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Re: Judd threads [merged]
« Reply #420 on: October 04, 2007, 09:22:04 PM »
According to an Eagles fan, Trevor Woodhouse was just on 6pr. Basically he said negotiations have barely started. He says Carlton have yet to sit down and start serious negotiations yet.


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Re: Judd threads [merged]
« Reply #421 on: October 04, 2007, 09:23:25 PM »
Poor Josh Kennedy. He's getting theoretically shunted all over the place. Must be feeling really good about it all. Probably a prospective top line player himself.

he is about as good as jay shultz.

i watched Carlton a bit this year cause of the mrs and brother being members and he is a dud. He will be another 5 year proposition like Jay was and it will end up with the same result...
surely the eagles can see this and god forbid if the doggies dump that pick 5. If that happens i can safely say they will be bottom 4 next year
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Re: Judd threads [merged]
« Reply #422 on: October 04, 2007, 11:04:18 PM »
doggies wont give up pick 5 unless it is for a seasoned bloke not some young kid with the word potential beside his name.

the bloos are looking everywhere for that other pick when they have it already, i reckon they will give up 1 and 3. 

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Re: Judd threads [merged]
« Reply #423 on: October 05, 2007, 02:56:10 AM »
The Judd saga gets juicier. We're up to our eyeballs in it with both the Eagles and Carlton wanting us involved to screw the other.

Blues on prowl for new talent
Jake Niall | October 5, 2007 | The Age

Negotiations between Carlton and West Coast stalled yesterday in their first meeting since Judd nominated the Blues as his preferred club, with the Blues sticking to their position that the first draft pick was not on the table, while the Eagles want picks one and three and call Carlton's refusal to give up the first pick for Judd "insulting".

West Coast recruiting manager Trevor Woodhouse and Carlton football operations manager Steven Icke met yesterday, but neither party budged from their positions. The Blues did not offer the Eagles West Australian forward Josh Kennedy in their discussions yesterday, though an offer of pick three and Kennedy was believed to be the club's initial proposal.

West Coast chief executive Trevor Nisbett said his club would be interested in taking its discussions with Richmond further if its negotiations with Carlton did not bring about a deal.

Nisbett said Richmond director of football Greg Miller had "told us they're very interested if things don't work out with Carlton … Greg's got first pick in the pre-season, he knows exactly where he stands, he's been doing this for a very long time, so he knows what to do."


http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/blues-on-prowl-for-new-talent/2007/10/04/1191091278837.html

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Re: Judd threads [merged]
« Reply #424 on: October 05, 2007, 03:01:05 AM »
Blues to lock out Eagles for Judd
Greg Denham | October 05, 2007 | The Australian
 
CARLTON has masterminded a potential deal that could secure former West Coast captain Chris Judd.

The deal would work even if the Blues cannot strike a satisfactory trade deal with the Eagles.

The Australian yesterday learned of the plan to involve a third club -- Richmond -- which would provide win-win situations for both Carlton and the Tigers but would freeze out the Eagles, who could end up with nothing in compensation for losing their 2004 Brownlow medallist.

Carlton and West Coast were still in deadlock yesterday over a trade that would satisfy the Eagles and allow for a smooth transition for Judd to cross next week to Carlton, the club of his choice.

Should that stand-off continue, it is understood that the Blues will attempt to involve Richmond in a perfectly legal trade strategy, but one which could be perceived to be outside the spirit of the game.

The deal would involve Carlton swapping pick No3 for selection No18, Richmond's bonus second draft selection as a result of it finishing last this year with fewer than four wins.

The deal would probably also involve a fringe Richmond player being traded to the Blues.

In return, Richmond would bypass Judd in the pre-season draft in December where it has the first selection. The Blues would then be able to secure the Eagles premiership captain with the second pick.

That scenario would mean Carlton, in effect, gives up its second national draft selection for Judd and does not have to lose Josh Kennedy or its third selection (No20) to the Eagles.

"This is an absolute realistic proposition," a Carlton source said yesterday.

The benefit for Richmond if it agrees to the proposal is that the Tigers would end up with the second and third selections in the national draft and still retain their first pick of another uncontracted player in the pre-season draft.

While Richmond football director Greg Miller is not yet officially in the loop, the Carlton deal would have appeal as the Tigers are only a remote chance of either trading directly for Judd or getting him in the pre-season draft. The Tigers have not completely closed the door on Judd, but Miller last week told The Australian that he would be too expensive, even though Richmond has room in its salary cap.

Because Carlton has already reserved its priority draft pick for teenage Northern Knights ruckman Matthew Kreuzer, the Tigers, who are pinning their faith on a youth policy, would then have the choice of the next two best kids in the country.

Carlton's firm stance on retaining the No1 pick has created a verbal slanging match with the Eagles, and the war of words continued yesterday.

West Coast chief executive Trevor Nisbett threatened not to deal with the Blues.

"If they don't hand over the No1 selection, then he's not at Carlton, simple as that," Nisbett said. "That's the way it's been all the time.

"Hopefully (chief executive) Greg Swann and (general manager of football operations) Steven Icke can come to their senses, otherwise it is not going to happen. I find it staggering that Carlton doesn't think Chris Judd is worth the first pick in the draft."

