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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #150 on: October 18, 2023, 11:18:13 AM »
Luke Lloyd if he's available? We need KPFs terribly

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #151 on: October 18, 2023, 03:26:16 PM »
I hope we go for Bailey vdh. Heard good things about him
Looks like he has a bit of bastard in him

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #152 on: October 18, 2023, 07:59:29 PM »
Each club's draft picks

Richmond:    29, 41, 65, 68, 86

Adelaide:      10, 14, 20, 89
Brisbane:      30, 39, 51, 54, 67, 97
Carlton:        22, 28, 70, 78, 96
Collingwood: 19, 33, 80, 98
Essendon:      9, 31, 35, 73, 88
Fremantle:   34, 46, 60, 64, 85
Geelong:       8, 25, 76, 87, 94
Gold Coast: 24, 26, 27, 32, 36, 38, 66, 71, 74, 84
GWS Giants: 7, 16, 43, 59, 77, 79, 95
Hawthorn:    4, 44, 47, 49, 61, 62, 63, 83
Melbourne:   6, 11, 42, 93
North Melb.: 2, 3, 15, 17, 18, 57, 82
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St Kilda:     13, 21, 40, 92
Sydney:     12, 45, 55, 91
West Coast: 1, 23, 37, 58, 81
W.Bulldogs: 5, 48, 50, 52, 53, 56, 69, 72, 75, 90

https://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-order

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #153 on: October 18, 2023, 08:54:21 PM »
Does anyone know what the picks will come down to once GCs picks are eaten up by bid matches?

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #154 on: October 18, 2023, 09:37:33 PM »
Does anyone know what the picks will come down to once GCs picks are eaten up by bid matches?

I'm guessing 29 will stay around the same and 41 might come forward a few spots.

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #155 on: October 18, 2023, 11:30:33 PM »
My guess is 29 becomes low 30's the rest should come down.

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #156 on: October 19, 2023, 10:27:21 AM »
Interesting PA are into him when you consider they have 5 kids in T Marshall, K Marshall, Scully, Lord and Georgiades to go with Finlayson and Dixon.

Well Dixon is crap/cooked, Finlayson going on 28.


Georgiades is only 192.

Maybe they're planning for the future like we never really bothered to do.

Bauer is only 192 but we still consider him a tall. The point was we had Tom and Jack and did stuff all.
Port had Dixon and Findlayson but still went out and got a plethora of young tall's and will  continue to do so probably. They have actually managed to get games into Marshall Lord and Georgiades.

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #157 on: October 19, 2023, 02:39:27 PM »
Trade 41,65& 68 to GC for 32  -should give us a shot at both Moir & Zaletsky or maybe even Reid if he slide...grab Mannagh or Sellers with 86....rookie one of Yassine, Brindley,Lefau or WP's favourite whipping boy El Nour... :shh

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #158 on: October 19, 2023, 02:44:01 PM »
Trade 41,65& 68 to GC for 32  -should give us a shot at both Moir & Zaletsky or maybe even Reid if he slide...grab Mannagh or Sellers with 86....rookie one of Yassine, Brindley,Lefau or WP's favourite whipping boy El Nour... :shh



What sort of point surplus will they get from that?

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #159 on: October 19, 2023, 03:03:05 PM »
Trade 41,65& 68 to GC for 32  -should give us a shot at both Moir & Zaletsky or maybe even Reid if he slide...grab Mannagh or Sellers with 86....rookie one of Yassine, Brindley,Lefau or WP's favourite whipping boy El Nour... :shh

What sort of point surplus will they get from that?
It's a deficit actually.

Pick 32: 584 points

Picks 41, 65 & 68: 412 + 90 + 59 = 561 points

Gold Coast's picks 36 (502 pts) or 38 (465 pts) would give them a points surplus though.

However, the Suns wouldn't do it anyway as I'm pretty sure there's a rule that any picks you trade in you have to use. Clubs don't want late picks if they have no need for them. The only reason for the Suns to consider a swap of picks on draft night is if there are earlier bids than they were expecting on all of their academy kids which would send them into a points deficit next year. 

The same rule should mean we'll be using at least 29, 41 & 65 in the National draft.

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #160 on: October 19, 2023, 03:13:38 PM »
You forgot to factor in the Dimma discount... :shh
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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #161 on: October 19, 2023, 07:30:54 PM »
El Nour included in this list.

Kevin Sheehan’s 2023 AFL Draft top prospects: Tall defenders

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19 October 2023


AFL Talent Ambassador Kevin Sheehan has released profiles on the top tall defender prospects ahead of the 2023 AFL Draft.

