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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #420 on: July 15, 2009, 11:38:46 PM »
Kerr gone for the season with OP will help the Eagles chances of holding onto their PP  :-\.


ah the westankers are up for it AGAIN.

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« Reply #421 on: July 15, 2009, 11:53:30 PM »
Kerr gone for the season with OP will help the Eagles chances of holding onto their PP  :-\.

Rd 22 Eagles v Tigers may go down the same path as Melbourne v Carlton in the same round in 2007.  Play kids and some first gamers Putt Gourdis Gilligan give the Eagles a start and they can worry about pick 4 or 5 while we worry about pick 1 or 2.

Rd 18 Ensure the Dees get off to a flyer and let them maintain that rage for the match whilst we make small inroads into the deficit at times to not totally embarass ourselves.

Sunday- Play King on Corey Jones. Deledio at FF Cousins in the Fwd pocket Tambling in the other pocket and start Tuck in the back pocket with Edwards in the centre with JON to ensure North have a ten goal quarter. Leave Jackson on the bench and let Boomer kick one of those goals where he puts his hand on his ear towards the 3 North fans choking on their four and twenties that evokes all that is the Shinboner spirit.

So North 5 wins

Get Melb to four with games against Freo and North to come

Eagles get to five with a win against us

Leaves Freo with 3 wins and hopefully a win against the Eagles in the derby as they have not won since rd 7 and bragging rights mean more to Freo hence they are a nothing club and the Eagles win flags.

End result wooden spoon to the Tigers. As Paul Keating once said this was the recession we had to have well Tuckerbag is saying this is the spoon we had to have. Paul Keating once said not long after the aforementioned comment that the figures of our monthly trade deficit reducing from the previous month was a beautiful set of numbers. Well for RFC pick 1 and another one or two first rounders and putting some players up for trade to get some early picks in the second round will be a beautiful set of numbers also. :thumbsup

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Mend fixture to end tank talk (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #422 on: July 16, 2009, 02:21:21 AM »
Mend fixture to end tank talk
Mark Stevens | July 16, 2009

IT DOESN'T take much to rile rank-and-file supporters. But they have two common gripes:

No. 1: The fixture is all over the shop and difficult to follow.

No.2: When you start barracking against your own team to ensure it gains an early draft pick, there is something horribly wrong.

But there is one simple solution to fix both problems: Go back to a more traditional draw and award the priority picks after Round 15 to stop all the tanking talk.

The AFL should next year return to the commonsense scenario of all 16 clubs playing each other once in the first 15 weeks.

Teams playing each other twice in the first 10 weeks is ridiculous. Some teams having to wait until Round 20 to meet for the first time is even more mind-boggling.

Returning to the traditional model would have the welcome flow-on effect of again making Round 15 a reasonable benchmark for assessing the performance of clubs.

A better benchmark than after Round 22, in fact, given which clubs you play twice can be so crucial in determining ladder order.

So rather than scrap the priority picks completely, they should be awarded after Round 15 when every team has played each other once.

The AFL could cut the qualification from no more than four wins to no more than three, in keeping with the shorter span.

The ladder after Round 22 would still determine draft order, but any priority pick would be decided earlier.

Richmond assistant coach David King raised a similar plan last year - and it makes sense. There would be a far smaller window for tanking speculation and the headlines that come with it.

There may be some jostling for spots from Rounds 13-15, but the AFL would rid itself of the current problem of seven weeks of tank talk from now until the end of the season.

And there would be significantly less incentive for clubs heading into Round 15 to look to draft picks rather than the four points.

Why would you consider tanking when you are still mathematically in the hunt for the finals? In the weeks leading up to Round 15, far more clubs are still in the mix.

The tanking talk gains momentum as clubs drop out of finals contention and face up to two months simply playing out time with an eye to next year.

So much of the footy played between now and Round 22 is junk because some clubs are going full-throttle for a premiership and others are shuffling kids and eyeing draft picks.

With the priority picks out of the way, lowly clubs are far more likely to be competitive in the final weeks of the season.

Sure, there may jockeying for spots in the final rounds, but that is difficult to manufacture. It is far easier to make sure you don't win a certain number of games.

But by the time the final rounds arrive, the big carrot - that tasty priority pick - would already be gobbled up.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25788205-19742,00.html

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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #423 on: July 16, 2009, 02:22:37 AM »
Tanking not a good outcome, but if we lose playing our young kids, thats fine, loose to nth melb this is fine, as we tried with what we have, but we loose the draft picks by winning
that silly, as we can have only to fail to get wins, wins means Jack Scalley, Jack Fitzpatrick, Ben Grittiths, and others that will be the players we wanted not the Losers.
Hope the Tank never happans again, but take it while it is there.

