Author Topic: Goodbye: Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer  (Read 8345 times)

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Re: Goodbye: Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer
« Reply #45 on: June 08, 2008, 05:11:48 PM »
Leave Tivs in the side for the rest of the year. Let him say goodbye to us all with his cavalcade of whimsy. Petts can join as his sidekick so can Hyde. Some people think Bowden has been good personally I haven't but each to their own opinions. Leaving them in will hopefully ensure we remain on 3.5 wins and we get Natanui through our well deserved priority pick. Surely as the worst performed side in 26 years with only two finals app's we deserve the priority pick rather than giving it to a new franchise or a side who has won flags or another who has been fairly competitive  during our slumber only to get it ahead of us only due to their recent failings. Use the system to advantage people. You'd find loopholes when doing your tax a month from now why should this be any different. The returns will be very profitable.

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Re: Goodbye: Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer
« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2008, 06:41:40 PM »
Some people think Bowden has been good personally I haven't but each to their own opinions.
You're getting soft, HT.  ;)

Took until the last quarter to see something through your Bowden blinkers to snipe him about.  :D
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Re: Goodbye: Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer
« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2008, 07:11:32 PM »
Some people think Bowden has been good personally I haven't but each to their own opinions.
You're getting soft, HT.  ;)

Took until the last quarter to see something through your Bowden blinkers to snipe him about.  :D

In reality Fishfinger all Tiger fans have the Bowden Blinkers on in some capacity. The thing that differs is some of us see an entirely different picture than the others when we have them on. Totally opposite ends of the scale either very very good or either very very bad I wouldn't call me going soft on him as I am very vehement in my opposition of him in the side and the fact that our poor results other than the Essendon game has more than coincided with his return in the side. You just can't keep on reiterating the same thing about the same person over and over again but that is my opinion of him. May not agree with some posters here and their opinions of him but as I said that is their own opinions and I respect that. We are all different. :thumbsup

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Re: Goodbye: Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer
« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2008, 07:43:00 PM »
We actually started playing competitive football against the Dockers, Dogs, Hawks, Cats and Saints and with a bit of luck may have won at least two maybe three of those games.  These games were played without your Pettifer's, Tivendale's and Bowden's but slowly they have been brought back and now we are starting to play like we did earlier this year, similar to previous years.  Forget the Essendon game, they are crap and in fact the way we started we should have won by more than 10 goals.  Our losers culture still exists and until we finally accept that these inept players need to be placed in the scrap heap the better.  Wallace do yourself a favour and place some faith in the youth and they may surprise you again.  Get rid of the players that can't improve us, NOW!!!!  Remember all tigers supporters we have only been in two final series since 82.   :'(

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Re: Goodbye: Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer
« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2008, 07:49:09 PM »
We actually started playing competitive football against the Dockers, Dogs, Hawks, Cats and Saints and with a bit of luck may have won at least two maybe three of those games.  These games were played without your Pettifer's, Tivendale's and Bowden's but slowly they have been brought back and now we are starting to play like we did earlier this year, similar to previous years.  Forget the Essendon game, they are crap and in fact the way we started we should have won by more than 10 goals.  Our losers culture still exists and until we finally accept that these inept players need to be placed in the scrap heap the better.  Wallace do yourself a favour and place some faith in the youth and they may surprise you again.  Get rid of the players that can't improve us, NOW!!!!  Remember all tigers supporters we have only been in two final series since 82.   :'(

Someone has bought the authentic Bowden Blinkers not the replicated cheap pair you get in Bali and Bangkok for $2 along with the Pettifer and Hyde shades.  :thumbsup

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Re: Goodbye: Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2008, 07:53:50 PM »
The sleeping giant may have awaken twice in the last 25 years but it only opened it's eyes for moment.  It appears as though this same giant is now falling into a coma.  Quick before we lose the pulse forever.

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Re: Goodbye: Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer
« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2008, 07:54:23 PM »
i remember saying last year how much of a better player leon davis was compared to petts and got blasted by a few people on this forum.

where are you people now.

petts is not even 5% of the player leon is
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Re: Goodbye: Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer
« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2008, 08:02:39 PM »
The sleeping giant may have awaken twice in the last 25 years but it only opened it's eyes for moment.  It appears as though this same giant is now falling into a coma.  Quick before we lose the pulse forever.

Quick, means get rid of the cancer thats currently there.

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Re: Goodbye: Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer
« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2008, 08:24:06 PM »

Someone has bought the authentic Bowden Blinkers not the replicated cheap pair you get in Bali and Bangkok for $2
Hope they're not the same brand as the delusional blinkers you wore to round 22 in 1998.  :)

I still shake my head at your claim (on more than one occasion) that just turned 20yo Bowden running across goal and getting caught by Neitz cost us the game.  :nope We were smashed from start to finish all over the ground and lost by 13 goals yet you managed to single him out.
 
That's dedication to your anti-Bowden cause.
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Re: Goodbye: Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer
« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2008, 08:47:25 PM »

Someone has bought the authentic Bowden Blinkers not the replicated cheap pair you get in Bali and Bangkok for $2
Hope they're not the same brand as the delusional blinkers you wore to round 22 in 1998.  :)

I still shake my head at your claim (on more than one occasion) that just turned 20yo Bowden running across goal and getting caught by Neitz cost us the game.  :nope We were smashed from start to finish all over the ground and lost by 13 goals yet you managed to single him out.
 
That's dedication to your anti-Bowden cause.


Ok Fishfinger I will justify my case here it is
This in a game we needed to lose by no more than 4 goals to keep Essendon from making the finals.

