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We'll be fine, Seeds to bear fruit: Wallace
« on: June 14, 2008, 02:01:50 AM »
Seeds to bear fruit
Mark Stevens | June 14, 2008 12:00am

WHEN Terry Wallace took on the Richmond coaching job, he warned his children he would end up being perceived as a "genius" or a "bloody idiot".

As pressure mounts entering the final stretch of a five-year contract, Wallace believes he is neither.

But in a spirited defence of his Richmond re-build, Wallace has declared his unwavering faith that the emerging generation at Punt Rd will enjoy success.

"I believe this will work. Whether I'm here to bear the fruits of it (or not)," he said.

"Whether I'm up in the stands or whether I'm sitting wherever, I'll know that's what I was put there to do."

Wallace, out of contract at the end of next year, said he knew he was in for extended pain when he arrived at the start of 2005.

"Sometimes somebody has to wear the brunt of all the hard work," Wallace said.

"I think that's the role I could play. I don't know whether a young coach would have been able to see it through.

"What I said to the footy club was there's going to be some hard years here and be prepared to wear it. I thought it would take a lot longer to turn around than some thought it would."

Wallace hopes his blue-print will be followed even if he doesn't get the chance to finish the job.

"If I see this through, that will be absolutely fantastic . . . so long as somebody sees it through and they don't change direction and start looking for new ways," Wallace said.

"That's always the worry. You start something and people get a bit nervous and it goes haywire."

With three wins and a draw in the first half of the season, Richmond confronts Melbourne tomorrow in a game it simply can't afford to drop.

Wallace is adamant he is not feeling the pressure, stating he will steadfastly stick to his plan.

"Virtually the first day I came back to coaching, I spoke to my kids. I told them to understand there were two likely scenarios," Wallace said.

"I said: 'People will think your dad is a genius if it turns and turns quickly'.

"I then added, 'Or they'll think he's a bloody idiot if it doesn't turn quickly'.

"And I'm neither. I'm somebody who knows and understands the business, who has got a plan. I'll stick to the plan and work that plan through.

"If people think you're a dunce for that, well time will tell and history will tell."

Asked if he needed to lead Richmond to the finals next year to go on, Wallace said: "That's for others to say."

"I think the way your side's playing by the end of your term will decide if you're going on or not," Wallace said.

"I'll have those conversations. They won't be difficult conversations any more.

"I'm at the age and period of time where I'm fine. The footy club will have a chat.

"I'm enjoying what I'm doing. I want to see it through.

"There's a little bit of that 'I told you so' in it for everyone. You want to actually get it going. It's not 'I told you so' to the press. It's more 'I told you so' to the boys.

"If you stick to it, if you stick to it, if you stick to it, it will turn."

Wallace re-iterated he will never coach anywhere else but Punt Rd.

"I've got no issue with that. Definitely," Wallace said.

"I don't see myself ever starting at another club and trying to re-structure and re-build again. I don't see that as my course now."

Wallace said the Tigers started the year aiming for a spot in the lower reaches of the eight.

Heart-breaking results against St Kilda and the Bulldogs have put a dent in their hopes, but Wallace is confident his team is capable of finishing the year strongly.

"We went into the season looking to make the lower end of the eight and get finals preparation.

"What we're still going after is to finish on a strong note.

"If it (finals) doesn't happen this year, it bloody well needs to happen next year."

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Re: We'll be fine, Seeds to bear fruit: Wallace
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2008, 02:03:30 AM »
We'll be fine: Terry Wallace
Mark Stevens | June 14, 2008

IT can be a long, lonely drive back to the outer north-eastern suburbs as a loser.

Terry Wallace braced himself for transit torture the moment he accepted the job of rebuilding Richmond, but he still loathes it.

As the clock ticked towards midnight on Saturday, May 3, the journey was particularly painful.

Wallace spoke to a close ally, not just for company, but to also pick over the rubble of a three-point loss to St Kilda.

Jack Riewoldt failed to make the distance from 55m out after the final siren to win it. Less than a minute earlier, Kelvin Moore took a mark 30m out but his shot for goal swung late and slammed into the left goalpost.

