Trade Week Debrief

[Francois Jackson]

Even though David Rodan seemed to have the commitment and work ethic while he was at Richmond, they still couldn’t get the sort of form out of him that Port was able to this year, so their solution was to let him go.  Perhaps they let the wrong person go.  You have to wonder sometimes.
we just have to wait and see and hope they know what they are doing.

your damm right there. krak was the guy who we ahould've let go.
he has been a big disapointment that guy and a complete waste of time in my book.
family problems yeah maybe he does but i dont get paid 250k-300k to produce what he has this year and even last

[Tigermonk]

laughable

Try and debate the point like an adult.

that is laughable 

[tigersalive]

laughable

Try and debate the point like an adult.

that is laughable 

Yeah you're right.  We'll probably never get that from you. 

[Tigermonk]

l explained it before
age got nothing to do with being successful

[mightytiges]

l explained it before
age got nothing to do with being successful

If that was true clubs would delist most of their players each year and draft 18 year olds as they are a far cheaper option.

Jake King was overlooked when he was 18 years old yet at 23 after going via the cape to work his way onto an AFL list he plays virtually every game. Maturity and  experience (as well as talent and hard work) have everything to do with success in the AFL.   

[tiga]

Totally agree MT. Everything you have said makes perfect sense.

If you look at the Bombers now..That was us a few years ago. Poor recruiting decisions and an ageing list. At least we have seen the light and realised we need a mixture of talented youth and experience and it will take time to get this balanced. Once we do get it right we need to ensure that smart recruiting continues to feed our club in an almost factory line precision from rookie to veteran. It will be players like Lids and Foley that the kids at our club will be looking up to now. This is where it has to start.

[mightytiges]

Too true tiga.

It will be players like Lids and Foley that the kids at our club will be looking up to now. This is where it has to start.

We all may have to get our head around the idea that the repair job may take longer than we would like it to whether Plough is around or not in the future with Lids, Foley and co. becoming the core that the rest of the side is built around. We must keep bringing more and more kids through via the draft each and every year no matter where we finish.

[mightytiges]

If you look at the Bombers now..That was us a few years ago. Poor recruiting decisions and an ageing list.

Here's the Essendon 2007 list out of curiosity (red means retired, traded or delisted since the end of the season). They had 11 players 28+ y.o. making up half their best 22. 5 have gone since the end of the season including their B&F and best player of a generation. There's one massive hole in the middle-age bracket which will be exposed fully now.

34: Hird
32: Camporeale, Fletcher
30: Michael
29: J.Johnson, M.Johnson, Lloyd, Lucas
28: Bolton, Heffernan, Peverill
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27: -
26: Hille, McVeigh, Ramanauskus#
25: -
24: Cole, Lovett, Lovett-Murray, McPhee, Welsh
23: Davey
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22: Dyson, Johns, Laycock, Watson, Winderlich
21: Bradley, Lee, Nash, Slattery, Stanton, Chartres#
20: Dempsey, Lonergan, Monfries, McKinnon#
19: Gumbleton, Hislop, Houli, Jetta, Neagle, Ryder, Hocking#
18: Reimers, Dick#


Oldies:   11 (6)
Mids:      9   (8 )
Youth:    24  (22)


Rucks  (>198cm):        5 (3) - Bradley, Fletcher, Hille, Laycock, McKinnon#
Big Talls (194-198cm): 6 (5) - Bolton, Gumbleton, Johns, Lee, Ryder, Chartres#
Talls  (190-193cm):      7 (7) - Lloyd, Lovett-Murray, Lucas, Michael, Neagle, Watson, Dick#
Tall Mids (186-189cm): 9 (6) - Cole, Heffernan, Hird, Hislop, McPhee, Nash, Welsh, Winderlich, Hocking#
Mids  (180-185cm):     15 (13) - Camporeale, Dempsey, Dyson, Houli,J.Johnson, M.Johnson, Lonergan, Lovett, McVeigh, Monfries, Peverill, Reimers, Slattery, Stanton, Ramanauskus#
Smalls  (<179cm):        2 (2) - Davey, Jetta

[mightytiges]

The Pies were also mentioned in this thread. Their list isn't as strong as Geelong with a gap in the 22-23 age range but 16 of their 23+ aged players are in their best 22 and they've formed the core of their side. The Pies also have got a good balance of talls vs smalls.


35: Buckley
33: Wakelin
32: Burns
31: Clement
30: Rocca
29: Licuria, Prestigiacomo
28: O'Bree
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27: Holland, Lockyer
26: Davis, Johnson
25: Bryan, Fraser, Medhurst, R.Shaw
24: Didak, Lonie, Maxwell, Richards
23: Swan
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22: -
21: Cox, Davies, H.Shaw
20: Cloke, Egan, Goldsack, Iles, O'Brien, Rusling, Thomas, Toovey, Wood, Nicholls#
19: Anthony, Cook, Dick, Dawes, Pendlebury, Stanley, Clarke#, Macaffer#, Wellingham#
18: Brown, Reid

Oldies:  8 (4)
Mids:   13 (12) 
Youth:  23 (22)


Rucks  (>198cm):        2 (2) -   Fraser, Richards, Wood
Big Talls (194-198cm): 6 (6)  Brown, Bryan, Cloke, Dawes, Reid, Rocca
Talls  (190-193cm):      9 (7)  Anthony, Clement, Cox, Goldsack, Maxwell, Pendlebury, Prestigiacomo, Rusling, Wakelin
Tall Mids (186-189cm): 8 (6)  Buckley, Cook, Davies, Egan, Lonie, O'Brien, Stanley, Toovey
Mids  (180-185cm):     14 (13)   Burns, Dick, Didak, Holland, Iles, Johnson, O'Bree, H.Shaw, R.Shaw, Swan, Thomas, Clarke#, Macaffer#, Wellingham#
Smalls  (<179cm):        5 (4)  Davis, Licuria, Lockyer, Medhurst, Nicholls#

[Francois Jackson]

Too true tiga.

