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Sydney plays it cool on Ottens
« Reply #225 on: October 01, 2004, 01:18:50 AM »
Sydney plays it cool on Ottens
01 October 2004   
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SYDNEY has eased off on its chase for Brad Ottens. The Swans indicated yesterday they would wait to see what unfolds between the coveted forward-ruckman and Geelong before deciding whether to re-enter the congested hunt.
 
Geelong is Ottens' preferred new home after quitting Richmond last week.

The Swans are his second choice, although with his family based locally, the 24-year-old is keen to stay in Victoria.

Swans coach Paul Roos said he wouldn't pursue a player who wasn't fully interested in joining his club.

Roos spoke to Ottens two weeks ago about a possible shift north.

"Our understanding is that he wants to go to Geelong, so we haven't really had any more discussion on Brad since then," he said.

"At this stage I suppose we sit back and see what happens with Geelong and Richmond. That's probably where it's at at the moment."

If Geelong cannot broker a deal acceptable to the Tigers – Cats coach Mark Thompson has admitted he is finding it difficult to come up with a suitable offer – Roos said the Swans would swoop.

"If they can't do a deal and Brad is happy to come to Sydney, we'll probably get back involved," he said.

"If Geelong can't get the job done and he changes his mind, then we're still interested."

The Tigers have said they want an established marquee player and a high draft pick in exchange for Ottens.

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Re: Otto a man in demand
« Reply #226 on: October 01, 2004, 07:21:09 AM »
I hope the club don't get too cute with this Ottens deal - he ain't that good and not only do we know it, other teams would too.  To pass up the Cats 1st and 2nd draft pick plus two players, to me, seems idiotic.  I would prefer that deal than the the two first round picks - the draft is a raffle, as we've experienced before - ala Lounder, Banik, Fiora, Pettifer, OTTENS, need i go on.

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Re: Otto a man in demand
« Reply #227 on: October 01, 2004, 09:56:49 AM »
I agree, we shouldnt get too cute. However - the club must get a return on their investment. The club invested heavily in Otto - both financialy and emotionally.I remember Frawley convincing the boy that the future of the RFC was to be built around him. Huge investment - need a return.
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Re: Otto a man in demand
« Reply #228 on: October 01, 2004, 10:55:08 AM »
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Geelong has been willing to part only with its first and second-round choices (16 and 32), plus Corey Enright and Charlie Gardiner

I think that this would be a fantastic deal for Ottens. We get 2 players that would definately fit straight into our best 22 and another 2 early picks.

If this was on offer at 3pm next friday we would be crazy not to take it.

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Re: Otto a man in demand
« Reply #229 on: October 01, 2004, 11:17:39 AM »
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Geelong has been willing to part only with its first and second-round choices (16 and 32), plus Corey Enright and Charlie Gardiner

I think that this would be a fantastic deal for Ottens. We get 2 players that would definately fit straight into our best 22 and another 2 early picks.

If this was on offer at 3pm next friday we would be crazy not to take it.

If it was on offer at 3pm next Friday I would be crying, because we would have missed the deadline by an hour... :lol
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Re: Otto a man in demand
« Reply #230 on: October 01, 2004, 01:57:44 PM »
Remember we want young quality players that will be peaking in 5 years time. That's why we want and need the high picks. Apart from pick 16 we are wasting our time IMO if we accepted that Geelong deal.
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Re: Otto a man in demand
« Reply #231 on: October 01, 2004, 02:04:44 PM »
This Draft will make or break Miller if the cats are offering this and we dont take it and end up getting shafted in the process then you can almost bank on the large horde of tiger masses turning on greg.

I can understand why they have said no, to hopefully get a better deal but come this time next week if we havent got  better for ottens then they should accept this offer!

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Re: Otto a man in demand
« Reply #232 on: October 01, 2004, 03:17:11 PM »
LMFAOOOOOOOOOO@everyone knowing he is a dud!

Why are we catering to Ottens' wants? We should be offering him to the highest bidder, not sending him to the club of his choice. Ottens will travel aywhere anyway. Have money, will travel. That's his motto. lmfaoooooo@him wanting to stay in Victoria, just like he wanted to stay in one club for his whole career. All hogwash!

If Sydney can give us a better deal than Geelong then lets send him to Sydney. 

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Re: Otto a man in demand
« Reply #233 on: October 01, 2004, 05:17:07 PM »
I'd rather the Tiges play hard ball with any deal for Ottens (more than he does :lol). If it means we re draft him, then so be it....we'd only be giving him a one year contract and if he didn't perform his career would be stuffed 'cause he'd be damaged goods.