Dees kick 5.5 to 1.2 in 1st quarter including 3 goals in opening 5 minutes. Somehow we restrict the  bleeding to 27 points at quarter time. Somehow against  the flow we scrounge our way back into the game and by time on in the second quarter are looking good with more of the play and trail by 11 points when a suicidal run from the members 50 city end goal towards centre half back ignoring options is thwarted by a Neitz tackle. Goal dees out to a 4.3 to 6.8 lead their one and only goal of the quarter but in the context of the game and our season very defining. Every head wearing black and yellow drops. Momentum shifts never to return Dees get two more points to go in at half time 19 points up and give us a temporary respite from the 13.9 to 4.6 barrage we endure in our second half to end our season. If all Bowden lovers can talk about his 1997 game when he kicked 4 goals in a quarter as a 19 year old then your skin also needs to be a little thicker when reference is made to the 20 y.o Bowden's calamitous momentum shifting error. You know the one Bowden does gets caught from behind as he's running in slow motion like its his God given right to have the remainder of the quarter to dispose of the footy. I can actually recall a similar thing occurred in rd 2 2004 ironically against Melbourne in the second quarter also but the margin at the time was much greater than in the 1998 game when that incident occurred so although not game changing was still quite poor nonetheless from a so called senior player with skill poise calmness. Must be prepared to talk about the good and the bad with Bowden. The man is at his best when the pressure is off and the result of the game is either meaningless in the long term, or well established and entrenched by that stage of the game. The sooner he is gone the better. Play the kids let him take votes off Tivendale for the Liston Medal at Coburg as well as the Burger best and fairest.

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Still remember the game and that incident lucidly like it happened 30 minutes ago. Each to their own opinion as I shake my head just as vigorously to those that ark up with regards to Joel as if he is some sort of untouchable and team superman. :thumbsup
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Re: Goodbye: Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer
« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2008, 11:09:07 PM »
Sticking up for Bowden against fanciful bagging does not equate to being a Bowden lover. Nice attempt at subterfuge.
I'm a fan of RFC, so I'm a Bowden fan. To me, that's what being a fan and supporter is. I don't talk about his 4 goals as a 19yo though, and if I did it certainly wouldn't be all I could talk about.

I don't understand you not liking Bowden but, as you've said, everyone is different.

Seems to me you watch him just to note any mistakes he makes. All players make mistakes.

No matter what your opinion of him is, he is dual All-Australian and dual RFC Best & Fairest. It's in the record books.
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Re: Goodbye: Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer
« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2008, 11:36:02 PM »
He is a dual best and fairest rightly or wrongly noone can take that away from him and good luck to him. I merely do not like the way he goes about his business and I am just as critical on other players. Libba and Woewodin are Brownlow Medallists too noone can take that away from them either doesn't mean they are superstars or competent. In their cases they perhaps were fortunate just like Joel was in 04 a season where the quality of the list was as awful as the list we were watching and 05 where eventually the quality of our list and an unfortunate Brown injury stifled any momentum we had and horribly exposed us. That is not to say that on game day if Bowden kicks a goal or saves a goal I won't clap it or cheer it as yes you are right in mentioning we are all Tigers at heart and our sole purpose is to see the Tigers win as with his goal in the 3rd quarter from 50 yesterday. However just as I publicly cheer a goal I will privately cringe with derision at those  half hearted and laxadazical efforts he has come up with in his career.
We all have to however get over the fact of what he has achieved in his career rightly or wrongly and stop being sentimental and begin to think logically now.
What good will Bowden give the team  if he has not got a position up forward, and is not kicking goals, applying pressure and showing leadership up fwd something which I feel he has not possessed throughout his career, then the Club must unequivocally make the hard but correct decision and get rid of him. Terry can't talk about reinventing him and then throwing him back into the backline into the role he has played in the last 4 seasons. That is weak as pee we need to develop Thursty and Moore and Rance now. Not so hard if the decision lay with me. We must have to think of the team first and the future of the footy club.  Is it coincidence that the team was playing well, against top 8 opposition mind you, when Bowden was out. For me the decision is obvious and one that the Coaching Team must have the guts and balls to make. When Terry finally made the call and bit the bullet after media and public pressure and finally so and his abscence lasted for a month I am sure you were happy with the way we were playing and the game time the kids were getting also. The answer is simple its time for players of the ilk of Bowden to go. He has had his chance and is no longer worth any value. Time for him to go as he won't help the club going forward. The sooner this is implemented the better.

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Re: Goodbye: Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer
« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2008, 11:47:39 PM »
This is where I have a problem. Me biting stems from your personal attack on him back in December.
You make out that your opinion is fact. It's just an opinion. An opinion I don't share.
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Re: Goodbye: Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer
« Reply #58 on: June 08, 2008, 11:53:41 PM »
And that is your right Fishfinger and I respect that hence I am not personal towards you . I don't state its fact nor am I looking for recognition or support as it is my opinion of him and I am merely trying to present a cogent argument to support my claims. We don't see eye to eye on this but that's okay we both come from two different schools of thought. Doesn't make you or me any less/more of a Richmond fan. I have this same argument with my mate who I go to the footy with each week for nearly 20 years. No dramas champ nothing personal towards you or anybody.  Like I said we all have different opinions  :thumbsup

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Re: Goodbye: Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer
« Reply #59 on: June 09, 2008, 03:15:22 PM »
Goodbye - Joel Bowden, Chris Hyde and Kayne Pettifer

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