Trade Week Debrief

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Re Trade week debrief - some people on here (and elsewhere) need to check themselves into therapy, because they need to take a good hard look at themselves after some of the disgraceful and extreme behaviour they displayed this last week.In particular, going ballistic before they even knew the facts and outcomes. They cetainly have a right to their opinion, but they also are in dire need of the psychiatrist's couch.

name names

xXx needs a shrink, well many think so anyway lol

i name myself

[Ramps]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Name Names Gordy boy

We're waiting 

[1965]

xXx needs a shrink, well many think so anyway lol

i name myself

You actually made sense a couple of times this week.

Definite cognitive changes happening and an expensive consultation is recommended.

 

[mightytiges]

back to back spoons is exactly what we need at Richmond. One more year at the bottom. The first 2 picks in next years national draft. We need more talent, we havent got enough of it at Richmond to win a flag.

And if that happens then Wallace will have met the requirements of his contract..

lol

As much as this was a touch tongue in cheek it's right. Plough's 5-year contract was to rebuild our list (basically from scratch) for the long-term.

ps. A belated happy birthday Gracie for last week btw   

[mightytiges]

beggers cant be chosers

but how can ppl say we didnt get what we need

common think about , we are teh clanger and turnover kings in the afl and every yr cry for a better skilled team

we now have added to very skilled and fast footballers to our list

we cont what we needed and as for kpp, well, we have a fb - thursty, we have a chb - polak we have a chf (plenty of them) we have ff ( see chf) and we have 3 rucks


i think too many supporters freak out too quickly

we need more skill more skill and more onballers

No disputing X we need skilled players but what happens if Simmo, Foley or Thursty cop an injury next year - we're stuffed just like this year with Simmo doing his ankle preseason. We need skill and depth down the spine and onball where games especially finals are won.

[Tigermonk]

we only got passed trade week we still got the drafts yet we can get what we need there plenty of talent out there 

[one-eyed]

A curious stat is we haven't traded away a player since Ottens and Fiora in 2004.

[Tigermonk]

A curious stat is we haven't traded away a player since Ottens and Fiora in 2004.

maybe cause our skill level is not upto standard
our players are poo & come from bad culture no-one wants them unless there been delisted & clubs know they can get them for free because we are known to just give up easy 

[Gracie]

back to back spoons is exactly what we need at Richmond. One more year at the bottom. The first 2 picks in next years national draft. We need more talent, we havent got enough of it at Richmond to win a flag.

And if that happens then Wallace will have met the requirements of his contract..

lol

As much as this was a touch tongue in cheek it's right. Plough's 5-year contract was to rebuild our list (basically from scratch) for the long-term.

ps. A belated happy birthday Gracie for last week btw   

Thanks for the birthday wishes MT

Yes the comment was tongue in cheek designed to get a predictable response from Jack - only took 6 minutes 

I get a laugh out of Jack's obession that we will sack Wallace next year.

Wallace was given 5 years to rebuild the list from disaster. Lids for example has just complete 3 full years and at 62 games he will now need to deliver - more will be expected of him. In comparison Edwards 16 games, Connors 4 games and Riewoldt 8 games are still 2 years from the same point. Whoever we get at #2 this year will be three years away.

Regardless of results next year I really cant see the sense in changing the long term plan and sacking Wallace. The idea when Wallace was appointed was to give him 5 years and then reassess the list at that point. The decision then is who is the best person to take us forward from 2010.

Wallace has been laughed at for his 2011 comment but this is exactly the plan.

And to help with the rebuilding how would picks #1 and # 2 be in next years draft go??

I don't know the predictions for the strength of next years draft but No 1 and 2 would deliver a quality tall or two one would think.

Does anyone think we will be in the 8 in the next two years regardless of who is coaching?
Look I would rather win games but realistically where will we be next year? 5 to 10 wins. What will that achieve?

Play the kids to get games into them - which will mean not many wins anyway - play Edwards, Connors, Graham, King, Jackson, McGuane, Peterson, Casserly, Riewoldt, #2 and #18. Play Schulz, Hughes, Meyer and JON for extended periods and find out about them for sure

Carlton have used the system so should we.

[mightytiges]

back to back spoons is exactly what we need at Richmond. One more year at the bottom. The first 2 picks in next years national draft. We need more talent, we havent got enough of it at Richmond to win a flag.

