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Toothless Tigers? (ABC)
« on: May 19, 2008, 03:05:37 PM »
Toothless Tigers?
Dan Lonergan | abc.net.au | May 19, 2008

Grandstand's Dan Lonergan questions whether Richmond is making progress in its bid to break a seven-year finals drought.

Richmond endured a dreadful year in 2007, winning just three games and posting a draw.

It was little wonder then that it claimed the wooden spoon, so in its quest for improvement this year they were coming off a low base.

So far the Tigers have performed better, winning two and drawing another. This compares favourably to their progress at this stage last season when they had been well beaten in their first eight encounters.

The Tigers have been pretty competitive this year, beating Carlton and Fremantle easily and earning a draw against the undefeated Western Bulldogs.

They have also suffered narrow losses to Hawthorn and St Kilda, as well as pushing another team at the weekend, defending premiers Geelong.

This form guide indicates they are slowly on the rise, but whatever way you look at it, they still have only tasted victory once since round one and sit in 12th place on the ladder on 10 points.

They should have beaten the Western Bulldogs, who they led by three goals inside the last five minutes before seeing Rodney Eade's mob snatch a draw at the death. They also had the better of the Saints in their round seven clash, but fell three points short.

And although they got within 12 points of Hawthorn, the Hawks did kick badly and should have thrashed them.

Tigers supporters are an impatient lot and would be sick and tired of these brave performances, which have produced few victories and I am sure privately the coaching staff would be just as frustrated.

They are blooding young players and the likes of Brett Deledio, Shane Edwards, Will Thursfield and Richard Tambling are developing nicely as senior footballers. On the weekend, their number one draft pick of last year, Trent Cotchin, made his debut and showed he will be a good player.

The Tigers though, still have a flawed recruiting policy in that they always trade away one early draft pick. Last year they gave up pick 19 to the Western Bulldogs for Jordan McMahon, who has produced mixed performances so far.

The good news is that unless there is an implosion and West Coast, Fremantle and Melbourne perform better than they are at the moment, the Tigers will stay away from the bottom.

At times they play attractive football and have been more than competitive, but now is the moment or the credible displays and honourable losses to be turned into regular victories.

http://blogs.abc.net.au/grandstand/2008/05/toothless-tiger.html?site=afl

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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2008, 04:22:34 PM »
great read.

Its true these near wins are both pointless and useless.

look at freo, they nearly beat the buldogs..well they didn't and neither did we. nor did we beat the saints, hawks or geelong.

I dont care what the result we r still losing and its part of a losing culture.

Im saying this right now a loss against the bombers and we can kiss our season goodbye. I think we will win but i say watch out if we dont, as we have the swans and adelaide to come after that..
then you may find the call for draft picks may be louder than a call for a win.

time will tell
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2008, 04:56:28 PM »
The Bulldogs have proved once again just how good a side they are & fight right to the final siren every week
They done it so many times you just cant help but admire them for thier fight to win every week
They are one of the best sides in the comp
Richmond although losing, l would say thier losing but improving greatly
they just have to hang in there & learn each others style & play to the game plan & beat thier opponants & wins will come
the article is a very good read & true, we need to beat the bombers but also to prove to everyone we have improved this year, we have to beat them by a huge score & get our percentage up  :thumbsup

its going to be a black day for the bombers  ;D get it a black day  :rollin

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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2008, 06:23:05 PM »
great read.

Its true these near wins are both pointless and useless.

look at freo, they nearly beat the buldogs..well they didn't and neither did we. nor did we beat the saints, hawks or geelong.

I dont care what the result we r still losing and its part of a losing culture.

Im saying this right now a loss against the bombers and we can kiss our season goodbye. I think we will win but i say watch out if we dont, as we have the swans and adelaide to come after that..
then you may find the call for draft picks may be louder than a call for a win.

time will tell

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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2008, 09:54:27 PM »
Toothless Tigers?
Dan Lonergan | abc.net.au | May 19, 2008


The good news is that unless there is an implosion and West Coast, Fremantle and Melbourne perform better than they are at the moment, the Tigers will stay away from the bottom.

http://blogs.abc.net.au/grandstand/2008/05/toothless-tiger.html?site=afl

What ... No Essendon ???

