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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #120 on: December 12, 2008, 01:54:27 PM »
They have been showing Terry going into Tigerland with a big cheezy grim from ear to ear on the news breaks.
So it has to be almost certain that we have got him then.

He might just be cacking himself at all the fuss being created about the Tiges picking up David Gourdis and Kade Klemke in the PSD.

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Re: Rival clubs to oppose Richmond's draft bid / bid draws mixed reaction (H-Sun)
« Reply #121 on: December 12, 2008, 01:59:19 PM »
So does this means the Adelaide team must be wanting something in return later on down the track maybe.

id say their dislike of anything collingwood led them to this decision.

that and common sense
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Re: Rival clubs to oppose Richmond's draft bid / bid draws mixed reaction (H-Sun)
« Reply #122 on: December 12, 2008, 02:06:51 PM »
So going by that we have:

Supportive:  Ess, Haw, Melb, Adel, Port
Against: Coll, Freo
Hedging: Carl, St K
Don't know: Bris, Geel, North, Syd, WCE, WB

Hentschel & Egan were both football related injuries, not brain damage from an incident outside football
If you want a better example then Chad Gibson is a better one, but he returned before the end of the season so it wasn't needed and was far more minor than Polak's case.

Don't know how people can compare the two, we didn't try and do it after Nathan Brown's injury did we?!
Likewise with Cogs. He hasn't played since mid 2006 but we couldn't do this as he originally did his ACL playing.

Yep some especially on BF's main board  ::) can't understand the difference between football and serious non-football related injuries. You can only request this sort of special consideration for freak situations away from footy - eg: Rama's cancer, Polly being hit and almost killed by a tram, the late Troy Broadbridge killed in the Asian tsunami.
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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #123 on: December 12, 2008, 02:33:31 PM »
He might just be cacking himself at all the fuss being created about the Tiges picking up David Gourdis and Kade Klemke in the PSD.

LOL, Yeah or something like you pack of idiots I am going to have some fun with you now

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Re: Rival clubs to oppose Richmond's draft bid / bid draws mixed reaction (H-Sun)
« Reply #124 on: December 12, 2008, 03:14:40 PM »
Hentschel & Egan were both football related injuries, not brain damage from an incident outside football
If you want a better example then Chad Gibson is a better one, but he returned before the end of the season so it wasn't needed and was far more minor than Polak's case.

Don't know how people can compare the two, we didn't try and do it after Nathan Brown's injury did we?!

exactly. some people just make comments for the sake of making a comment.  we're doing this because polak's is non-football related injury. 

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #125 on: December 12, 2008, 06:18:28 PM »
Well what do we do as supporters, I was dead against Cousins coming to the Tigers but I have always said that as a LOYAL, get that people LOYAL supporter I will back every player that pulls on the yellow and black and every decision the club makes. The club is not stupid and from what I have read this bloke really wants to play the game he loves. Everyone should be given a second chance although Ben did have a few more than others.

He has a lot of people backing him and and if he stuffs this up he will lose all respect with a hell of a lot of people in the football world.

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Tigers ready to bite at Ben / March confirms we've spoken to Cousins
« Reply #126 on: December 12, 2008, 07:15:17 PM »
Tigers ready to bite at Ben
By Jason Phelan
 6:07 PM Fri 12 December, 2008

RICHMOND president Gary March confirmed on Friday that his club had held talks with Ben Cousins on a possible move to Punt Rd.

The Tigers sparked wide-spread speculation they were interested in throwing the Brownlow Medallist a life line when they partitioned the AFL on Wednesday for permission to rookie list injured defender Graham Polak.

The AFL Commission will meet on Monday to discuss the proposal. If approved, Richmond will have two selections in Tuesday's NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft, one of which could be used to secure the former Eagle.

"I can confirm that the Richmond football club has spoken to Ben Cousins, but at this stage we haven't made any decision on whether we're going to take [him]," March said.

"We've go to await the outcome of the AFL Commission's decision on Monday."

"We've made an application through our football department, and we'll wait to see the outcome of that and make a decision from there."