Hanging tough sends a bigger message to the other players and the other clubs, than running scared and taking a last minute offer. The worse thing that can happen now is to have our bluff called. I don't think Port suffered at all from losing Stevens for nothing.

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Re: Otto a man in demand
« Reply #234 on: October 01, 2004, 07:32:39 PM »
Hanging tough sends a bigger message to the other players and the other clubs, than running scared and taking a last minute offer. The worse thing that can happen now is to have our bluff called. I don't think Port suffered at all from losing Stevens for nothing.

Totally agree bg. The Club must remain strong to its word. I'd reckon Miller and Wallace will.
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Re: Otto a man in demand
« Reply #235 on: October 01, 2004, 09:52:26 PM »
Got some "mail" that contrary to news reports and rumours Geelong's official offer for Ottens is Pick 16, Corey Enright, Paul Chambers and a second round pick.
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Re: Otto a man in demand
« Reply #236 on: October 02, 2004, 02:43:42 AM »
Got some "mail" that contrary to news reports and rumours Geelong's official offer for Ottens is Pick 16, Corey Enright, Paul Chambers and a second round pick.


Chambers had an arthroscopy on his knee this year to remove some cartilage and missed the middle period of the season. Still reckon the Cats are trying to offload players they'll discard eventually. Enright's a pretty good player but due to his wrist injury this year he's fallen behind a few of the up and coming young Cat midfielders IMO.
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Swans select trade bait to snare Ottens
« Reply #237 on: October 04, 2004, 02:02:23 PM »
Swans select trade bait to snare Ottens
Greg Denham
October 04, 2004

SYDNEY has stepped up its bid to recruit disgruntled off-contract Richmond ruckman Brad Ottens.

And eight days after becoming a premiership player with Port Adelaide, midfielder Josh Carr yesterday informed coach Mark Williams he wants to be traded to Fremantle.

But Port chief executive Brian Cunningham warned the Dockers that the club would demand adequate compensation for losing its vice-captain.

"Fremantle have got a lot of work to do," Cunningham said. "To trade, we would need a (Byron) Schammer or a (Matthew) Pavlich type."

On the merry-go-round, Fremantle appear certain to lose off-contract ruckman Troy Simmonds to Richmond and possibly for no compensation in return.

Simmonds' management yesterday informed the Dockers he had agreed not to be traded to another club and would move on a long-term deal to the Tigers, who had first pick in the pre-season draft.

The Swans' bid to satisfy the Tigers with two first-round draft choices for Ottens will include offering players to the Western Bulldogs and Adelaide for either selection six or eight in next month's national draft as the first five selections, which belong to Richmond (two), Hawthorn (two) and the Bulldogs, have been reserved for the draft.

If successful and coupled with Sydney's first pick, No.15 overall, two first-round choices would then be on-traded to Richmond, which is seeking a combination of the best two selections from the Swans, Geelong and the Kangaroos before exchanging Ottens.

A successful trade with the Bulldogs for their second selection in the draft would almost ensure Ottens heads north where he has been offered a four-year deal worth $2million.

Sydney is preparing to tempt new Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade with a package of three players, which would more than likely include forward Nick Davis, defender Jason Saddington and another midfielder.

Eade has left the door ajar by saying he was "90 per cent sure" he would not trade his second pick. "It's off the radar for other clubs, unless we get something really good," Eade said.

Swans coach Paul Roos said yesterday Sydney would talk today to the Bulldogs about an exchange for pick six.

"We're keen to get hold of that selection to be able to get Ottens," Roos said.

"But first we need a commitment from Richmond of what they'll accept and we need that by midweek. We're not going to be held to ransom by Richmond by taking us to the deadline because we've got other deals to go."

The official trade period starts today and ends at 2pm on Friday.

The Swans will involve the Crows, if need be, to secure Ottens by offering ruckman Stephen Doyle and Nic Fosdike, both recruited from Adelaide clubs, for pick eight.

The snag in that scenario is the Kangaroos and Geelong are attempting to trade with Collingwood, which has pick seven, but so far has demanded an extremely high alternative for its first draft selection.

The Magpies have told the Kangaroos that releasing Brent Harvey would get the deal done, while the Pies have requested any one of James Kelly, Kane Tenace, Steve Johnson or James Bartel from the Cats to complete the exchange.

Geelong has declared none of the Magpies' wish list are available as they form part of coach Mark Thompson's list of 15 untouchables.

While the Magpies yesterday denied they are in the race to trade for Ottens, they could secure him in the pre-season draft as an off-contract player with an annual $500,000 price tag as they have the fourth selection in December.