And if that happens then Wallace will have met the requirements of his contract..

lol

As much as this was a touch tongue in cheek it's right. Plough's 5-year contract was to rebuild our list (basically from scratch) for the long-term.

ps. A belated happy birthday Gracie for last week btw   

Thanks for the birthday wishes MT

Yes the comment was tongue in cheek designed to get a predictable response from Jack - only took 6 minutes 

I get a laugh out of Jack's obession that we will sack Wallace next year.

Wallace was given 5 years to rebuild the list from disaster. Lids for example has just complete 3 full years and at 62 games he will now need to deliver - more will be expected of him. In comparison Edwards 16 games, Connors 4 games and Riewoldt 8 games are still 2 years from the same point. Whoever we get at #2 this year will be three years away.

Regardless of results next year I really cant see the sense in changing the long term plan and sacking Wallace. The idea when Wallace was appointed was to give him 5 years and then reassess the list at that point. The decision then is who is the best person to take us forward from 2010.

Wallace has been laughed at for his 2011 comment but this is exactly the plan.

And to help with the rebuilding how would picks #1 and # 2 be in next years draft go??

I don't know the predictions for the strength of next years draft but No 1 and 2 would deliver a quality tall or two one would think.

Does anyone think we will be in the 8 in the next two years regardless of who is coaching?
Look I would rather win games but realistically where will we be next year? 5 to 10 wins. What will that achieve?

Play the kids to get games into them - which will mean not many wins anyway - play Edwards, Connors, Graham, King, Jackson, McGuane, Peterson, Casserly, Riewoldt, #2 and #18. Play Schulz, Hughes, Meyer and JON for extended periods and find out about them for sure

Carlton have used the system so should we.

Agree with all that Gracie. You either play kids and accept there'll be short-term pain for long-term gain or you don't. Whether the Club is that patient is another matter under pressure. On Plough, one thing I want from him is to add more pressure at training and be more hands on.   

Next year's draft is rated pretty highly already. Some of the kids would've been good enough to be picked up first round this year if they were eligible.

[Francois Jackson]

wallace will not be around in 2011. his dreaming.
 
as for the draft next year being strong well another spoon will get us the kids but can we handle yet another dismal year.

i certainly cant..

[Gracie]

Agree with all that Gracie. You either play kids and accept there'll be short-term pain for long-term gain or you don't. Whether the Club is that patient is another matter under pressure. On Plough, one thing I want from him is to add more pressure at training and be more hands on.   

Next year's draft is rated pretty highly already. Some of the kids would've been good enough to be picked up first round this year if they were eligible.

And exactly where is the pressure coming from ? Impatient success starved supporters?

At the end of 2009 Lids will at best have only played 106 games and all the other kids will have 30 to 100 games. Only then we will have a base to develop into a consistent finals performer.

More pain to come

[Tigermonk]

l dont know where some of you get the idea it takes 3 years for players to learn how to play to AFL standard football thats pure rubbish it only happens at Richmond
Go around watch other clubs train & then go watch some TAC U18s clubs train & you see them spend more time on the track they do most of there other stuff on the side cause thats what is required if you want to be drafted & they do hard training camps like AFL clubs
these draftees that come in are the crop of scouted Australian talented footballers picked by some of the best knowledged legends of the sport
they are mostly coached by highly regarded Coaches some legends of the game & most decorated players from AFL
They are prepared by clubs at very high standard to the quality of what AFL clubs train its the same training program
some clubs train harder than AFL clubs on the track & most of them train harder than Richmonds AFL team
the only thing going on at Richmond is the club holds back the youngsters

Look at Collingwood draftees for example; Thomas, Goldsack, Pendlebury from the day they arrived there been in the system how long & there standing out it didnot take them 3 years to get crowds excited well anything gets Skunks fans excited they all look up to wacko Joffa
Collingwood had some hard injuries this year yet still was 5 points off a Grand Final
thats what happens when you play names like Buckley when his injured & takes the place of a youngster it cost them dearly & he knows it thats why he was told to move on his career was costing them hard