"To be honest, to one of my confidants on the way home that night, I said: 'I think that might come back to bite us on the arse'," Wallace said this week.

"It's bitten us for the fact that we're now under the microscope. I reckon if we'd won that night we wouldn't be under the microscope as much."

The Tigers had a staggering 51 more contested possessions than the Saints, but wasted all their hard work.

"Turnovers hurt us. They just kicked some easy goals from turnovers," Wallace said.

"When your opportunities are there you've got to nail them, don't you? We missed chances that were really, really gettable."

Wallace is sitting in the Richmond Social Club, overlooking Punt Rd Oval, reflecting on the night the Tigers lost the seemingly unloseable match.

Fresh from fielding questions in his regular "Tuesdays With Terry" session, Wallace is dressed in a team-issue tracksuit top.

There was no need for a flak jacket at this week's media gathering, as the volley of questions was reasonably gentle.

But Wallace knows the heat is back on. That microscope is focused on Richmond, which confronts Melbourne at Telstra Dome tomorrow. The old term "must-win" doesn't do justice to the importance of the game.

The Tigers have three wins and a draw from 11 games and need a miracle to make the eight.

If Moore had threaded that goal, or Riewoldt somehow unleashed a mighty torpedo, their record would be 4-1-6.

If Bulldog Will Minson had also missed seconds before the siren a fortnight earlier, Richmond would be 5-6 and still very much in the finals hunt.

So given the close shaves, how does Wallace grade the season so far: A, B, C, D or E?

Wallace stopped short of offering a grade, but made it clear it is no pass mark.

"I'm disappointed. We're still at a fail rate at the moment. I don't think there's any question about that," he said.

"I think if we'd won the two games we had an opportunity to win, I think I'd be telling you a different story with the draw we've had.

"I reckon if we'd come out of the first half with that 5-6 scenario with a real chance in the run home, I would then have given us a pass rate.

"Coming off the back of 3 1/2 wins last year, I reckon that's a pass rate.

"The fact of the matter is, Minson kicks his and we miss ours."

Wallace has 33 games, or a season and a half, left on a five-year contract.

It is getting to the stage where pass marks will have a bearing on whether he gets the chance to finish the job he started or gets the flick.

And capitulations against Sydney and then Adelaide have been untimely, given the Tigers were finally starting to win respect (regardless of the cruel losses).

"You care. You know how many people are involved, a supporter, a member, coterie member, a board member," Wallace said.

"A lot of people put a lot of time into wanting things to work. A lot of them have been very good in the belief in our direction.

"You really start to make some ground and you see people almost rallying behind you. All of sudden, you hit another hurdle or little hiccup.

"That frustrates you. You know it's your message and your direction."

Asked if he was feeling the pressure, Wallace steadfastly replied: "No, not really."

Wallace reiterated that if his premiership coaching dream is to be realised, it will be at Punt Rd.

At 49, he has no interest in coaching anywhere else. He wants to be around to enjoy the rewards of the hard work.

"I still think that we've got enough youth and players coming through that once they've got that 100, 150 games and there's a lot of them, I think this club will be fine," Wallace said.

"I don't think this club has had that for a long, long time.

"I don't think it's had a group of 25 or 30 blokes all around the same age bracket, 24 to 26, for ever.

"We haven't got that at the moment. We're not there yet, but we'll get there."

Richmond talkback callers made a habit of feeling warm and fuzzy about defeats to the likes of St Kilda and Hawthorn this year. Even though they led by 19 points with three minutes left against the Dogs, Tigers fans were positive.

It says a lot about how battered the confidence is that supporters were becoming increasingly accepting of honourable losses.

But Wallace is adamant that, in-house, the Tigers did not get ahead of themselves, setting up the slap-in-the-face reality check at the SCG a fortnight ago.

"You can't control what happens externally, but it certainly didn't happen internally," Wallace said.

"Internally, we've never been that way. We're striving for something we haven't got yet. It's a long time since this club has played multiple finals.

"The first step is to get there. The next step is to stay there."

Wallace said he knew the size of the task when he signed on.

"I thought it would take a lot longer to turn around than some thought it would, just with the nature of the list and where it was at," he said.

"That's not blaming anyone. That's just facts of the matter.