The groundwork in attempting a satisfactory trade is being done by Icke and his West Coast counterpart Steve Woodhouse, who were both in Canberra yesterday at the draft camp.

Swann, who was told by club president Richard Pratt on Tuesday to follow the deal through after Judd picked the Blues, yesterday did not deny that Richmond could be involved in the Blues' bid to secure Judd.

"There's a lot of water to go under the bridge before we can say he's our player, but we're confident we can do the deal," Swann said on Tuesday.

Even before Carlton was nominated as Judd's top choice, the Blues took the initiative and offered the Eagles pick No3 and 20-year-old West Australian Kennedy, who has played 22 games in two years since he was the fourth player selected in the 2005 national draft. But it is understood that Kennedy is not keen to return to Perth.

While Carlton's proposal to involve Richmond will be scrutinised by the AFL, it does not break any league rules.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22532875-5012432,00.html

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Re: Judd threads [merged]
« Reply #425 on: October 05, 2007, 03:05:00 AM »
Carlton have no clue.  As if pick 3 is all we would accept to ignore Judd in the psd.  Try adding in Pick 20 and Kennedy and then we would consider it.

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Re: Judd threads [merged]
« Reply #426 on: October 05, 2007, 03:33:17 AM »
and then we fu*k the blues in the psd -lmao Pratty :thumbsup :thumbsup

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Re: Judd threads [merged]
« Reply #427 on: October 05, 2007, 07:37:28 AM »
and then we fu*k the blues in the psd -lmao Pratty :thumbsup :thumbsup

LMAO - Sen were saying Tigers wouldn't do that - Damn straight we would.
That would just be sooooooo funny   :rollin
Cotchin Morton and Judd - that would teach the tankers.
Doubt they would fall for it, but u never know  :pray

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Re: Judd threads [merged]
« Reply #428 on: October 05, 2007, 07:52:41 AM »
and then we fu*k the blues in the psd -lmao Pratty :thumbsup :thumbsup

LMAO - Sen were saying Tigers wouldn't do that - Damn straight we would.
That would just be sooooooo funny   :rollin
Cotchin Morton and Judd - that would teach the tankers.
Doubt they would fall for it, but u never know  :pray
That would be priceless :thumbsup

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Re: Judd threads [merged]
« Reply #429 on: October 05, 2007, 07:58:25 AM »
I would like to reiterate that the smart thing to do here is to jump in bed with the Eagles. Forget about Judd in the PSD - its a long long shot.

I'm 95% sure that if it came down to it Carlton would give up pick 1.

Miller and Nisbett should come out and claim that we are close to reaching a decision. Something like picks 2, 18, 19.

Carlton would offer up picks 1, 20 and Kennedy.

West Coast would then (officially or otherwise) reward us for our help with pick 1 for our help in exchange for pick 2.

It means that West Coast upgrade their pick to snare one of Cotchin, Kreuzer.

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Re: Judd threads [merged]
« Reply #430 on: October 05, 2007, 08:39:30 AM »
we should close the pick 3 for pick 18 + a player today. Its a great deal and gets us both Morton and Cotchin. If I was at Richmond Id close that deal today and sign it in to the AFL first thing on Monday morning.

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Re: Judd threads [merged]
« Reply #431 on: October 05, 2007, 08:53:40 AM »
the deal sounds good but why should we help the blues get judd when we can have him

why cant we force the blues to give give west coast pick 1 and 3, as a good will gesture , wce then give us pick 1 for 18

so we get pick 1 and 2 and west coast get 3 and the blues get judd

then we get both kruezer and cotchin/ or kruezer and morton/ or cotchin and morton...we will have a choice of whats best for us

but that will never happen

so imo, judd is a gun and we must do whats best for us and get him

we have to play both the wce and blues so by the end of trade week judd is in the psd and we get him and keep pick 2

so our options are

*judd in the psd , and keep our picks
*picks 1 and 2
*picks 2 and 3

whatever happens , rfc must be smart and get what best 4 us, whether judd is in the picture or not


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Re: Judd threads [merged]
« Reply #432 on: October 05, 2007, 08:56:46 AM »
time will certainly tell if we are puppets or very smart players in this game.

i for one is sick of being the loser when it comes to draft picks and so on, and would love to get something descent out of this draft as the hawks did a few years ago.

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Re: Judd threads [merged]
« Reply #433 on: October 05, 2007, 09:13:14 AM »
Carlton have no clue.  As if pick 3 is all we would accept to ignore Judd in the psd.  Try adding in Pick 20 and Kennedy and then we would consider it.
Agree LT. Carlton is trying to get Judd on the cheap by screwing everyone else. This is just a ploy to scare the Eagles into accepting less out of fear of getting nothing if this scheme went through. If the Blues want Judd then pay up bluepaperbaggers. I could live with picks 2, 3, 18, 19 and 20  ;D.

There's also the risk of ruining our good trade reputation in the future to gain pick 3 for 18. Look at Essendon and Collingwood. No one is willing to trade with them anymore so they miss out.

The good thing about all this is the value of our hand has increased again while the Eagles play hardball. Divide and rule  :thumbsup.

ps. Nice one Ox  :lol.
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Re: Judd threads [merged]
« Reply #434 on: October 05, 2007, 09:16:22 AM »
we all hate carlton but we have to do whats best for us. what can the eagles offer us?