While March would not confirm Richmond's intent regarding Cousins, he hinted that wheels are in motion at the club should it find itself with the extra draft selection on Tuesday.

"We've definitely talked to [Cousins] and we've looked at what we can do", he said.

The Tigers are relative late-comers to the Cousins issue having previously stated the 30-year-old did not fit into their plans for 2009.

St Kilda, Collingwood and the Brisbane Lions all studied the viability of bringing him to their clubs before ultimately withdrawing interest.

Richmond currently has pick six at the pre-season draft and could still select Cousins regardless of the Commission's decision, but March maintained the club's position on that selection had not changed.

"We've stated all along that we'll be using our pick in the pre-season draft on a junior," he said

"We missed out on a pick at 69 [in the national draft] which Brisbane took, and the intention was always to take a young boy ... That really hasn't changed."

The Tigers had hoped to snare young Tasmanian ruckman Bart McCulloch with pick 70 in the national draft before the Lions swooped.

Polak, who suffered a bran injury in a collision with a tram in June, has been slow to recover, leading to the proposal to remove him from the senior list.

"It's clear at the moment that Graham's recovery is taking a little bit longer than he had hoped," March said

"He came back to training and early signs were that he was recovering and he was hopeful that he might recover better than he has.

"But it's slowed down a bit and it's unlikely at this point that he'll play next year."

http://afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=70816

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Re: Tigers ready to bite at Ben / March confirms we've spoken to Cousins
« Reply #127 on: December 12, 2008, 07:16:21 PM »
Here's March's press conference:

http://bigpondvideo.com/afl/95453

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #128 on: December 12, 2008, 07:37:39 PM »
March shouldnt speak to the media, he doesnt speak very well.

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #129 on: December 12, 2008, 10:12:32 PM »

March shouldnt speak to the media, he doesnt speak very well.


He couldn't be any worse than the dumb-ass journalist who wrote the article.  Here is a quote from the article:

"The Tigers sparked wide-spread speculation they were interested in throwing the Brownlow Medallist a life line when they partitioned the AFL on Wednesday for permission to rookie list injured defender Graham Polak."

Here is a dictionary entry for partition:

1 a: to divide into parts or shares b: to divide (as a country) into two or more territorial units having separate political status
2: to separate or divide by a partition (as a wall) —often used with off

So from this article we can deduce that Richmond has split the AFL into 2 or more parts, shares or territorial units using either political status or walls.

I wonder if we also "petitioned" the AFL?

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #130 on: December 13, 2008, 12:17:02 AM »
March shouldnt speak to the media, he doesnt speak very well.
I've been a critic of March's media skills and decisions over the past 6 months but I didn't have a problem with what he said today. Actually IMO it was one of his best. He's smartly said we won't be stepping on the AFL commission's shoes before Monday who we need to do us this favour yet he also put it on notice that if our application is rejected then the Commission will effectively end Cousins' career and the AFL will look heartless on two fronts.

I think the AFL have changed their tune on Cousins. Previously they have hoped the Cousins issue would just go away and die but under public pressure to give him one last chance the AFL have turned to avoid a negative backlash. It wouldn't surprise me either if there's some fear at AFL HQ of a legal challenge to the whole draft system if Cousins can't get to any of the 16 clubs. As we saw with Judd last year the AFL aren't afraid to manipulate and "tweak" the system to avoid a push towards free agency.
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Tigers say if there's no extra pick, they won't take Cousins (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #131 on: December 13, 2008, 04:52:42 AM »
Tigers say if there's no extra pick, they won't take Cousins
Sam Edmund | December 13, 2008

RICHMOND says it will turn its back on Ben Cousins if the AFL rejects its appeal to put Graham Polak on the rookie list.

Tigers president Gary March said yesterday Cousins would not take precedence over the club's focus on recruiting a young player in Tuesday's pre-season draft.

"We've said all along that we'll be using our pick in the pre-season draft on a junior," March said.

"Our intention was to take a young boy and that really hasn't changed. It's pretty basic. We said we'll be taking a junior with pick six."
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Richmond players, signing autographs at the club's fan day yesterday, said the chance to team up with Cousins was appealing.