Sydney also has offered Melbourne overall selection No.31 and Mark Powell to Melbourne for disgruntled but contracted ruckman Darren Jolly, who has also attracted keen interest from the Kangaroos and Carlton.

Should the Kangaroos miss Ottens, its target will be Hawthorn's contracted ruckman/forward Nathan Thompson, who has asked to be traded.

The Kangaroos will offer the Hawks its first pick (No.10) and another selection under 20 it hopes it can secure by trading their off-contract midfielder Jess Sinclair.

West Coast is also interested in Thompson, but chief executive Trevor Nisbett said yesterday the Eagles were well behind other clubs in what it could offer.

"Our aim is to get Tyson Stenglein (from Adelaide) and we might not have the quality draft picks that Hawthorn would require," Nisbett said.

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Kangaroos join race for Ottens
« Reply #238 on: October 04, 2004, 04:26:41 PM »
Kangaroos join race for Ottens
4 October, 2004
Paul Gough
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The Kangaroos have launched an audacious bid to snatch Richmond ruckman Brad Ottens away from his preferred club Geelong on the opening day of the AFL's trade period.

And the Roos' efforts are impressing the Tigers, which will not accept anything less than two first round picks (including one pick in the first ten selections) in exchange for one of the best big men in the competition and the clear stand-out player available in this year's trading period.

Ottens has already declared he wants to play for Geelong but the Roos are desperate to lure the ruckman/forward to Arden Street and have already offered the Tigers their first round pick in the draft - pick ten - in exchange for the 24-year-old.

With no other club likely to give up any of the first nine selections in the November 20 draft - this puts the Roos ahead of Geelong in the race for Ottens with the Cats' first pick not being until selection 16.

Richmond football operations manager Greg Miller said the Kangaroos told the Tigers on Monday, as trade week got underway at Optus Oval, that they were determined to secure Ottens.

"Brad has shown a keen desire to play for Geelong so we are waiting to see what they say but we have been clear with what we want from the start and nothing is going to change," he said.

"The Kangaroos have probably been the most aggressive about the whole thing - they reckon they can do the deal and we will wait and see about that."

"They are offering their first round choice which is number ten (for Ottens) so they are certainly in the hunt."

Miller said the Tigers were not interested in securing a player plus a first round pick in exchange for Ottens.

"We have made it clear we are not interested in players, we are interested in two draft choices in the first round," he said.

Kangaroos recruiting manager Neville Stibbard says his club is working on ways to secure another first round draft pick but believes the Roos have the advantage in the race to secure Ottens through their willingness to give up pick 10.

Richmond, Hawthorn and the Bulldogs have the first six picks with Collingwood, Adelaide and Carlton having the next three but none of these clubs are expected to relinquish those prized selections meaning the highest possible pick the Tigers are likely to get in return for Ottens is the Roos' pick ten.

"We have probably got in front of Geelong (in the race for Ottens) because of where our pick is located," Stibbard told Sportal on Monday.

"That doesn't necessarily mean we will get him over the line but we are working on ways to get another first round pick."

"We have got a few things on the table but I would prefer to keep them on the table at the moment."

If the Roos can satisfy the Tigers' wishes, they would then face the task of convincing Ottens to come to Arden Street but one thing in the club's favour is that with the retirement of Anthony Stevens plus the decision by the club to spend more on total player payments in 2005 (after they paid below the full salary cap figure in 2004), the Roos would be able to fit the highly-paid Ottens into their salary cap.

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Re: Otto a man in demand
« Reply #239 on: October 04, 2004, 04:47:57 PM »
The way the first 2 rounds stand are -
Rich - 1 & 4  ;D, 20
Haw - 2 & 5, 21
WB - 3 & 6, 22
Coll - 7, 23
Adel - 8, 24
Carl - 9, 25
NM - 10, 26
Freo - 11, 27
WC - 12, 28
Melb - 13, 29
Syd - 14, 30
Ess - 15, 31
Geel - 16, 32
StK - 17, 33
Bris - 18, 34
Port - 19, 35

Would we be willing to take 1 first rounder and 2 second rounders if north can't get the other first rounder ?  Maybe they can trade for an early 2nd rounder and throw in their own 2nd rounder aswell.  They seem quite desperate.  Someone like the bulldogs might throw in their 2nd rounder (22) for a Jess Sinclair and another player.  Would we be happy with picks 10, 22 and 26 for Ottens ?  Remembering that Geelong rebuilt its list with minimal early picks and numerous 2nd and 3rd round picks.  Depth is something we desperatley lack and having picks like 1,4,10,20,22,26,36,52 (8 in the top 50), excluding the Zantuck and other trades, would be a good starting point.

Does anyone have half an idea on anything?