Terry Wallace on the couch tonight

[wayne]

If you're playing three of the top teams it's not inconceivable you won't win any

a) Carlton aren't a "top" team yet, and hasn't been a top team for years. They flogged our rabble, had a 3 goal win over Brisbane and lost to Essendon. Hardly impressive.
b) It's the way we lost. We've played 2 good quarters in 12 so far. We're embarrasing, comical (to everyone other than Tiger supporters) and passionless.

[mightytiges]

Ta WP, Moi and Tucky for the summaries  .

It comes back to recruiting as well. Moore, McGuane, White and Foley were all late picks/rookies which isn't a bad record. They weren't however supplemented by good early choices in 2004-5 who are now in their 4th-5th years plus those missing years preceeding Wallace. Wallace said when he arrived he left recruiting to the recruiters. As head coach you're the one who cops the stuff if mistakes are made so you should be involved in recruiting as far as at least having knowledge of the players you're picking up before the draft. Especially in Richmond's case as our recruiting resources were the worst and smallest in the League. It was Miller and Beck and that was it  . No point saying you want player of type X and then turning up to preseason training after the draft and finding out the player is of type dud.

[Moi]

If you're playing three of the top teams it's not inconceivable you won't win any

a) Carlton aren't a "top" team yet, and hasn't been a top team for years. They flogged our rabble, had a 3 goal win over Brisbane and lost to Essendon. Hardly impressive.
b) It's the way we lost. We've played 2 good quarters in 12 so far. We're embarrasing, comical (to everyone other than Tiger supporters) and passionless.

I agree with you, it's the way we've played
But we played similar at the beginning of last year and it all worked out okay.
Give him till round 6 at least

[Hellenic Tiger]

Lets call a spade a spade WP. We all love the Tiges and we don't want to see things that occurred in Spuds last year from our fans and the club but he has had 5 years and he has failed. If you saw things differently then each to their own.

Tucker my issue has always been that the blame at the moment is focused on one individual rather than every single one of them.... players, other coaches, the club

I hate seeing this club reacting the way others (media, other club supporters etc) want us to. It drives me to this 

Believe me I am gutted by this loss - it is worse than round 1 but whether we want to face it or not we are 3 games into the season.

But people can have a go at me as much as they like but as far as I am concerned we are our own worst enemy at times..

I will repeat today's effort was unacceptable, it was insipid in the final quarter but facts are we are 3 games in and to think that yet again some so called "richmond people" (and gawd how I hate that term) are again plotting there own agendas and think their views are more improtant and carry more weight than yours or mine just p-sses me off

As for me I could not care less whether Terry coaches next week or our next flag or Dorothy the Dinosaur for that matter as when all these coaches directors players come and go I will still be there supporting the club. Its always us the supporters whose tenure and support far outweighs any RFC officials tenure.

Agree 100%

WP I agree with you on many issues and I always find your compassion for the club second to none.
The point you are making saying we can't focus on the coach based on the result is fine also but the type of players brought to the club and the style of play they have adopted is from the coach so yes in my opinion he is responsible for that end of the bargain. Is it Terry's fault he took up a coaching job at the club 22 years into an undefined period of failure? No it isn't but he has had 5 years to at least get a list that would have some upside to it in terms of skills competitiveness passion game plan. Yet the "culture" of the club and the rotten stench that has presided over the place still exists. He is also bereft of ideas with our game plan at the moment which results in a unskilled short chip chip sidewards stuff much like 2007.
What do I say I don't want this unwanted media attention at our club for lack of results but unfortunantely our results this year based on our overall results over 27 years eminate in feeling such as these.

[WilliamPowell]

Give him till round 6 at least

No, nope, nah we can't do that  

Heaven forbid we actually win a game or the next 3 and we end up being 3-3 after 6 rounds... things would actually start to look up and that can't happen

It would just ruin the lives of some people

[Francois Jackson]

Give him till round 6 at least

No, nope, nah we can't do that  

Heaven forbid we actually win a game or the next 3 and we end up being 3-3 after 6 rounds... things would actually start to look up and that can't happen

It would just ruin the lives of some people

what by beating the dees? Okay no worries.

So your content with another mid table finish are you?

it seems that some of you refuse to accept that Wallet is the problem and his assistant coaches.

[WilliamPowell]

it seems that some of you refuse to accept that Wallet is the problem and his assistant coaches.

What you've just said is the problem daniel

You blame no-one else but Wallace and the Coaches

Do you really think that the players aren't to blame too?

[Francois Jackson]

it seems that some of you refuse to accept that Wallet is the problem and his assistant coaches.

What you've just said is the problem daniel

You blame no-one else but Wallace and the Coaches

Do you really think that the players aren't to blame too?

yes but who put them there??? your man Wallet.

Who refused to get rid of duds like Schulz and who recruited fools like Tambling.

When a big clean was needed all those years ago, aka the hawks, wallace brought in his own cattle and now in 2008 added chicken arms Mcmahon.

Who has stalled the career of Lids. yep your man again.

who will stuff up Cotchin's career? yep your man Terry.

UNDERSTAND THIS WP. THE PLAYERS ARE NOT PLAYING FOR WALLET NO LONGER. THEY WANT HIM OUT!

[WilliamPowell]

UNDERSTAND THIS WP. THE PLAYERS ARE NOT PLAYING FOR WALLET NO LONGER. THEY WANT HIM OUT!

And who told you this exactly daniel? Jackstar? Or the entire playing group perhaps?

A very sweeping statement I must say

Sacking the coach is not going to make our players accountable for their efforts or in the case of some of them today lack of efforts

[Jackstar is back]

they asked him how many young players he has bought through, he named 4. Moore,Foley, McGaune ans White.
Thats one a year. Most clubs have 3-4 players a year..

Again you take liberty with what was said to suit your purpose

What did he say after he spoke about White? Care to add that

He said he could go on .....

Yes, but he didnt.
I am astounded that you are actually sticking up for him.
And please spare me, the thought of bringing Jordon McMahon back

[WilliamPowell]

I am astounded that you are actually sticking up for him.

No what I am actually doing is holding you to account for your incredible selective take on what gets said

[Jackstar is back]

Give him till round 6 at least

No, nope, nah we can't do that  

Heaven forbid we actually win a game or the next 3 and we end up being 3-3 after 6 rounds... things would actually start to look up and that can't happen

It would just ruin the lives of some people

You live in dream world, we will battle to win next week , let alone the next 3 

[WilliamPowell]

Give him till round 6 at least

No, nope, nah we can't do that  

Heaven forbid we actually win a game or the next 3 and we end up being 3-3 after 6 rounds... things would actually start to look up and that can't happen

It would just ruin the lives of some people

You live in dream world, we will battle to win next week , let alone the next 3 

I know that's what you want another loss....

[Jackstar is back]

it seems that some of you refuse to accept that Wallet is the problem and his assistant coaches.

What you've just said is the problem daniel

You blame no-one else but Wallace and the Coaches

Do you really think that the players aren't to blame too?

I actually blame the coaching staff, not the players, there you go.
There is about 4-5 who shouldnt get a game and the game plan is rubbish to say the least, there is no structure, no quick transition and no grunt!

[Jackstar is back]

UNDERSTAND THIS WP. THE PLAYERS ARE NOT PLAYING FOR WALLET NO LONGER. THEY WANT HIM OUT!

And who told you this exactly daniel? Jackstar? Or the entire playing group perhaps?

A very sweeping statement I must say

Sacking the coach is not going to make our players accountable for their efforts or in the case of some of them today lack of efforts

Oh yes it will, the players I keep in contact have NO RESPECT FOR HIM , FACT