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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #424 on: July 16, 2009, 04:14:47 PM »
Again problem lies within the resources for scouting.

Should go far and beyond to scot for 30 plus players that are draftable not a handful.

We don't get our wanted picks and we make rash decisions like Oakly Nicholls who should have gone pick 20+
JON was not a rash decision, Francis Jackson loved him, Miller did too. At the draft night when asked who's pick he was Miller joked that if he failed he was Francis' and if he was a success then he was his, although that may have been the other way around.

The rest of the football world rated Hurn.

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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #425 on: July 16, 2009, 08:19:30 PM »
Again problem lies within the resources for scouting.

Should go far and beyond to scot for 30 plus players that are draftable not a handful.

We don't get our wanted picks and we make rash decisions like Oakly Nicholls who should have gone pick 20+
JON was not a rash decision, Francis Jackson loved him, Miller did too. At the draft night when asked who's pick he was Miller joked that if he failed he was Francis' and if he was a success then he was his, although that may have been the other way around.

The rest of the football world rated Hurn.
Stupid comment
If that was the case, then why did he slip to Pick 13?

Clarke & Higgins are the ones we really missed out on.

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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #426 on: July 16, 2009, 11:21:48 PM »
Again problem lies within the resources for scouting.

Should go far and beyond to scot for 30 plus players that are draftable not a handful.

We don't get our wanted picks and we make rash decisions like Oakly Nicholls who should have gone pick 20+
JON was not a rash decision, Francis Jackson loved him, Miller did too. At the draft night when asked who's pick he was Miller joked that if he failed he was Francis' and if he was a success then he was his, although that may have been the other way around.

The rest of the football world rated Hurn.
Stupid comment
If that was the case, then why did he slip to Pick 13?

Clarke & Higgins are the ones we really missed out on.
From memory we wanted Ryder, JON or IIRC Dempsey in that order. Who said 2 out of 3 ain't bad  :P. Miller didn't rate Clarke as a top 10 pick. Kennedy, Dowler and Ryder were his 1st round talls. Clarke was rated on par with Cleve as late 1st/early 2nd round talls.

Hurn was overlooked by some clubs because a bit like Rich last year they believe there was much development in him left given his solid ready-made body. Remember these decisions were made when a number of recruiters were in love with athletes who could run and jump while overlooking natural footballers.
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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #427 on: July 17, 2009, 12:58:46 AM »
Again problem lies within the resources for scouting.

Should go far and beyond to scot for 30 plus players that are draftable not a handful.

We don't get our wanted picks and we make rash decisions like Oakly Nicholls who should have gone pick 20+
JON was not a rash decision, Francis Jackson loved him, Miller did too. At the draft night when asked who's pick he was Miller joked that if he failed he was Francis' and if he was a success then he was his, although that may have been the other way around.

The rest of the football world rated Hurn.
Stupid comment
If that was the case, then why did he slip to Pick 13?

Clarke & Higgins are the ones we really missed out on.
From memory we wanted Ryder, JON or IIRC Dempsey in that order. Who said 2 out of 3 ain't bad  :P. Miller didn't rate Clarke as a top 10 pick. Kennedy, Dowler and Ryder were his 1st round talls. Clarke was rated on par with Cleve as late 1st/early 2nd round talls.

Hurn was overlooked by some clubs because a bit like Rich last year they believe there was much development in him left given his solid ready-made body. Remember these decisions were made when a number of recruiters were in love with athletes who could run and jump while overlooking natural footballers.
I didn't mean who we would have taken, just in hindsight who we "should have" taken. Clarke would have fixed a key forward and ruck need, however not sure we would have been able to keep him from going back to WA. Higgins is a gun, I can't remember the reason Miller & Jackson didn't rate him, but there would be a couple of clubs kicking themselves that they missed out on him.

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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #428 on: July 17, 2009, 01:27:21 AM »
Again problem lies within the resources for scouting.

Should go far and beyond to scot for 30 plus players that are draftable not a handful.

We don't get our wanted picks and we make rash decisions like Oakly Nicholls who should have gone pick 20+
JON was not a rash decision, Francis Jackson loved him, Miller did too. At the draft night when asked who's pick he was Miller joked that if he failed he was Francis' and if he was a success then he was his, although that may have been the other way around.

The rest of the football world rated Hurn.
Stupid comment
If that was the case, then why did he slip to Pick 13?

Clarke & Higgins are the ones we really missed out on.
From memory we wanted Ryder, JON or IIRC Dempsey in that order. Who said 2 out of 3 ain't bad  :P. Miller didn't rate Clarke as a top 10 pick. Kennedy, Dowler and Ryder were his 1st round talls. Clarke was rated on par with Cleve as late 1st/early 2nd round talls.