The tall defenders group includes three players who claimed their team’s MVP award at the 2023 AFL National Championships in Daniel Curtin (Western Australia), Ollie Murphy (Victoria Metro) and Connor O’Sullivan (Allies).

NATIONAL COMBINE

Daniel Curtin
State: Western Australia
State League Club: Claremont
Community Club: West Coast
Date of Birth: 08/03/05
Height: 197cm

A left-footed defender who experienced a frustrating run with injury during the 2022 season before getting back to play in the AFL Futures game at the MCG on AFL Grand Final day. He excelled for Team Houli with 22 disposals and nine marks to claim best on the ground honours. Continued that form into this season and was outstanding for Western Australia at the National Championships winning his team’s MVP award and All-Australian honours after averaging 23.5 disposals and 6.5 marks playing as a defender and midfielder. Played a handful of senior games at club level and ended the season being one of his team’s best in a premiership win at under 18s level. His agility, speed for his size and precise kicking are all features of his game.

Wil Dawson
State: Victoria Country
State League Club: Gippsland Power
Community Club: Leongatha
Date of Birth: 20/12/05
Height: 200cm

Developed as a potential tall defender throughout the year but also played up forward and in the ruck. Still developing physically having grown 20cm in the past two years but has maintained his ability at ground level, where he is clean below the knees. Doesn’t turn 18 until late December making him only just eligible for this year’s Draft. Showed distinct promise in his 13 games for the Gippsland Power in the Coates Talent League as well as for Victoria Country, where he displayed aggression and intensity in the way he attacked the ball.

Will McCabe
State: South Australia
State League Club: Central District
Community Club: Tanunda
Date of Birth: 29/09/05
Height: 197cm

A tall defender who has also gone forward at times this year and has continued to develop nicely. He had an excellent year at under 18 level for Central District where he averaged 21.8 disposals and 5.9 marks across nine matches. He was also one South Australia’s better players at the National Championships. A competitive type who has a good natural leap and is very strong overhead. Is eligible to join Hawthorn under the father-son rule as the son of former Hawk Luke McCabe who played 138 games from 1995 to 2004.

James McLaughlin
Country: Ireland
County: County Galway
Date of Birth: 09/12/02
Height: 194cm

Potential tall defender who is a star of the Gaelic game. Won under 17 All Ireland honours as a midfielder and is now a member of Galway’s senior team with his agility and prowess overhead real features of his game. A talented all-round sportsman he also excels at basketball, soccer and golf. Has adapted quickly to the oval ball at training in Dublin and at tryouts in Australia and has the positive mindset to be capable of switching codes and being a success.

Ollie Murphy
State: Victoria Metro
State League Club: Sandringham Dragons
Community Club: East Brighton Vampires
Date of Birth: 16/09/05
Height: 200cm

A lightly built tall defender who sets up the play with his neat left-foot kicking. Shows real composure with the ball in hand and is strong overhead. Is also a capable decision maker in one-on-one contests on when to mark or spoil. Although new to playing in defence this season he adapted remarkably well. Was outstanding for Victoria Metro in the National Championships winning his team’s MVP award and All Australian honours after averaging 11.2 disposals and 4.5 marks per match. He capped off a great year playing in the Sandringham Dragons premiership team in the Coates Talent League.

Connor O’Sullivan
State: NSW/ACT
State League Club: Murray Bushrangers
Community Club: Albury
Date of Birth: 19/05/05
Height: 198cm

Athletic tall defender who was outstanding for the title-winning Allies at the National Championships winning their MVP award and All Australian honours. O’Sullivan averaged 17.8 disposals at 86 percent efficiency as well as averaging 8.2 marks and providing great rebound to lead an almost impassible Allies defence. He has an exciting natural leap, good speed and elite endurance highlighted with a top 10 placing in the 2km time trial at the AFL Draft Combine, where he recorded a time of 6:11. Also showed he can go forward and have an impact during his time with the Murray Bushrangers.

Will Patton
State: South Australia
State League Club: West Adelaide
Community Club: Mitcham
Date of Birth: 04/01/05
Height: 192cm

Left-footed defender who captained South Australia at the National Championships and was a consistent performer throughout, which was rewarded with All Australian honours. Showed he can play on both taller and smaller opponents and averaged 17 disposals at 89.7 percent efficiency and 4.8 marks. Uses the ball exceptionally well by hand and foot and sets up the play with his ball use from defence. Had shoulder surgery which curtailed the back end of his season but is on track to a complete recovery.

