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Re: Changes for the Carlton game?
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2024, 07:53:54 PM »

I’d still make changes though .. I’d bring in every kid that they foresee being on the list next year

The whole lot

Think we're already doing that

Look at Dow (I hope Dio doesn't mind but need to add this)  :shh

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If the draft is our priority then Dow should be first picked..... :shh

Think Cumberland is your man then :shh

Hmm rising star nom,  33 goals in 23 games v the scared little speed bump who can't kick and has done stuff all in 31 games..... :shh


Cumberland runs around where the ball isn’t….time to give up and go bush.

Yet has somehow still managed to kick 33 goals in 23 games being where the ball isn't...as for Dow, we're far better off when he's where the ball isn't... :shh
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Re: Changes for the Carlton game?
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2024, 09:02:18 PM »
Hopper, Bauer and Blight in

Dow, Cumberland, Sonsie out

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Re: Changes for the Carlton game?
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2024, 09:09:38 PM »
I like so many others think Dow is a bust. The real concern what young mid is there outside of McAuliffe who they refuse to give a full game to anyway.

Dow keeps getting games because the pickings are so slim. He lacks in too many areas and these deficiencies are why he won't make it unless he can be reinvented somehow. Good luck with that.
He does alright when he can hit the ball on the edges of contests but he is a total liability in tight and on the spread his lack of penetration kicking and one sidesness with a lack of pace means he is unlikey to ever be anything but an on the edge mid.

Cumberland well hes had 14 touches in three games. I got lambasted last week because i dared ask what happens if he doesnt kick some goals.
This week no goals and 4 disposals no goals to salvage his game. His game is lacking but we cannot say it.

I felt sorry for him this week he is only 183cm he's a small medium player  and he got belted in the air on saturday i can only assume we were hoping he could take some marks. He is a small forward and needs the ball on the ground end of story. That aside i loike the thought of a goal kicking small fwd but we are not getting enough in other areas most of the time.

One concern was just how opponents ran away from him.

WE need goal kicking small forwards but we need them to be more than that. We need tackling quick defensive small forwards but we need them to be more than that.

Our small forwards imo just don't tick enough boxes.

Instead of slanging matches about how bad each player is how about a bit of common sense and just acknowledge that both atm are lacking in too many areas.Personally i think its time to cut our losses and move on with both.

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Re: Changes for the Carlton game?
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2024, 06:53:02 PM »
is Joel Garner eligible? if so i reckon he should be given  go...as well asSsmith

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Re: Changes for the Carlton game?
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2024, 08:44:53 PM »
is Joel Garner eligible? if so i reckon he should be given  go...as well asSsmith

Garner is on our VFL list not AFL so no; he's not an option
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Re: Changes for the Carlton game?
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2024, 08:55:53 PM »
Pick Blight already
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Re: Changes for the Carlton game?
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2024, 09:01:42 PM »
is Joel Garner eligible? if so i reckon he should be given  go...as well asSsmith

Garner is on our VFL list not AFL so no; he's not an option

Worth a rookie pick - especially if we lose a lot of experience in the off season....would also help balance out the age profile a bit...though I'm told he's more interested in pursuing a career in coaching....:shh
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Re: Changes for the Carlton game?
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2024, 01:18:46 PM »
9 players who have been heavily criticised or more to the point continue to be heavily criticised its been the same forever. they play too many below par games then have a decent game or two then its back to normal.
The decent games are the aberrations. They most weeks fail to have enough impact in a game.

The 9 most guilty of this this year who are in the team  are  Cumberland, Short, Graham, Dow, Sonsie, McIntosh, Mansell, Ralphsmith and Kossie. Outside of Sonsie who im yet to give up on, if the rest were cut it would not matter i cant see them being a part of any future successful team we may build.

What do we actually lose if most of them do not get a game this week?

Prestia for Dow. its a huge upgrade despite Prestia's body and longevity..
Hopper for Graham. same as above.
McAuliffe for Sonsie getting a full game.
Trezise for McIntosh. Enough is enough.
Smith for Shortsteps poos his pants.
Blight for Kossie  and Balta to chf no brainer atm.
Bauer for Cumberland.

Mansell is at least giving some defensive fwd pressure besides there is no one else putting their hand up for a sml fwd shot..
Ralpgsmith or Banks to sub

What do we lose? imo nothing.

The team would look like this with seven changes

Vlastuin - Miller - Broad
Brown - Blight - Smith

Rioli - Taranto - Trezise
Nankervis - McAuliffe - Baker

Campbell - Balta - Mansell
Bauer - Lynch - Bolton

Martin - Hopper - Prestia - Ralpsmith/Kossie

Ralphsmith/Banks

Is that not the way forward. Have the ins not put their hand up. Have those dropped really done enough consistently enough.

Imo if everyone was fit the only three id have in contention outside of that team would be Gibcus, Lefau, and Ross.

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Re: Changes for the Carlton game?
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2024, 08:20:11 PM »
What's with the love for Trezise?

Cant see it myself.  :help
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Re: Changes for the Carlton game?
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2024, 09:07:24 PM »
What's with the love for Trezise?

Cant see it myself.  :help

Neither. He'll get delisted IMO.

Wasted pick on a player type we simply don't need.

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Re: Changes for the Carlton game?
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2024, 09:49:01 PM »
What's with the love for Trezise?

Cant see it myself.  :help

Neither. He'll get delisted IMO.

Wasted pick on a player type we simply don't need.

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Re: Changes for the Carlton game?
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2024, 09:56:08 PM »
What's with the love for Trezise?

Cant see it myself.  :help

Neither. He'll get delisted IMO.

Wasted pick on a player type we simply don't need.

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Never been too impressed watching him play. Handful of players I think are better options at half back flank than him. Like others though I think we need to give him atleast a few games and then make a decision at end of season.

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Re: Changes for the Carlton game?
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2024, 10:17:40 PM »
Watching Carlton against Geelong, we are in big trouble next week.

Plus really enjoying them giving Geelong a touch up

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Re: Changes for the Carlton game?
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2024, 10:54:06 PM »
188cm still putting on size.

Goes hard,always competes and actually gets a lot of hbg. Lays tackles that stick is strong in the contest and is very good over head.
He has good pace and covers the ground real well.
Last he is very good at what all defenders should be that is he defends real well.

The only knock i can see is his kicking can be a bit scratchy at times, in saying that he plays with composure with ball in hand.

His debut game was fantastic and his second game was very servicable until he was injured in March.. Tough assignment as well playing on Ports Marshall and doing okay giving away so much height. Marshall got off the chain after Trezise went off.

He did not play another game until May and has mostly been given run with or specific stopping roles since.

He is a player we really need to look at imo of course. People have goes at me for supposedly writing players off too quickly which is  a falsehood.  im not writing anyone off after just two games in which he showed plenty and coming from a country league such a short time ago.  Because of injury hes basically been playing for us just over a season.  Seems others are but somehow manage to back in blokes who have been there for years and still struggle.

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Re: Changes for the Carlton game?
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2024, 11:41:28 PM »
lmao you regularly write off kids after 5 minutes...hell you've even been known to write 'em off on draft night... :shh
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