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« Reply #1425 on: May 27, 2012, 11:49:50 AM »
I  would drop jack.

If you are going to drop miller jack should go too.

Logic.

As jack has beeb equal bad. To that off miller.

An attempted whack at me I take it.

Stand by what I said. Up until yesterday Jack has struggled. Even Jack has said so. My point last week which clearly you  have either struggled to understand or just chose to ignore was that based on form after 8 rounds then if Miller had to be dropped after a bad game then based on a number of bad games you would be dropping Jack too. Or do we not apply the same rules to all players?

Jack was good yesterday, very good. He needed to stand up and he did. Now he needs to back it up not just this week but for the rest of the year.


thats jack and the club being political

he has been good all yr considering the preseason he had, he basically did a preseason during the  season
they knew he knew most of us knew it
\some ignored it

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« Reply #1426 on: May 27, 2012, 11:50:53 AM »
so i guess every key fwd at every club must be having crap yrs too cos as far as i know jack is second by just 1 goal, and he didnt get there based on one game

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« Reply #1427 on: May 27, 2012, 12:15:47 PM »
I  would drop jack.

If you are going to drop miller jack should go too.

Logic.

As jack has beeb equal bad. To that off miller.

An attempted whack at me I take it.

Stand by what I said. Up until yesterday Jack has struggled. Even Jack has said so. My point last week which clearly you  have either struggled to understand or just chose to ignore was that based on form after 8 rounds then if Miller had to be dropped after a bad game then based on a number of bad games you would be dropping Jack too. Or do we not apply the same rules to all players?

Jack was good yesterday, very good. He needed to stand up and he did. Now he needs to back it up not just this week but for the rest of the year.

Im not trying to 'whack' you. I just think your logic is flawed.

Jack is 23 and has kicked 220 AFL goals.
Miller about 29 / 120 goals. (season high 26).

If both players are in bad form you cannot just drop both. You have to think who has more talent and who will make more impact for RFC long term.

There are only so many players on the list.

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Re: Jack Riewoldt - Triple Coleman medallist [merged]
« Reply #1428 on: May 27, 2012, 12:18:45 PM »
You will never win a game off Miller's boot.

Jack on the other hand.........

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« Reply #1429 on: May 27, 2012, 12:55:15 PM »
One game boys. Yes he was great and so was the team but........

Friday is the big one. Haven't beaten the human slurry since 2003.

Collectively they all have to contribute to them winning on Friday.

If Jack plays well and kicks 3 and we win that's what matters.

Friday is the test IMHO for the whole club.

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« Reply #1430 on: May 27, 2012, 02:04:34 PM »
Jacks job was also made alot easier by a number of factors.

Midfield dominance and better delivery into f50. 
Small forwards contributing to defensive & score board pressure.
No Miller getting in his way or ruining his good work in f50.

Jack has the x factor about him. He's clever, creative & reads the ball in the air & is good at ground level. He also helps others by blocking, shepherding & assists.

Yesterday he lead by example also.   
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« Reply #1431 on: May 27, 2012, 02:16:04 PM »
Think he's starting to realize that he needs to lead at the footy more, which is pleasing.
He is very clever and creative in contested situations. I think that lovely clunk towards the end might be an indication of rising confidence.

Agree that he needs to back it up this week.

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« Reply #1432 on: May 27, 2012, 04:39:39 PM »
Think he's starting to realize that he needs to lead at the footy more, which is pleasing.
He is very clever and creative in contested situations. I think that lovely clunk towards the end might be an indication of rising confidence.

Agree that he needs to back it up this week.


Good oppurtunity to do so as well. Saints tall defenders are ass. Blake is the best of the lot :lol

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« Reply #1433 on: May 27, 2012, 06:50:30 PM »

Good oppurtunity to do so as well. Saints tall defenders are ass. Blake is the best of the lot :lol

Listening to Scott Waters on Game Day was hoping for Blake to continue to hold up as a ruckman cos they had no other options but to play him there at the moment.

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Re: Jack Riewoldt - Triple Coleman medallist [merged]
« Reply #1434 on: May 27, 2012, 07:07:49 PM »
Goes alright in the ruck. Competes well for a guy that would barely be 6'3.

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« Reply #1435 on: May 27, 2012, 07:13:27 PM »
Jacks job was also made alot easier by a number of factors.

Midfield dominance and better delivery into f50. 
Small forwards contributing to defensive & score board pressure.
No Miller getting in his way or ruining his good work in f50.

Jack has the x factor about him. He's clever, creative & reads the ball in the air & is good at ground level. He also helps others by blocking, shepherding & assists.