Ari Schoenmaker
Pronunciation: Show-en-maker
State: Tasmania
State League Club: Tasmania Devils
Community Club: Launceston
Date of Birth: 07/01/05
Height: 194cm

Left-footed tall defender who reads the game exceptionally well to intercept and is a prodigious kick of the ball. Had a very impressive back half of the year, which included being selected for the Allies in their final two matches of the National Championships. He showed the ability to also play on the wing and averaged 27 disposals at 75 percent efficiency as well as 5.9 marks and 9.6 rebound 50s in his eight matches with the Tasmania Devils in the Coates Talent League to be one of their most impressive performers.

Zane Zakostelsky
Pronunciation: Zac-oh-stel-ski
State: Western Australia
State League Club: Claremont
Community Club: North Beach
Date of Birth: 14/12/05
Height: 196cm

Tall defender and ruckman who developed rapidly as the year progressed. Was selected in the final two games for Western Australia at the National Championships with his incept marking a feature. Was a consistent performer for Claremont at Colts level averaging 15.2 disposals in 13 matches and was best on ground in the club’s Grand Final win with 22 disposals and 14 hitouts. Followed up that performance by being one of the athletic stars of the National Combine. His standing vertical jump of 80cm ranked number one overall along with producing top-six times in the agility test (8.23 seconds) and 20m sprint (2.95 seconds). Potential Draft bolter who doesn’t turn 18 years until mid-December so has plenty of upside.

STATE COMBINE

Mutaz El Nour
Pronunciation: Moo-taz
State: Victoria
State League Club: Richmond VFL
Community Club: Caroline Springs
Date of Birth: 14/08/01
Height: 192cm

Tall defender with Sudanese heritage who has an exciting aerial game using his long reach and natural spring to mark and spoil. Is also a composed decision-maker and neat user of the ball by hand and foot. First came under notice as a member of the Western Bulldogs NGA program and has gone on to establish himself at VFL level playing 34 games over the past three years with the Northern Bullants and Richmond. Played 16 matches with the Tigers this year and continued his development averaging 12.9 disposals at 80 percent efficiency and 3.8 marks to remain on the radar of AFL scouts.

Oscar Gawith
Pronunciation: Gore-th
State: Victoria Country
State League Club: GWV Rebels
Community Club: Minyip-Murtoa
Date of Birth: 23/05/05
Height: 193cm

A strongly-built tall defender who excels in one-on-one contests and makes good decisions on when to mark and spoil. His consistent form with the GWV Rebels earned him selection for Victoria Country. Played the final two National Championship games including against the Allies with his containment of the highly regarded Jed Walter seeing him recognised as one of Victoria Country’s best. A courageous player under the ball with impressive mobility, he played nine games in the Coates Talent League averaging nine disposals.

Patrick Snell
State: Northern Territory/Queensland
State League Club: Brisbane Lions Academy
Community Club: Southern Districts/Wilston Grange
Date of Birth 18/07/05
Height: 194 cm

Left-footed tall defender who has also shown versatility playing for the Brisbane Lions Academy having the ability to also go forward and have an impact. Was a consistent player in five games for the Lions in the Coates Talent League, averaging 13.6 disposals. He then stepped up to become part of the Allies’ strong defensive unit during the National Championships. Was impressive during testing at the State Draft Combine held in Melbourne with his 3.03 seconds for the 20m sprint showing his speed off the mark.

Cooper Trembath
State: Victoria Metro
State League Club: Eastern Ranges
Community Club: Park Orchards
Date of Birth: 17/10/05
Height: 193cm

Tall defender whose ability to read the game had him ranked first for intercept marks in the Coates Talent League. Played 13 matches for the Ranges averaging 6.8 marks as well as 14.3 disposals and was a member of the Grand Final team that went down to the Sandringham Dragons. Experienced a taste of VFL football with Frankston to add to his development in 2023. His natural impressive leap was highlighted during Combine testing where he recorded 88cm for the running vertical jump which was the fourth best result produced at the State Draft Combine in Melbourne.

Nick Williams
State: Queensland
State League Club: Gold Coast Suns Academy
Community Club: Surfers Paradise
Date of Birth: 02/05/04
Height: 190cm

Tall defender who is very strong in the contest particularly one-on-one in marking contests where he holds his ground well to mark or spoil. Played five matches for the Gold Coast Suns Academy in both the Coates Talent League and the VFL. Held down the key defensive post for the Allies in their unbeaten Championship-winning side averaging 10.8 disposals at 77 percent efficiency and 3.5 marks. Tested soundly at the State Draft Combine with his 6:41 for the 2km time trial a strong performance.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1054989/kevin-sheehans-2023-afl-draft-top-prospects-tall-defenders

