your VFL/AFL history is very short 50 years
Sorry I live in the modern era TM since tv was invented and I can watch our last 5 premierships on DVD
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In any case since we entered the comp in 1908 it's 10-12. Hardly a major difference given we were the newbies who had to start from scratch. No priority picks and no VFL giving us a $$$ handshake to attract good players in those days either.
Also take into account that since 1931 when the fairer modern finals system was introduced it's 8 flags to 5 our way. Before that under the old challenge system we had to beat the Pies two weeks in a row to win the GF compared to their once 3 years running. No wonder they won 4 in a row
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We've been crap the last 27 years but for the vast majority of our club's history it is a proud one and a lot better than most
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FACT: Collingwood has not defeated Richmond in a final since your grandfather was a twinkle in his father's eye TM
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l already stated in this thread they get beaten by us so l dont know why you trouble yourself you forgot to mention Richmond never goes on with it after they beat Collingwood cause they fall in a heap
The Pies have played in 4 finals series in the past 13 years compared to our two. Hardly something to boast about for either club.
l noticed you didnot mention the wooden spoon tally which is ??? l thought being so good with stats you might post that l'm surprised
Because spoons these days mean nothing except an early pick and possible priority pick. It doesn't have the stigma it use to before the draft was introduced. Under the stupid current draft system it's better to finish last than 9th.
Yes Collingwood did have poor seasons & drafted Thomas & Pendlebury & they go on with it & have them playing finals.
we get low draft picks most years & dont go anywhere & yet Deledio & Tambling have done nothing compared to Franklin, Roughead & Lewis at Hawthorn who are playing finals so young
If you go through your injured players for the skunks last year you will find others players you forgot to mention maybe you dont know them all
No we traded away most of our early picks prior to 2004 for recycled players from other clubs. Mostly duds too. Count the players still on our list from 5 years ago. Not many eh! That's why we are crap. The Hawks and Pies had just 5 youngsters (U23) playing most games last year compared to our 11. The Roos also have an experienced list as for financial reasons they can't go for youth and bottom out (they were flogged in two finals btw). So Hodge, Mitchell, Bateman, Campbell, Brown, Croad, Boyle, Osbourne, Sewell (Clarke and Williams were injured) all finally hitting their prime age at the same time after 6-7 years on their list had nothing to do with Hawthorn's rise last year! How many of those did Clarkson recruit .... ummm none. Where's our prime age core group to make up most of our team ... oh that's right we don't have one
apart from Petts, Newy and Cogs (injured since 2006).
As for the Pie injured players I missed. I have their 2007 playing list right in front me. Surely TM your not claiming Brodie Holland is a star player
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The mere fact that blinds you is that Richmond are so under developed & behind the other clubs you refuse to see it & dream there going to turn into something overnight with shocking skills which have not improved since before Frawley which no-one can denie
Everyone knows l hate Collingwood l use them as a example which l know peees you off but l do enjoy watching most of there games live because they produce good football & still got to the finals without there main backliners & old at that
oh no Presti broken down tonight get the band-aids out
I never said Richmond wasn't behind other clubs. We're in another universe behind Geelong, Hawthorn and the really talented lists. You chose Collingwood as an example of a success on-field club. I beg to differ and have shown why. A 13-9 record last year is middle-of-the-road form for any club let alone one that is favoured over everyone else by the draw. I wish we could have only 4 interstate trips and 10 games in a row in Melbourne to finish the season
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Anyway let's see how they do this year
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