"I think anyone would be excited about the prospect of him playing here," Newman said.

Nathan Brown said: "It certainly would be (exciting), but I can't say any more.

"It's not our decision. It's the board's decision."

Forward Jay Schulz was confident Cousins still had what it takes.

"He was a terrific player and I think he still would be," he said.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24792287-19742,00.html

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AFLPA support for Cousins in Tigers' den (Australian)
« Reply #132 on: December 13, 2008, 04:54:37 AM »
Support for Cousins in Tigers' den
Courtney Walsh | December 13, 2008
The Australian

AFL Players Association boss Brendon Gale believes his former club Richmond has the support systems in place to cope with drafting disgraced star Ben Cousins.

The Tigers emerged as a surprise candidate to revive the former West Coast captain's career this week when details of a request to place Graham Polak, who is recovering from a brain injury, on its rookie list emerged on Wednesday.

While the AFL commission will rule on Richmond's request on Monday, the Tigers can still select the recovering drug addict regardless in Tuesday's pre-season draft despite coach Terry Wallace previously declaring they had earmarked another player for their pick.

Gale, who has been a strong advocate of the 2005 Brownlow medallist returning to football, said yesterday he hoped Cousins received a lifeline in what is his final chance after clubs shunned him at last month's national draft.

"We work closely with all AFL clubs in that off-field support, career and education and I think Richmond is pretty strong," he said. "I think the arrangements they have had in place for a while are very strong and supportive of all players in their off-field development and I would be very confident in their ability to support all players and, in particular, someone with complex issues like Ben.

"I am not a clinician but based on the advice we have received, I think it would be a really important stage of his next phase, his rehabilitation, to have that structure and and motivating environment of a football club and I think it would be a really good support for Ben right now."

AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou yesterday refused to pre-empt what will happen in either Monday's commission meeting regarding Polak or Tuesday's pre-season draft.

"We've given the green light for Ben Cousins to play," he said.

"I'm not aware of what Richmond's doing other than they've put a submission that relates to Graham Polak.

"So what they're thinking (in regards to the draft) I'm not privy to and we'll wait and see."

Should the commission rule in favour of giving Richmond permission to place Polak, who was hit by a tram in June but is too old to be placed on the rookie list under present rules, on its rookie list the Tigers will have two picks in Tuesday's draft.

But some clubs have questioned whether Polak deserves a special exemption -- granted only once before to recently retired Bomber Adam Ramanauskas as he battled cancer -- while others are furious with the timing of the request, saying Richmond have known of the condition for months and also had the opportunity to draft Cousins last month.

At least one club chief executive is convinced the commission will deny Richmond its request, although Gale believes it has merit and does not believe the Tigers' motives are questionable.

"Graham sustained a very serious brain injury and is taking a long and sustained rehabilitation and he is not in a position to be playing, certainly in the short term, so we support that and I guess most importantly, we acknowledged that Graham supports that as well," he said.

"We are not in a position to question (Richmond's) motives and clubs are free to form their own opinion on that, but they put the request in and we think the reasons behind it are very sound.

"Governing bodies have rules, but we have got to have discretions to help them deal with difficult and complicated circumstances. This is clearly one of them.

"We are not talking about a football-related injury here, this is serious brain injury sustained in very strange circumstances. I think we need to be a little flexible in dealing with it."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24791913-5012432,00.html

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #133 on: December 13, 2008, 09:15:22 AM »
I just dont like March saying that we wont pick up Cousins at 6, same goes for Cameron saying it.

It wouldnt be a decision that has been made yet, it may be an ideal setup for the club but if the AFL happened to reject the application for Polak then there would be a in depth discussion as to who we draft in PSD.

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #134 on: December 13, 2008, 10:00:37 AM »
I just dont like March saying that we wont pick up Cousins at 6, same goes for Cameron saying it.

It wouldnt be a decision that has been made yet, it may be an ideal setup for the club but if the AFL happened to reject the application for Polak then there would be a in depth discussion as to who we draft in PSD.

what march has said is absolutely fine.

Nothing in that mate get over it
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