"On arrival, we didn't have any ready-made 23 year olds that would now be sitting in the 26-year bracket. We knew that.

"I thought we'd do some hard yards. A few clubs have done that -- St Kilda, Hawthorn and the Bulldogs. It finally turns.

"Probably the thing that frustrates me or annoys me the most is people saying, 'You're not putting enough games into kids'.

"In terms of 23 and unders, we've put more games into that age group than any club in the competition. That (criticism) doesn't stack up. That's not right.

"I know no one ever cares, but our Coburg side is playing really good footy. Coburg reserves are playing really good footy. We believe that eventually flows through.

"It's the nature of the game that when you're losing, people analyse and criticise. When you're winning they don't look at many things at all."

It stings Wallace that people lump 2007 with 2008. It may be true that Richmond has won just six of its past 33, but Wallace said last year was one of out the box.

"I thought it was out of our control last year," Wallace said of a season cruelled by injuries.

The Tigers were last for tackles in 2007 and he is happy to admit the club was a "non-tackling" outfit.

Asked why he didn't put more work into that kind of defensive pressure, Wallace replied: "Last year, I was putting fingers in dykes.

"By the end, I was just trying to put games into kids. We had blokes falling over left, right and centre."

Wallace is far more comfortable being judged on wins and losses this year.

"Everything we've got at the moment is in our control. We haven't got major injures. There are no excuses (for) where we sit at the moment," he said.

Hawthorn is always praised for its "plan" to deliver a premiership. The Hawks are now universally given a tick for trading the likes of Jonathan Hay and Nathan Thompson and building from the ground up. Peter Everitt went eventually, too.

Did Wallace cut deep enough early in his tenure? His answer is an emphatic yes.

Why didn't Wallace, like Hawthorn, trade out some names for picks? He is adamant he had little, or no, bait and nowhere to move.

"We cut 25 in the first two years, I think," Wallace said.

"Everyone looks at us and says Hawthorn. The difference is we didn't have players people were jumping up and down to get hold of.

"We just didn't have them."

Wallace has no problem mentioning Matthew Richardson and Joel Bowden, who had undoubted trade value, to back up his argument.

"We had a couple of players that may have been (trade targets) that had massive family heritage with the Richmond footy club," Wallace said.

"For me to walk in the door and have blokes, whose parents played their heart and soul out for Richmond, thrown out the door straight away would have been a non-Richmond thing to do.

"No one ever asked the question at trade time, but the Joel Bowdens and Matthew Richardsons of the world will teach the Trent Cotchins of the world what it is to be a Richmond person.

"Jonathan Hay hasn't got the connection Richardson or Bowden had. It's massive. Nathan Thompson, the same.

"These boys (Richardson and Bowden) grew up watching their dads play premierships for the footy club."

With Richardson and Bowden staying put, Wallace knew it would always be a considered accumulation of talent, rather than an avalanche.

The Tigers did, though, trade Brad Ottens to Geelong. In return came picks 12 and 16.

Brett Deledio was taken at pick No. 1 in that draft: Tick.

Richard Tambling was taken at pick No. 4: He should get there, but -- like others -- the Tigers overlooked Lance Franklin and he slipped through to No. 5.

Danny Meyer was taken at No. 12. He has been hobbled by a hip injury and the next 11 weeks will determine his future.

Adam Pattison went at No. 16. As a big bloke, he has been slow developing, but should get there. Next up, Dean Polo went at 20. After showing promise in 2006, he has had a major setback with a shoulder injury. Jury's out.

On paper, picks one, four, 12, 16 and 20 loomed as a treasure trove. There has only been one raging success.

Wallace said Richmond would be far better if Polo and Meyer, in particular, already had 60 games to their name.

Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls, taken at pick No. 8 the following year, has played only 16 games.

"Would you like to have 60 games into those three boys? Absolutely. We'd be a lot further advanced if we did. A lot further advanced," Wallace said.

"Should we have 60 games into them? There's reasons why that hasn't been the case. Of course, it could be better. No one bats 100 per cent at this thing."

Wallace knows he cops criticism for talking about his first coaching project, the Western Bulldogs, but brings up the club anyway.