Hurn was overlooked by some clubs because a bit like Rich last year they believe there was much development in him left given his solid ready-made body. Remember these decisions were made when a number of recruiters were in love with athletes who could run and jump while overlooking natural footballers.
I didn't mean who we would have taken, just in hindsight who we "should have" taken. Clarke would have fixed a key forward and ruck need, however not sure we would have been able to keep him from going back to WA. Higgins is a gun, I can't remember the reason Miller & Jackson didn't rate him, but there would be a couple of clubs kicking themselves that they missed out on him.
No probs Infamy. I agree we should have taken Clarke  :(.
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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #429 on: July 17, 2009, 09:15:56 AM »
From memory we wanted Ryder, JON or IIRC Dempsey in that order. Who said 2 out of 3 ain't bad  :P. Miller didn't rate Clarke as a top 10 pick. Kennedy, Dowler and Ryder were his 1st round talls. Clarke was rated on par with Cleve as late 1st/early 2nd round talls.

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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #430 on: July 17, 2009, 09:43:00 AM »
From memory we wanted Ryder, JON or IIRC Dempsey in that order. Who said 2 out of 3 ain't bad  :P. Miller didn't rate Clarke as a top 10 pick. Kennedy, Dowler and Ryder were his 1st round talls. Clarke was rated on par with Cleve as late 1st/early 2nd round talls.

Thank god Miller has gone.
Its not quite that simple though
Clarke was a super junior talent, he was playing in the same level as Deledio at U16s but was even younger than him, won medals and was considered a standout #1 pick going into the 2005 U18 season.
There were massive question marks on his attitude though as he had a pretty shocking year at U18s level. He was petulant, took himself off the ground and missed games when interstate recruiters showed up. He did everything he could to show teams outside WA that he didn't want to leave. Had we picked him, I'm doubtful we would have been able to sort out his issues, the lack of success, lack of player development and well... lack of Leigh Matthews to play under, I would suggest he'd have asked for a trade pretty quickly.

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« Reply #431 on: July 17, 2009, 10:21:18 AM »

From memory we wanted Ryder, JON or IIRC Dempsey in that order. Who said 2 out of 3 ain't bad  :P. Miller didn't rate Clarke as a top 10 pick. Kennedy, Dowler and Ryder were his 1st round talls. Clarke was rated on par with Cleve as late 1st/early 2nd round talls.
They preferred Dowler and Ryder, but they were taken immediately before. It was Varcoe that they rated next, but they ended up passing on him because of a negative medical report about his foot.Dempsey was a consideration, but they rated JON above him.
They didn't want Mitch Clark because of so-called character and "attitude" issues.

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« Reply #432 on: July 17, 2009, 10:43:31 AM »
Everyone rated JON highly because of his impressive sprints and results from the academy, i remember reading in one forum they were saying he was going to be the next Judd  :lol Anyway, their is a degree of luck with every pick, shame it didnt work out for JON, I dont even think he could be a Blingers, he struggles to get a game and when he does, he reminds me of a deer in front of headlights  :rollin :banghead  :help

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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #433 on: July 17, 2009, 03:31:51 PM »
Again problem lies within the resources for scouting.

Should go far and beyond to scot for 30 plus players that are draftable not a handful.

We don't get our wanted picks and we make rash decisions like Oakly Nicholls who should have gone pick 20+
JON was not a rash decision, Francis Jackson loved him, Miller did too. At the draft night when asked who's pick he was Miller joked that if he failed he was Francis' and if he was a success then he was his, although that may have been the other way around.

The rest of the football world rated Hurn.
Stupid comment
If that was the case, then why did he slip to Pick 13?

Why di Rich go @ 7?

Hurn was seen as a stand out.

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Re: IT'S TIME TO GO THE TANK- IT'S OUR ONLY HOPE! [merged]
« Reply #434 on: July 17, 2009, 04:56:22 PM »
Everyone rated JON highly because of his impressive sprints and results from the academy, i remember reading in one forum they were saying he was going to be the next Judd  :lol Anyway, their is a degree of luck with every pick, shame it didnt work out for JON, I dont even think he could be a Blingers, he struggles to get a game and when he does, he reminds me of a deer in front of headlights  :rollin :banghead  :help

i think JON has been one of the biggest losers from our lack of player development skills in-club. We didn't know how to make a good footballer out of him and apparently couldn't convince him to eat a hamburger now and then to put some weight on.

I think his career (if it doesn't improve from here) is more a blight on the RFC dev. staff than his own personal ability or willingness to train or anything like that. All of this is my own opinion of course.