It will be players like Lids and Foley that the kids at our club will be looking up to now. This is where it has to start.

We all may have to get our head around the idea that the repair job may take longer than we would like it to whether Plough is around or not in the future with Lids, Foley and co. becoming the core that the rest of the side is built around. We must keep bringing more and more kids through via the draft each and every year no matter where we finish.

agreed. its all up to lids, foley, kings because our senior core aint gonna win u a flag thats for sure.

i cant wait till they put sugar out of misery and take the captaincy off him and give it to foley or someone.

[Tigermonk]

The Pies were also mentioned in this thread. Their list isn't as strong as Geelong with a gap in the 22-23 age range but 16 of their 23+ aged players are in their best 22 and they've formed the core of their side. The Pies also have got a good balance of talls vs smalls.


35: Buckley
33: Wakelin
32: Burns
31: Clement
30: Rocca
29: Licuria, Prestigiacomo
28: O'Bree
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27: Holland, Lockyer
26: Davis, Johnson
25: Bryan, Fraser, Medhurst, R.Shaw
24: Didak, Lonie, Maxwell, Richards
23: Swan
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22: -
21: Cox, Davies, H.Shaw
20: Cloke, Egan, Goldsack, Iles, O'Brien, Rusling, Thomas, Toovey, Wood, Nicholls#
19: Anthony, Cook, Dick, Dawes, Pendlebury, Stanley, Clarke#, Macaffer#, Wellingham#
18: Brown, Reid

Oldies:  8 (4)
Mids:   13 (12) 
Youth:  23 (22)


Rucks  (>198cm):        2 (2) -   Fraser, Richards, Wood
Big Talls (194-198cm): 6 (6)  Brown, Bryan, Cloke, Dawes, Reid, Rocca
Talls  (190-193cm):      9 (7)  Anthony, Clement, Cox, Goldsack, Maxwell, Pendlebury, Prestigiacomo, Rusling, Wakelin
Tall Mids (186-189cm): 8 (6)  Buckley, Cook, Davies, Egan, Lonie, O'Brien, Stanley, Toovey
Mids  (180-185cm):     14 (13)   Burns, Dick, Didak, Holland, Iles, Johnson, O'Bree, H.Shaw, R.Shaw, Swan, Thomas, Clarke#, Macaffer#, Wellingham#
Smalls  (<179cm):        5 (4)  Davis, Licuria, Lockyer, Medhurst, Nicholls#

& it was the younger players who got Collingwood to the finals not the top 22 players
l know l go to most of there games they were a broken side this year & malthouse dumped players like Lica & Holland something Wallace dont do is dump named players
so you see a young side as l was pointing out just lost to Geelong by 5 pts just goes to show what l was talking about
so again its shows Richmond are nowhere near Collingwood even that we were 1 all this year & should have been 2-0 to us

[jezza]

Disagree, it was only 4 or 5 of the under 23's for the Pies that made any meaningful contribution. It was still the Burns's, Rocca's, Lockyer's, Maxwell's etc that got them there. I would put money on us having plenty more games played by our under 23's than theirs. I think the Pies will go backwards next season because of the amount of experience they have lost.

[mightytiges]

& it was the younger players who got Collingwood to the finals not the top 22 players
l know l go to most of there games they were a broken side this year & malthouse dumped players like Lica & Holland something Wallace dont do is dump named players
so you see a young side as l was pointing out just lost to Geelong by 5 pts just goes to show what l was talking about
so again its shows Richmond are nowhere near Collingwood even that we were 1 all this year & should have been 2-0 to us

11 U23 Tigers to just 6 U23 Magpies in each's respective 22 most games played this year.

Collingwood

25 - Burns, Lockyer, Swan, Maxwell, Cloke, H.Shaw, Thomas
24 - O'Bree, Davis  
23 - Rocca, O'Brien, Pendlebury
20 - Fraser  
19 - Johnson
18 - Didak    
17 - Medhurst, Wakelin, Goldsack
16 - Richards
14 - R.Shaw, Presitgiacomo  
13 - Clement
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12 - Bryan, Clarke
11 - Licuria
10 - Toovey
8 - Cox
7 - Holland
6 - Dick
5 - Rusling, Buckley
4 - Lonie
3 - Iles, Cook, Reid
2 - Stanley
1 - Egan, Nicholls

Richmond

22 - J.Bowden, Foley, Tuck, Johnson, Raines, Polak, Pettifer, Newman, Richo
20 - Tambling
19 - Deledio, Tivendale, King
18 - Pattison
16 - Edwards
15 - Howat, Jackson, Thursfield
14 - McGuane
13 - Hyde
12 - Schulz
11 - Brown
----------------- 22
10 - Simmonds
9 - Krakouer
8 - Polo, Riewoldt
7 - Moore, White, Hughes
5 - Gaspar
4 - Connors
3 - Oakley-Nicholls, Meyer, P.Bowden
2 - Graham, Kingsley
1 - Hartigan