Wallace has a problem of playing unfit players & even admitted it this year
thats holding the club back of playing youngsters & they start to lose interest at being at Richmond & want to move on
& thats damaging the club because Wallace will play Johnson Tuck Richardson Tambling Newman Brown Simmonds Krakouer l can go on & his not putting fit players on the field & that damages moral within the playing group cause players cant understand why they aint getting game time when they can give a bigger effort & injuries cooldown at halftime & Richmond lose the close games end of story would you not think

But if any of you think it takes time for young men to play bigtime football you should get out more have a look outside your own club
These kids are playing senior football against bigger rougher men at 15 -16 & there playing against the elite footballers of there age groups 17 -18 in carnivals & are dropped back to thier own clubs into seniors sometimes if injured back to the thirds to run out injuries & to dominate to get thier confidence soaring & will chuck them back to the elite level again
They have many coaches at one time cause when your breeding players at a elite level your also breeding elite coaches & trainers & umpires & it goes on & on thats why you see players like Hird & Gary Ablett Jnr give away precious medals & jumpers to people who help make them champions & will listen to them

Any player drafted is fit & ready to play league football from day 1 its the clubs that hold them back & Richmond hold the club back by drafting the weak lambs instead of getting the rams

[Francois Jackson]

l dont know where some of you get the idea it takes 3 years for players to learn how to play to AFL standard football thats pure rubbish it only happens at Richmond
Go around watch other clubs train & then go watch some TAC U18s clubs train & you see them spend more time on the track they do most of there other stuff on the side cause thats what is required if you want to be drafted & they do hard training camps like AFL clubs
these draftees that come in are the crop of scouted Australian talented footballers picked by some of the best knowledged legends of the sport
they are mostly coached by highly regarded Coaches some legends of the game & most decorated players from AFL
They are prepared by clubs at very high standard to the quality of what AFL clubs train its the same training program
some clubs train harder than AFL clubs on the track & most of them train harder than Richmonds AFL team
the only thing going on at Richmond is the club holds back the youngsters

Look at Collingwood draftees for example; Thomas, Goldsack, Pendlebury from the day they arrived there been in the system how long & there standing out it didnot take them 3 years to get crowds excited well anything gets Skunks fans excited they all look up to fooled Joffa
Collingwood had some hard injuries this year yet still was 5 points off a Grand Final
thats what happens when you play names like Buckley when his injured & takes the place of a youngster it cost them dearly & he knows it thats why he was told to move on his career was costing them hard

Wallace has a problem of playing unfit players & even admitted it this year
thats holding the club back of playing youngsters & they start to lose interest at being at Richmond & want to move on
& thats damaging the club because Wallace will play Johnson Tuck Richardson Tambling Newman Brown Simmonds Krakouer l can go on & his not putting fit players on the field & that damages moral within the playing group cause players cant understand why they aint getting game time when they can give a bigger effort & injuries cooldown at halftime & Richmond lose the close games end of story would you not think

But if any of you think it takes time for young men to play bigtime football you should get out more have a look outside your own club
These kids are playing senior football against bigger rougher men at 15 -16 & there playing against the elite footballers of there age groups 17 -18 in carnivals & are dropped back to thier own clubs into seniors sometimes if injured back to the thirds to run out injuries & to dominate to get thier confidence soaring & will chuck them back to the elite level again
They have many coaches at one time cause when your breeding players at a elite level your also breeding elite coaches & trainers & umpires & it goes on & on thats why you see players like Hird & Gary Ablett Jnr give away precious medals & jumpers to people who help make them champions & will listen to them

Any player drafted is fit & ready to play league football from day 1 its the clubs that hold them back & Richmond hold the club back by drafting the weak lambs instead of getting the rams

i agree 100%
3 years to develop only happens at punt Road. i hear that line with talls but only at punt road you hear that with talls and now midfielders too..

come on guys be serious pies perfect example. goldsack, clarke and pendelbury...3 guns. how long have they needed to develop???
i can go on to the hawks as well but i wont cause that just hurts.
wallace needs 5 years, well maybe but frawley had how man years too?? and look where that got us.
im not saying dump in because i believe it doesnt matter who is coaching this list is sub-standard and someone should take the fall from this crap that gets dished up every year. why dont we hire more in development. are they effing stupid or what
There is no way this list will get us into the 8 in the near future.

[Gordon Bennett]

3 years to develop only happens at punt Road.

not true.In fact, utter nonsense.