Yesterday he lead by example also.   

oh no jackstar will tell u he never leads by example, he is a sook , rants and waves and points his finger everywhere

LMAO
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Re: Jack Riewoldt - Triple Coleman medallist [merged]
« Reply #1436 on: May 27, 2012, 09:31:39 PM »
Only one goal behind in the Coleman medal race now...

Tom Hawkins     24
Jack Riewoldt     23
Stewart Crameri 23
Taylor Walker     23
Eddie Betts         21
Nick Riewoldt      21
Lance Franklin    21
Mitchell Clark     20

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« Reply #1437 on: May 27, 2012, 10:45:13 PM »
Amazing what happens when you convert your opportunities.
Go from zero to hero again.

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« Reply #1438 on: May 28, 2012, 10:42:48 AM »
Only one goal behind in the Coleman medal race now...

Tom Hawkins     24
Jack Riewoldt     23
Stewart Crameri 23
Taylor Walker     23
Eddie Betts         21
Nick Riewoldt      21
Lance Franklin    21
Mitchell Clark     20

excellent now he has a shiny carrot dangling in his face, that he will attack the ball for the team & kick goals each week  ;D

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Re: Jack Riewoldt - Triple Coleman medallist [merged]
« Reply #1439 on: May 29, 2012, 12:59:21 AM »
Where have all the goalkickers gone?
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TOM Hawkins leads the race for the Coleman Medal. He has 24 goals. It is a humble offering but it is the best we have got.

After nine rounds the leading goalkicker is averaging 2.6 goals a game. That sum would have him kick 58 goals by the end of the home and away season which would be the thinnest offering since Leigh Matthews won with 67 goals in 1975 and the least overall since John Peck's 56-goal season in 1965. So where have all the goalkickers gone? The answer is: they've been pressed.

This Coleman-lite year has been coming for two seasons, essentially since the press came into crushing vogue in 2010. In the last two years the Coleman Medal has been won with just 78 goals by Jack Riewoldt in 2010 and 71 by Lance Franklin last year.

The press, and with it the team defence mindset, has made the idea of the stay-at-home forward target as quaintly outdated as the man selling small bags of peanuts out of a sack.

''Teams are so much better and quicker at getting their mids back into the defensive 50 to block up space that there is just nowhere to lead to,'' former Geelong premiership forward Cam Mooney said.

''People have a go at Jack Riewoldt for standing in the goal square and pointing but it's because he has got nowhere to lead to. James Podsiadly [Geelong forward] said the same thing - 'you just can't find space'.''

Mooney said the change for forwards came in 2010 when Collingwood's Travis Cloke and Chris Dawes pioneered the model of the key forward leading to the wings for the release, or get-out kick, for the defenders. Since then all forwards are expected to be able to do likewise and push as hard up the ground as they do when they fold back at pace to fill the void in the forward line.

''I remember by the time I hit the logo [on the wing] I could not push back the other way. I was not fast enough or athletic enough and realised I had to give it away,'' Mooney said.

This in many ways should not surprise as the game across the board has become about team defence and offence.

''The defenders are pushing all the way up the ground when it is in the forward line and the forwards have to push up the ground when it is in the backline so that is why you are always getting 36 players in one half of the ground, they are all working that hard,'' Mooney said.

''The thing is you constantly feel out of position now as a forward.''

Former Essendon premiership full-forward Matthew Lloyd, who won the Coleman three times, similarly said that fast breaks from the centre bounce were now a full-forward's best chance at a one-on-one marking contest with a defender.

Players are now regarded as structure players as much as they were previously thought of as key goalkickers. So the tall forwards are normally not rated internally at their clubs by goals kicked (until contract time comes around and the CEO starts questioning why a non-goalkicking full-forward deserves big money) but rather on other duller measurables.

The key forward is no longer the prime avenue to attack, indeed he is now but the conduit for a plethora of others.

''With numbers pushing up the ground and breaking back into the forward line, when you do score now you are often on the burst and anyone can score then. Scoring as a whole has not gone down so who is scoring now is more spread,'' one assistant coach said.

Lloyd said unreliable goalkicking had also contributed to low totals. Franklin, for instance, has kicked 21.36 this season.

Lloyd believes more goals will be kicked as certain clubs begin to feel the pinch.

''As the season unfolds teams drop off defensively. I know my second half of seasons was better than the first half,'' he said. ''Teams that can't make the finals fall away and players go in for operations and games open up more so you will probably see someone kick an eight or nine in a game and then get up to about the 70 mark.''

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/where-have-all-the-goalkickers-gone-20120528-1zfgx.html#ixzz1wB0LExPc