Otto a man in demand

[WilliamPowell]

Miller must now stand his ground and wait till October 4-8. 

Got that exact feeling when listening to Greg Miller this morning HarryH that is what he intends to do.

[Tiger Spirit]

However, a player or more likely in Otto's case his manager checking out other offers doesn't necessarily mean Otto doesn't want to play for us or doesn't have some connection or loyalty to Richmond.

I don’t disagree with that MT.  Anyone has the right to do what’s in their best interests, and maybe it’s just a coincidence, but this is contract renewal number two for Otto where he seems to need to be convinced to stay.

You’d reckon he’d know by now whether he wants to be here or not.  Just doesn’t seem that difficult a decision to make.

You have to wonder about players who let Managers ‘further their cause’, because it doesn’t actually help the player at all.  It just paints them in a bad light and maybe Otto’s management has a lot to answer for here, as you say.

You wonder too about these managers sometimes, because it’s the Players who suffer by having their name dragged around in some long winded saga that makes them seem money hungry.  I suppose the managers don't care as long as they get their cut.

[Jackstar]

I reckon this is the solution. The club says Brad, you are on $250,000 a year. Win the best and fairest and there,s an extra $100,000. If you dont like that deal, go to the Swans for $500,000 as the Richmond Club is not a charity, not anymore anyway
No wonder we are 2m in debt !

[mightytiges]

You have to wonder about players who let Managers ‘further their cause’, because it doesn’t actually help the player at all.  It just paints them in a bad light and maybe Otto’s management has a lot to answer for here, as you say.

You wonder too about these managers sometimes, because it’s the Players who suffer by having their name dragged around in some long winded saga that makes them seem money hungry.  I suppose the managers don't care as long as they get their cut.

If a manager is on a % then a salary cut means less money for the manager. I'm sure they're not happy about that. Add to that while the player's name gets dragged through the mud as you say TS, the manager's reputation in his job probably goes up as he can boast to future clients about the time he scored this great deal for so and so by putting such and such club over the barrel.

[mightytiges]

I reckon this is the solution. The club says Brad, you are on $250,000 a year. Win the best and fairest and there,s an extra $100,000. If you dont like that deal, go to the Swans for $500,000 as the Richmond Club is not a charity, not anymore anyway

That offer is most likely on the table as we type and IMO will become common amongst all out "better" players as their contracts come up for renewal. If Brown is on $375K, Cogs $300K and Johnson $275K then no one else at Tigerland bar probably Richo should be near those figures until they prove over a few years that they deserve them.

[mightytiges]

Ottens 'should stay a Tiger'
By Lyall Johnson
realfooty.theage.com.au
September 23, 2004
 
Richmond is confident out-of-contract ruckman Brad Ottens has "every reason" to stay at the club despite being asked to accept a pay cut believed to be more than $120,000.

Due largely to injury, Ottens has performed well below expectation in the past two years. This year did not poll a Brownlow vote.

The Sydney Swans, with up to a $1 million buffer under their salary-cap restriction, have spoken to Ottens and Geelong is also believed to be a strong contender for Ottens' services with significant room to move under the salary cap.

Yet according to Greg Miller, Richmond's director of football, Ottens, who until the end of this season was on a reputed $450,000 a year, feels an obligation to the Tigers, who have looked after him through injury and poor form. "We think Brad's got every reason to stay and no reason to leave," Miller said last night. "We think the relationship is good. He's one of the leaders of our club and he understands his pay had to come back a little bit.

"We've made a good offer to him - not as much as he used to get paid - but I think that's fair enough under the circumstances and he knows that's fair enough, too.

"I don't think players play for money that often, and I don't think that's a healthy circumstance for anyone to be in. We paid him on potential and if he goes for money it is a very hard weight to carry on your back."

New coach Terry Wallace spoke to Ottens soon after his appointment and told the ruckman he was an important part of his plans for Richmond.

Ottens is on holiday for a couple of weeks and the club feels no great urgency in signing him up because it sees there is no grievance between the parties. "We don't need to close the door at all. We can take it through to the first choice in the pre-season draft," Miller said.

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/09/22/1095651394716.html

[LondonTiger]

"We don't need to close the door at all. We can take it through to the first choice in the pre-season draft," Miller said.

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/09/22/1095651394716.html

That pretty much should sum it up for anyone trying to poach Otto and Otto himself.

Its 2004, gone are the huge contracts, paid for performance not for potential.

And most importantly, this club will not be held to ransom.

[Fwoy3]

The man they call BIG  SEXY is nothing than a BIG DUD.

I tend to disagree......Big Sexy to me is Kevin Nash....one of the most overrated wrestlers in the industry. He demands everything but is a disgrace of a performer......