C'mon Dan, are you sure that you are not Rohan Conmanolly in disguise ?

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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2008, 10:27:01 PM »
Toothless Tigers?
Dan Lonergan | abc.net.au | May 19, 2008


The good news is that unless there is an implosion and West Coast, Fremantle and Melbourne perform better than they are at the moment, the Tigers will stay away from the bottom.

http://blogs.abc.net.au/grandstand/2008/05/toothless-tiger.html?site=afl

What ... No Essendon ???

C'mon Dan, are you sure that you are not Rohan Conmanolly in disguise ?

lets just hope we beat the bombers..our season will be worthless if we cant put the likes of carlton, freo, dee and bombers away
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2008, 01:26:36 AM »
hey dan, eveytime i read your posts i find its like your scared we might win.

your afraid we might actually do well but if we do, we will only end up being crap again.

heres some things you might want to consider...

both burger teams (our juniors) are going great guns

our game has improved ten fold this year

and theres no more walk starts into the ones anymore.

its not all doom n gloom when you look at the bigger picture :thumbsup

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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2008, 05:00:52 AM »
hey dan, eveytime i read your posts i find its like your scared we might win.

your afraid we might actually do well but if we do, we will only end up being crap again.

heres some things you might want to consider...

both burger teams (our juniors) are going great guns

our game has improved ten fold this year

and theres no more walk starts into the ones anymore.

its not all doom n gloom when you look at the bigger picture :thumbsup

do you blame me? come on mate i am more than happy with our efforts off the field in terms of money.
the cogs issue highlights our success in turning the club around as we now can afford to send players away for radical treatment. so im happy on that regard.
those issues you have highlighted are fantastic and it shows our depth and the fact that you are not picked by your name anymore at the RFC.

we just need to start winning games. thats what instills confidence in your team, supporters and everyone around the club.

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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2008, 08:31:22 AM »
we just need to start winning games. thats what instills confidence in your team, supporters and everyone around the club.
You are right and unfortunately that's going to be the last piece of the puzzle to fall into place.

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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2008, 09:47:01 AM »
Toothless Tigers?
Dan Lonergan | abc.net.au | May 19, 2008

The Tigers though, still have a flawed recruiting policy in that they always trade away one early draft pick. Last year they gave up pick 19 to the Western Bulldogs for Jordan McMahon, who has produced mixed performances so far.

Let's not let the facts get in the way of a good story hey Dan?

Since 2003 (Miller's reign) here are our trade results:

2003 - Got Brown for picks 6 & 20, traded Holland for pick 21.  Net result - got Brown for 1 high pick.

2004 - Traded Ottens for picks 12 & 16.  Net result - got 2 high picks.

2005 - Got Bowden for pick 56.  Net result - no change in high picks.

2006 - Got Polak & pick 13 for pick 8.  Net result - Polak for swapping high pick.

2007 - Got McMahon for pick 19.  Net result - got McMahon for 1 high pick.

So in summary, for the last 5 years we have spent 1 high pick for Nathan Brown, 1 high pick for Jordan McMahon, received Graeme Polak for swapping a high pick, and received 2 high picks for losing Brad Ottens and Ben Holland.  How this journo can possibly make such an inaccurate, unresearched statement is beyond me.  I would be willing to bet that this trading would be as good as most other clubs over the same period and certainly be better than a lot of them.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - it's very, very hard to rid yourself of perceptions.  Just look at how many still bring up the old chestnut "Richmond are cut-throat savages when it comes to sacking coaches".  Even when we only sacked one coach since the 1980's (Walls in 1997) and our last 2 coaches have been in place for 9+ years with stuff-all success.

