Hawks fly, Tigers flounder - Lyon / Difference between us and Hawthorn is simply this.

[Bulluss]

Fairly handy performance by the Hawkers tonight!!!!

They had about 4 top ten draft picks out of their team tonight.

Gee, Wallace must be rapt to be at Richmond

Hawks are certainly a huge chance for a top 4 spot now

Why is this fascination with Hawthorn - don't understand it
WGAF

Well the topic is about RichvHawks, dont know why i would be talking about the hawks in this thread.

[Moi]

Well, I wonder why Lyon would compare us - who cares?
Gonna compare us with the Bombers, Carlton etc
Pointless exercise

Just interested in how the Tiges are going and I think we're on track!

[Bulluss]

Well, I wonder why Lyon would compare us - who cares?
Gonna compare us with the Bombers, Carlton etc
Pointless exercise

Just interested in how the Tiges are going and I think we're on track!

Yeah on track for our worst season in over a decade.

Can tell you that we will be making wholesale changes to our list again this year.

Players like JON who are meant to be coming through are struggling big time, and on the verge of player Coburg 2nd's.

I can see why you think we are on the right track.

[Moi]

Can tell you that we will be making wholesale changes to our list again this year.

Isn't this what RFC people wanted and are getting?
Too lazy to look up the name of players that have been delisted, moved on since Wallace has taken over - but he's doing exactly what we wanted.  The fact he has to decimate a team before he can start rebuilding and you expect the results you do is just in lalaville!

Have another look at Essendon's draft picks circa 2001-2 and see how many are still there.  Is this just a Wallace phenomenon again, that only he can pick players that can't make it 

I haven't given up on JON yet as you have!

[cub]

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[Life goes on]

Can tell you that we will be making wholesale changes to our list again this year.

Isn't this what RFC people wanted and are getting?
Too lazy to look up the name of players that have been delisted, moved on since Wallace has taken over - but he's doing exactly what we wanted.  The fact he has to decimate a team before he can start rebuilding and you expect the results you do is just in lalaville!

Have another look at Essendon's draft picks circa 2001-2 and see how many are still there.  Is this just a Wallace phenomenon again, that only he can pick players that can't make it 

I haven't given up on JON yet as you have!

I have, cant play.
Look at the picks that went after him in the draft.
Eg Higgins, Birchall. Varcoe, Swallow, etc.
No wonder tiger supporters are spewing.
Go and watch JON play, he runs to the wrong spots, cant kick and is timid.

[WilliamPowell]

I haven't given up on JON yet as you have!

I have, cant play.
Look at the picks that went after him in the draft.
Eg Higgins, Birchall. Varcoe, Swallow, etc.
No wonder tiger supporters are spewing.
Go and watch JON play, he runs to the wrong spots, cant kick and is timid.

I watch him every bloody week and I reckon......

He can play and will be a player of us.

Struth - hello he didn't have a full pre-season because he was injured. He's been in the system 2 years and has had injuries - not excuses just the away it is.

Yes he is struggling for form at the moment and down on confidence - so are a lot of players.

It happens, it is part and parcel of the game

[mightytiges]

I think a few Hawkers and some Richmond supporters who love them are getting a touch ahead of themselves. Where was all this flag talk last week when the Swans strangled them after giving the Hawks a 3 goal start . Whitnall and Saddington were Carlton's key defenders and O'hAilpin was in the ruck last night with Ackland off the ground. Last night was brilliant footy but they were allowed to since the "competition" was shocking and soft. The Hawks had 35 marks inside 50 and got 20 goals from them . If they had Franklin and Williams they would have won by 200 points.

I still don't see why we are compared to the Hawks anyway. The Hawks had only 3 players under 21 last night and their older players are in career best form because they don't have to carry the side since they have a 22-26 year old core now. Joel Smith had his best game in his career last night.

32: Crawford
30: J.Smith, Vandenberg
29: Dixon
27: Croad
26: Jacobs
25: Bateman, Clarke
24: Campbell, Guerra, Mitchell, Osbourne, Taylor, Williams
23: Boyle, C.Brown, Ladson, Sewell
22: Gilham, Hodge
21: Dawson, Lewis, Little, McGlynn, Thurgood, Young, Gibson#
20: Bailey, Franklin, Roughead, McEntee#
19: Birchall, Dowler, Ellis, T.Tuck
18: J.P.Kennedy, Morton, Renouf, Thorp, B.Collins#, Suckling#

Bold - 22 last night.

ps. If you're going to bag Wallace at least bag him for com
ments he actually said. Not what Garry Lyon claims he said  .

[evaluator]

Difference between us and Hawthorn is simply this. We have gone midfield first, they have gone KPP first.

Deledio, Tambling, Casserley, JON  Polo, Meyer, White, King, Howat, Edwards, Collins, Peterson, Clingan,Connors. Then McGuane, Thursfield, Hughes, Graham, Reiwoldt, Pattison, Polak.

This draft we need to 'catch up' to Hawthorn by picking 3 blokes 194-196 and 3 blokes 200cm or more.

I reckon we are not that far behind personally. But if we choose mids over KPP's again 

[julzqld]

Yes do we really need any more midfielders?

[cub]

In a way I have allways agreed with pick the best on offer first, no matter who or what they are.
But have to agree now, that we have a dearth of midsize and despartely need some bigger bodies out on the field.
So pick the best KPP first ....

[jezza]

Hawthorn may have focused on drafting talls in recent years, but that's not why they are winning games now. It's all the guys on their list that are that magical age and experience level that we hear Terry go on about all the time, they have all stepped up and are the ones contributing to them winning. Out of their recent draftees only really Franklin, Lewis and Birchall are making regular contributions.

[bluey_21]

Hawthorn may have focused on drafting talls in recent years, but that's not why they are winning games now. It's all the guys on their list that are that magical age and experience level that we hear Terry go on about all the time, they have all stepped up and are the ones contributing to them winning. Out of their recent draftees only really Franklin, Lewis and Birchall are making regular contributions.

  excellent post 

[FooffooValve]

plus i think we may have made mistakes with JON and Meyer as 1st round picks. hope to be proven wrong, but i don't see much there i'm afraid.

[bluey_21]

plus i think we may have made mistakes with JON and Meyer as 1st round picks. hope to be proven wrong, but i don't see much there i'm afraid.

JON has a heap of potential but it just seems that he has gone down hill since being drafted

Meyer just won't pull his head out of his arse