Ring any bells? Maybe thats why he got the nickname and he didnt even know it......

Big Sexy is nothing without Scott Hall 

[mightytiges]

Tigers play hard ball with Ottens
23 September 2004 
 Herald Sun
Jon Pierik

 SYDNEY will have to look elsewhere for a new ruckman after Richmond last night emphatically reiterated its desire to keep Brad Ottens.

And in a warning for the out-of-contract big man, Tigers coach Terry Wallace said he would look to use the club's No. 1 pick in the pre-season draft to hold on to Ottens, if he wanted out.

Sydney and Geelong are believed to be the frontrunners in a group of six clubs racing to snare Ottens' signature, with Swans coach Paul Roos having spoken to the 24-year-old.

But Wallace, into his fourth week in charge at Punt Rd, scotched rumours yesterday that Ottens was poised to sign with the Swans.

"I've had two conversations with Brad and he told me that he wanted to stay," he said.

"Unless I hear something different from him or his management, which I haven't heard, we're not going to jump to anything that is speculated by newspapers."

Wallace said Ottens, who is likely to play from the goalsquare next year with Matthew Richardson roaming around the 50m arc, was a required player.

"The Richmond Footy Club is in a position where we have first pick in the second draft," Wallace said. "So if you're an uncontracted player, we have the ability to pick them up, whether that be our own or others. That puts us in the pole position."

Ottens collected about $450,000 this year but has been asked to take a cut of more than $100,000 a year in the deal he is considering from the Tigers.

Richmond director of football Greg Miller believes Ottens has been paid on potential for too long -- and it's now time for results.

If the two parties cannot reach agreement, and Ottens wants out, the Tigers can either organise a trade or leave him to nominate for the pre-season draft.

The Tigers, as they do in the national draft, have the first pick there, with Hawthorn at No. 2, the Western Bulldogs at No. 3 and Collingwood at No. 4.

Geelong chief executive Brian Cook confirmed the Cats had spoken to Ottens' management but he was just one of several players the club was interested in.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,10850187%255E20322,00.html

[mightytiges]

Tigers coach Terry Wallace said he would look to use the club's No. 1 pick in the pre-season draft to hold on to Ottens, if he wanted out.

"We can take it through to the first choice in the pre-season draft," Miller said.

Just curious what all this actually means?

I thought you couldn't re-draft your own delisted player in the PSD. However Weaver on BF says you still can but need the player's consent  ???. It would be a waste of a PSD pick just to re-sign a player  plus can't he then nominate his own terms? I also thought every Club had to lodge their list (including delistings) to the AFL well before both the National and PS drafts. Say the end of October!?!

On the other hand, does it mean that we're trying to send a message that if you want to be overpaid then don't expect us to help you leave to another club of your choosing and you'll be asked to take your chances in the PSD  ??? Why would you want to keep him if he wants out!

I hope the Club knows the drafting rules better than I do at the minute lol.

[LondonTiger]

MT, I think  you pretty much answered it yourself.

If we delist him, we cannot pick him up.  We aren't delisting him.

I believe his contract runs until the end of the year

[Jackstar]

One thing on Wallaces comment re picking him back up in draft( if possible )
Take note terry, if somebody wants to leave, let them go, dont be held to ransom by them.
Irrelevent in what is said in the papers, Brad must not be that happy at Tigerland otherwise he would have signed up again, its that simple !

[WilliamPowell]

Just curious what all this actually means?

I thought you couldn't re-draft your own delisted player in the PSD. However Weaver on BF says you still can but need the player's consent  ???. It would be a waste of a PSD pick just to re-sign a player  plus can't he then nominate his own terms? I also thought every Club had to lodge their list (including delistings) to the AFL well before both the National and PS drafts. Say the end of October!?!

Your curious, I'm confused. He can nominate his own terms - and if he has to give consent to be re-drafted - it is likely that a player wouldn't so .... what does it all mean? I am confused.

[blaisee]

Jack,

I get a feeling this talk is all about increasing his trade value.

Ie if you don't get us a top 5 pick in the draft buldogs or sydney even if he walks we will redraft him.


I get the feeling that he will be traded for sure I also get the feeling that his back ia absolutely stuffed, and that is why he will go to the highest bidder, he probably has 2-3 years left.....heres hoping

[Disco]

Spot on Blaisee, judgeing by how slow he was this year there is something wrong with him, I doubt he will see his true potential, whatever that might be?

Lets ramp his value up and get rid of him, inject some youth into our side the likes of Jackson and I think we have a fair trade!

Lets turn this club around once and for all!