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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #162 on: October 19, 2023, 08:55:45 PM »
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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #163 on: October 20, 2023, 02:04:41 PM »
Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking

1. Harley Reid ............... 17/04/05   185cm  85kg     Bendigo Pioneers/Vic Country               Midfield/forward
2. Jed Walter ................ 08/06/05   195cm  94kg     Gold Coast Academy/Palm Beach/Allies  Key forward
3. Zane Duursma .......... 20/08/05    189cm  80kg     Gippsland Power/Vic Country               Midfielder/forward
4. Colby McKercher ....... 12/04/05    182cm  76kg     Tasmania/Launceston/Allies                 Midfielder
5. Nick Watson ............. 24/02/05    170cm  68kg     Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro                    Forward
6. Daniel Curtin ............ 08/03/05    195cm  94kg     Claremont/Western Australia               Key defender/forward   
7. Ryley Sanders .......... 21/01/05    186cm  85kg     Tasmania/Sandringham Dragons/Allies  Midfielder
8. Nate Caddy .............. 14/07/05    192cm  91kg     Northern Knights/Vic Metro                  Key forward/midfielder
9. Ethan Read .............. 07/07/05    200cm  88kg     Gold Coast Academy/Palm Beach/Allies  Ruck
10. Connor O'Sullivan ... 19/05/05    198cm  92kg      Murray Bushrangers/Allies                   Key defender/forward
11. Caleb Windsor ........ 09/06/05   185cm  74kg      Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro                     Midfielder (+3)
12. James Leake .......... 10/02/05    188cm  75kg     Tasmania/Launceston/Allies                  Defender (+4)
13. Jordan Croft ........... 12/05/05    201cm  80kg      Calder Cannons/Vic Metro                    Key forward (-2)
14. Jake Rogers ........... 02/03/05    172cm  69kg     Gold Coast Academy/Broadbeach/Allies  Midfielder (-2)
15. Darcy Wilson .......... 18/08/05    185cm  73kg     Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country           Midfielder/forward
16. Koltyn Tholstrup ..... 28/06/05   186cm  86kg      Subiaco/Western Australia                    Forward/midfielder (+3)
17. Lance Collard ......... 26/03/05    185cm  66kg      Subiaco/Western Australia                    Forward (+7)
18. Riley Hardeman ...... 27/02/05   188cm  80kg      Swan Districts/Western Australia           Midfielder (-1)
19. Will McCabe ........... 29/09/05    197cm  81kg     Central District/South Australia             Key defender/forward (-1)
20. Ollie Murphy .......... 16/09/05    200cm  85kg      Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro           Key defender (-7)
21. Harry DeMattia ...... 11/09/05    184cm  77kg      Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country         Midfielder/forward (-1)
22. Archie Roberts ....... 18/11/05    184cm  77kg      Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro           Defender
23. Tew Jiath ............... 02/03/05    187cm  71kg      Gippsland Power/Vic Country                Defender (+2)
24. Charlie Edwards ..... 18/05/05     190cm  82kg     Sandringham Dragon/Vic Metro             Midfielder (+2)
25. Will Green ............. 08/09/05    204cm  89kg      Northern Knights/Vic Metro                  Ruck (-2)
26. Mitch Edwards ........ 02/06/05    206cm  88kg     Peel Thunder/Western Australia             Ruck (+1)
27. Archie Reid ............ 19/09/05    203cm  93kg     Gippsland Power/Vic Country                 Key forward (-6)
28. George Stevens ...... 10/08/05    189cm  93kg     GWV Rebels/Vic Country                       Midfielder
29. Pheonix Gothard ..... 07/09/05    178cm  72kg     Murray Bushrangers/Allies                    Forward (new)
30. Taylor Goad ........... 24/05/05     206cm  97kg     South Adelaide/South Australia             Ruck (new)

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1054452/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-top-draft-prospects-october-ranking

Dropped out from September's Top 30 rankings:

Jack Delean ........... 15/04/05     181cm  73kg     South Adelaide/South Australia             Forward (-2)
Ashton Moir ........... 15/04/05    188cm  84kg      Glenelg/South Australia                       Forward (-1)


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Re: 2023 AFL Draft
« Reply #164 on: October 20, 2023, 10:41:02 PM »
Richmond have had a third and final interview with midfielder George Stevens.

The expectation is that Richmond could trade up if Stevens gets to around pick 25-26. Richmond's main target is still not decided for the draft.

The expectation is Richmond will draft at least 2 players.

Don’t get twisted with this, clubs will interview up to 50 players within a month before the draft. This is no induction this is the player Richmond will select come draft night.

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