"You look at your own history and past. You learn to understand about how to structure lists," Wallace said. "You saw the Dogs go down for a couple of years and then finally the young boys matured and developed enough to come back up.

"I see our process being similar.

"I think I said a few years ago we're probably four or five years behind the whole process of where they are.

"It will change. It will turn. I have no doubt it will turn.

"I don't like driving home as a loser every bloody week either."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23859907-19742,00.html

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Re: We'll be fine, Seeds to bear fruit: Wallace
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2008, 08:02:30 AM »
Terry Wallace trying to save his carreer ::)
I have actually met Mark Stevens. Suffers from small man comlex and is in love with Wallace. Told me he was easy the best coach in the AFL , especially for innovation, sad but true.  I nearly choked on my drink whe he told me that.
I reckon Terry knows what coming

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Re: We'll be fine, Seeds to bear fruit: Wallace
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2008, 08:24:04 AM »
Terry Wallace trying to save his carreer ::)
I have actually met Mark Stevens. Suffers from small man comlex and is in love with Wallace. Told me he was easy the best coach in the AFL , especially for innovation, sad but true.  I nearly choked on my drink whe he told me that.
I reckon Terry knows what coming

oh snap  ;D did he really  :rollin Wallace playing Hyde on Goodes is the joke of the football world

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Re: We'll be fine, Seeds to bear fruit: Wallace
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2008, 08:49:43 AM »
Terry Wallace trying to save his carreer ::)
I have actually met Mark Stevens. Suffers from small man comlex and is in love with Wallace. Told me he was easy the best coach in the AFL , especially for innovation, sad but true.  I nearly choked on my drink whe he told me that.
I reckon Terry knows what coming

Mark Stevens is a Bulldogs fan isnt he?   Must be one of the few who actually do like Wallace then.  ;D
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Re: We'll be fine, Seeds to bear fruit: Wallace
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2008, 09:40:35 AM »
terry raising the white flag, moi must be in tears
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Re: We'll be fine, Seeds to bear fruit: Wallace
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2008, 11:23:02 AM »
Stare 'em down Terry.

Maintain the mantra, and get rid of the remaining deadwood from the playing stocks at the end of this season.

Reinvigorate the coaching staff and stick to your plan. 

Circuit break the cycle of reactionary's ! :banghead

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Re: We'll be fine, Seeds to bear fruit: Wallace
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2008, 11:32:22 AM »
Stare 'em down Terry.

Maintain the mantra, and get rid of the remaining deadwood from the playing stocks at the end of this season.

Reinvigorate the coaching staff and stick to your plan. 

Circuit break the cycle of reactionary's ! :banghead

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Re: We'll be fine, Seeds to bear fruit: Wallace
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2008, 11:41:47 AM »
You don't get it, its not about TW.

Sacking a coach hasn't worked since Tom Hafey lost GR's vote in 76, particularly a coach 70% into his contract.

The last time RFC rebuilt its playing list from the ground up was in the early 60's, so its not about the coach its about having a plan to rebuild the playing list of the club.

By all means evaluate the plan at the end of the season, but I can't see the benefit of continuing the same bahviour and expecting a different result !

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Re: We'll be fine, Seeds to bear fruit: Wallace
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2008, 11:56:24 AM »
You don't get it, its not about TW.

Sacking a coach hasn't worked since Tom Hafey lost GR's vote in 76, particularly a coach 70% into his contract.

The last time RFC rebuilt its playing list from the ground up was in the early 60's, so its not about the coach its about having a plan to rebuild the playing list of the club.

By all means evaluate the plan at the end of the season, but I can't see the benefit of continuing the same bahviour and expecting a different result !

rubbish...u sound like the spin doctor himself...

tell me if it was all about the rebuild, why is tivers, hyde and bowden still in the team.
why did we go for kingsley, patrick bowden, mcmahon.
why are still trying to get cogs on the park.
why are we not playing the kids.
why is pathetic pettifer and mcmahon on the list.

dont fc.ukin talk to me about rebuild.
i would have a lot more respect for TW if he arrived at Punt road and said right all these players are gone like clarko did with barker, nick holland, hay and nathan thompson.

we had the chance of getting some good descent picks for petts, schulz and what does TW do??