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Re: Toothless Tigers? (ABC)
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2008, 12:35:32 PM »
IT'S TIME TO DELIVER BOYS  :gotigers

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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2008, 01:23:24 PM »
hey dan, eveytime i read your posts i find its like your scared we might win.

your afraid we might actually do well but if we do, we will only end up being crap again.

heres some things you might want to consider...

both burger teams (our juniors) are going great guns

our game has improved ten fold this year

and theres no more walk starts into the ones anymore.

its not all doom n gloom when you look at the bigger picture :thumbsup

do you blame me? come on mate i am more than happy with our efforts off the field in terms of money.
the cogs issue highlights our success in turning the club around as we now can afford to send players away for radical treatment. so im happy on that regard.
those issues you have highlighted are fantastic and it shows our depth and the fact that you are not picked by your name anymore at the RFC.

we just need to start winning games. thats what instills confidence in your team, supporters and everyone around the club.

fair enough 61. im sure they know we need to win those games not give them away.

IMO, were at the stage in our development where we cant expect the them to win consistenly, YET.

To me they're still a youngish team, but judging by this years performances so far they're not as far away as i thought at the biginning of the season.

while like you, im not entirely happy we've lost winnable games but im buoyed by the fact that we're seeing improvement in critical areas that in the past we've really struggled in especially defensive pressure.

basically im excited about our future moreso than ever before over the last 28 years of pain.

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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2008, 03:09:20 PM »
Toothless Tigers?
Dan Lonergan | abc.net.au | May 19, 2008
And although they got within 12 points of Hawthorn, the Hawks did kick badly and should have thrashed them.

Tigers supporters are an impatient lot and would be sick and tired of these brave performances, which have produced few victories and I am sure privately the coaching staff would be just as frustrated.

They are blooding young players and the likes of Brett Deledio, Shane Edwards, Will Thursfield and Richard Tambling are developing nicely as senior footballers. On the weekend, their number one draft pick of last year, Trent Cotchin, made his debut and showed he will be a good player.

The Tigers though, still have a flawed recruiting policy in that they always trade away one early draft pick. Last year they gave up pick 19 to the Western Bulldogs for Jordan McMahon, who has produced mixed performances so far.

The good news is that unless there is an implosion and West Coast, Fremantle and Melbourne perform better than they are at the moment, the Tigers will stay away from the bottom.

At times they play attractive football and have been more than competitive, but now is the moment or the credible displays and honourable losses to be turned into regular victories

Lots of 'should haves' in the world. Crap argument in regards to the Hawthorn game.

To say we have a flawed drafting policy soley on McMahon also crap. It was a poor peice of work but not big picture. Getting Morton - Was rated top10 2004 draft and Collard, also highly rated 21 and 19 years olds, Gourdis in PSD I see were overlooked.

Shyte peice of work that article.

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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2008, 03:41:09 PM »
In regards to the "drafting" flaws, 14 of our team that played on the weekend have been drafted/traded/rookie elevated by us since 2004. That's a pretty good strike rate, and their are plenty of others waiting patiently for their turn.
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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2008, 04:04:41 PM »
the drafting hasn't been all bad...kingy and foley as rookie deserves a big pat on the back...

i am just not happy about mcmahon.
some of you may say he is the whipping boy at the moment but thats not true.
ever since we picked him up i have been unhappy with the trade and he has done nothing to change my mind.

It should have been youth we go for in every draft and although he is 24 i dont think he will assist us in any way shape or form to make top 4 or even win the flag..
he is a outside defender with mediocre skills only when there is no other opposition player within 10 metres of him.
other teams dont care if he gets 35 possy's even cause they dont hurt you in any way, plus he will turn it over eventually..
I dont have a problem with him against the likes of Blues, bombers, freo etc etc it is against the likes of hawks and geelong that i cringe every time he goes near the ball. he seems to fall into his werribee shell of last year against the good teams..

raines for mcmahon should be a formality if wallace is serious..

raines is at least hard at the ball, never affraid to get in there and get the hard ball..
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