Cogs thread [merged]

[Infamy]

There's still plenty who need to go before Cogs does
Worst case we keep him on as midfield depth for next year, best case he improves and becomes a regular in the side again

I think the slow ball movement issue is still largely caused by teammates not creating obvious options up field. Cogs clearly knows how to get the ball moving quickly in traffic, so not sure why that can't be transferred across to general play. He looked poor againt the Bulldogs when we got smashed, he looked poor against Port Melbourne when we got smashed (although he was listed in the bests)

[TigerLand]

I'm staggered at this.

Agree Cogs is slow in decision making which as a skill needs to be fairly tuned to be able to compete at AFL level.

Hardly constitutes the evaluation of the player being "finished". I just can't believe this.

There are so many skills and issues with players that need to be tuned to be able to compete at AFL level, speed of ball movement is quite minor in the scheme of things.

Cogs puts his head of the ball, can find the footy and works hard. Improving his ball movement speed can be worked on over a pre season.

I think we all getting a bit to happy with the cull gents. There are at least 6 or 7 that woudl need to go before Cogs if his ball speed can't be improved.

It would be an extremely sad sad day at Punt Road if Cogs was pushed out the door and a Jordan McMahon was still inside simply because he has another year of a contract left. Very very sad.

[WilliamPowell]

I'm staggered at this.

Agree Cogs is slow in decision making which as a skill needs to be fairly tuned to be able to compete at AFL level.

Hardly constitutes the evaluation of the player being "finished". I just can't believe this.

I think there are plenty of others who are finished (or should be) pope but this thread is about Cogs

Cogs puts his head of the ball, can find the footy and works hard. Improving his ball movement speed can be worked on over a pre season.

I doubt that you can. We are not talking about someone who has been in the system 2 years we are talking about someone who's been around what 6-7 years? He had this entire pre-season (bar 4-5 weeks) to work on it. He has always been slow by foot but now there seems to be question marks over his movement by hands coupled with the slow/poor decision making.

I think we all getting a bit to happy with the cull gents. There are at least 6 or 7 that woudl need to go before Cogs if his ball speed can't be improved.

As I said above I agree there are others but....

It would be an extremely sad sad day at Punt Road if Cogs was pushed out the door and a Jordan McMahon was still inside simply because he has another year of a contract left. Very very sad.

It maybe sad but it is the harsh reality of the business.

[TigerLand]

Yeh look true that its a thread about Cogs but in reality only so many wont be on our list next year and in relation to his worth to the side he's not in the bottom 10 and will be round next year surely.

With a pre season under his belt with less to worry about than previously getting his body right he can now work on areas that needs working on. I personally think he deserves that chance.

[Stripes]

I would delist Johnson and Petts before Cogs but thats it. The other players I would delist including Simmonds, Bowden, Brown, Polak, King (trade) and McMahon (trade), would all have more value to the list IMHO, than Cogs would.

It's sad to say but with our midfield improving, Cogs is far from a crucial component of the team now. We have far too many players who play a similiar role to him but who are both more skillful and faster on the list for us to keep hoping he will regain his B&F form. The same can be said with Browny but at least Brown still has the finishing skills.

I think unless he does something miraculous for the rest of the year, at 27, it is time for him to more aside for a younger player.

Stripes

[torch]

I would delist Johnson and Petts before Cogs but thats it. The other players I would delist including Simmonds, Bowden, Brown, Polak, King (trade) and McMahon (trade), would all have more value to the list IMHO, than Cogs would.

It's sad to say but with our midfield improving, Cogs is far from a crucial component of the team now. We have far too many players who play a similiar role to him but who are both more skillful and faster on the list for us to keep hoping he will regain his B&F form. The same can be said with Browny but at least Brown still has the finishing skills.

I think unless he does something miraculous for the rest of the year, at 27, it is time for him to more aside for a younger player.

Stripes

agree 100% with you 'Stripes'.

Pettifer, Simmonds, Bowden, Brown, Polak, King, McMahon, Oakley-Nicholls (off Richmond's list) before we look at Coughlan.

if any of these players are left on Richmond's list and Coughlan is gone, there is still a disease at Richmond. Coughlan is not a disease really.

[mightytiges]

Today pretty much confirmed Cogs is another who should retire. Too slow and footskills not good enough anymore. Sadly another Tiger crueled by injury  .

[Hellenic Tiger]

The Dreamtime game in May for me signed his epitaph. Too slow and that play in the third that night when he failed to dish off and got tackled on the 50 at a time when another goal would have made it hard for the Dons just before their comeback that night. 

Too slow
No penetration in his kicking anymore either. Can't kick beyond 40.
Pace of the game has gone past him.
Another what might have been story just like Brown if they weren't ravaged by injuries.
Key forward and key midfielder we only fleetingly saw the best of but never together in the same game and at the same time.

[mightytiges]

Plough on SEN just before 5pm talking about Cogs:

"No one has worked harder to get back from injury but yeah I think it's over for him. Sadly footy waits for no one." Francis replied it's a big decision for the new Richmond coach to make.

[Francois Jackson]

Not sure 100% if Plough meant Browny as I only caught the middle and end parts but Plough said on SEN just before - "No one has worked harder to get back from injury but yeah I think it's over for him. Sadly footy waits for no one." Francis replied it's a big decision for the new Richmond coach to make.

cogs he was referring to

[mightytiges]

Not sure 100% if Plough meant Browny as I only caught the middle and end parts but Plough said on SEN just before - "No one has worked harder to get back from injury but yeah I think it's over for him. Sadly footy waits for no one." Francis replied it's a big decision for the new Richmond coach to make.

cogs he was referring to

Ta daniel. I'll edit my post and get the admin to move it to the Cogs thread.

[the_boy_jake]

Plough on SEN just before 5pm talking about Cogs:

"No one has worked harder to get back from injury but yeah I think it's over for him. Sadly footy waits for no one." Francis replied it's a big decision for the new Richmond coach to make.

Not a big decision if you've watched him play footy this year. Its an easy decision to make, a difficult one to deliver, but the right decision nonetheless.

[mightytiges]

Not a big decision if you've watched him play footy this year. Its an easy decision to make, a difficult one to deliver, but the right decision nonetheless.

Yep sadly Cogs is gone and the Club should give him a farewell game this week. It won't be a popular decision though amongst some supporters who still see Cogs as he was in 2003.

[Jackstar is back]

Not a big decision if you've watched him play footy this year. Its an easy decision to make, a difficult one to deliver, but the right decision nonetheless.

Yep sadly Cogs is gone and the Club should give him a farewell game this week. It won't be a popular decision though amongst some supporters who still see Cogs as he was in 2003.

Unfortunately he has shown nothing, and he knows it to.

[mightytiges]

Not a big decision if you've watched him play footy this year. Its an easy decision to make, a difficult one to deliver, but the right decision nonetheless.

Yep sadly Cogs is gone and the Club should give him a farewell game this week. It won't be a popular decision though amongst some supporters who still see Cogs as he was in 2003.

Unfortunately he has shown nothing, and he knows it to.

And more a case he can't show anything even if the mind is still keen as the body is gone for AFL level.