he does no trades and then to top it of picks up mcmahon.

you can all believe the TW spin, thats your opinion but if u seriously think players like polak, patto and mcmahon are going to win us a flag you are kidding yourself. They are very average footballers who wouldn't and couldn't get a game at other clubs.
you see thats why we are laughed at..
pick 19 for a guy who leads our clangers....hahahahahaha

i would say the only players that may help us achieve that glory are , cotch, axel, lids, Will, moore, Newy, kingy, morton, maybe jack, tambling a big ??? and thats about it

we have recruited terribly we really have...
you people talk about Jon and Meyer and how they may come good but really only at Richmond will we give these guys 5 years to prove themselves.

we have no forward structure at all and what kind of future have we got when our leading forward is a 33 year old wingman...haha

Yeah he rebuilded well didn't he...
TW is rubbish and we need a fresh coach to give us that drive.

TW plays for TW and that is a fact...
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Re: We'll be fine, Seeds to bear fruit: Wallace
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2008, 12:14:52 PM »
Lets dont mentioned the 10 metre kicks either ::)

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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2008, 12:17:06 PM »
Pretty simple , Terry cant coach, Cant get guys motivated ,then blames others and makes them scapegoats if things get too hot, FACT!

Hyde on Goodes perfect example ::) Not Chris Hydes fault either

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Re: We'll be fine, Seeds to bear fruit: Wallace
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2008, 12:19:24 PM »
I'm certainly no apologist for TW and you can review my posts on the Hyde, Polak and MacMahon thread to verify.

The degree of rebuilding a playing list with a significant turnover of players and a large injection of youth is a matter for conjecture and ongoing debate.

Personally, I think that the cut hasn't been deep enough and that some of the trading decisions have been mystifying.

My main point is that why would RFC continue the same behaviour in sacking coaches and expect a different result.

The days of the coaching messiah are long gone and belong in the semi professional 70's or the metropolitan leagues, time for RFC to have some intenstinal fortitude and stare down the naysayers & reactionary's to become a 21st century fully professional AFL club.


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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2008, 12:42:23 PM »
I'm certainly no apologist for TW and you can review my posts on the Hyde, Polak and MacMahon thread to verify.

The degree of rebuilding a playing list with a significant turnover of players and a large injection of youth is a matter for conjecture and ongoing debate.

Personally, I think that the cut hasn't been deep enough and that some of the trading decisions have been mystifying.

My main point is that why would RFC continue the same behaviour in sacking coaches and expect a different result.

The days of the coaching messiah are long gone and belong in the semi professional 70's or the metropolitan leagues, time for RFC to have some intenstinal fortitude and stare down the naysayers & reactionary's to become a 21st century fully professional AFL club.


I actually agree and you will see a new coach, and a new coaching method/structure at punt road next year..
Not Terry Wallace and his mates as is the current situation, seriously Brian Royal :o Gordon Casey.. Paul Armstrong :o monkhurst :o  :odavid King( now theres a good one ::)

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Re: We'll be fine, Seeds to bear fruit: Wallace
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2008, 01:47:43 PM »
I'm certainly no apologist for TW and you can review my posts on the Hyde, Polak and MacMahon thread to verify.

The degree of rebuilding a playing list with a significant turnover of players and a large injection of youth is a matter for conjecture and ongoing debate.

Personally, I think that the cut hasn't been deep enough and that some of the trading decisions have been mystifying.

My main point is that why would RFC continue the same behaviour in sacking coaches and expect a different result.

The days of the coaching messiah are long gone and belong in the semi professional 70's or the metropolitan leagues, time for RFC to have some intenstinal fortitude and stare down the naysayers & reactionary's to become a 21st century fully professional AFL club.


I actually agree and you will see a new coach, and a new coaching method/structure at punt road next year..
Not Terry Wallace and his mates as is the current situation, seriously Brian Royal :o Gordon Casey.. Paul Armstrong :o monkhurst :o  :odavid King( now theres a good one ::)

Obviously you werent going to name everyone you think is hopeless at RFC as I fear it would take up more than one allowed post (;)) but I notice there is no Rawlings or McRae on your list above.  Just omissions or are they actually one of the few you think have something going for them?
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