70, 74, 80       4584    :thumbsup
St Kilda             12, 35, 51, 86                                          2049   
Sydney             11, 19, 49, 85                                          2564   
West Coast      1, 21, 57, 75                                          4060   
Western Bulldogs  30, 42, 84                                          1024   


Early scenario, we could probably trade a selection of picks 25, 26, 39, 43, 62 & 70 to GCS for pick 4 and go into the draft with 4 + 6 (before slides).

Or them for 10 + 20 and draft with 6 + 10 + 20 before slides.


Personally I'd be happy to get GCS P4 and just take 2 top 10 picks.
It's going to harder next year to score a top 5-10 pick as Gold Coast will likely make finals while father-son clubs in Adelaide (Welsh), Brisbane (younger Ashcroft) & Carlton (Camporeale twins) are also likely finalists as well.

25, 26, 39, 43, 44, 62, 70 ---> 756 + 729 + 446 + 378 + 362 + 39 = 2710.

So, the second option in trading these picks for two picks in the teens is probably more likely what we'll end up with. We might even keep one of 39, 43 or 44. Leaving us with four picks - 6, teen, teen, one of 39-44.
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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #415 on: November 29, 2023, 12:25:18 AM »
Word is we're after King or Cadman and a couple of free agents...McCluggage (doubt well get him particularly if we have a shyte year) ...Zuuhar & MCgrath(yuck)...King or Cadman will cost at least one first rounder ....might have to lose a decent player as well...Baker to WA's my early tip....things also depend on how Yze gets on with players....worst case scenario can see Bolton seeking an early release which we can turn into a "win" (Harley Reid and your first rounder thanks WC)if we get FA's we won't get compo for any fa's we lose so we'll probably  have to match offers for RFAs like Graham f.e. to get picks but you'd think they'd have to be unders to get it done...be interesting to see what happens with Torney's kid-if he's any good and nominates us- as well as that could effect things too...might have to consider having points for Kellaway for the following year's draft as well  - all pure speculation at this point but reckon one way or another we'll see quite the list turnover next year... :shh
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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #416 on: November 30, 2023, 11:59:58 PM »
AFL to overhaul draft on father-sons, academy picks

The AFL will overhaul the national draft to force clubs to pay a fairer market rate to secure father-son or academy players.

AFL head of football Laura Kane wrote to all clubs in October before the national draft, putting them on notice of the plan to review the system. The review of the draft Ė and a call for suggested changes Ė will be a top agenda item at a meeting between the AFL and club general managers of football on Thursday.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-to-overhaul-draft-on-father-sons-academy-picks-20231129-p5ensp.html

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #417 on: December 01, 2023, 12:10:11 AM »
No doubt us trading in all those future picks will convince them to speed up the process now..... :shh
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