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Re: Please, Terry, just go!
« Reply #75 on: May 10, 2009, 02:27:54 PM »
They both could of played to years end. By memory he chopped Gas after round 5.

For memory he was going to drop Gaspar back to Coburg. He didn't chop him - Gaspar walked away rather than sticking it out, Gaspar made the choice.

And big tone... it is Putts 2nd season not third

Can someone please explain to me how sackng the coach now will mean we will get the best coach available for 2010.... sacking a coach will guarantee we don't get the best coach available for 2010... Our hysterical history tells us that...

One of the saddest things is we will have a new coach in 2010 and he will no doubt get us either into the 8 or close to it in 2010 and so many people will say he is a genius and our saviour. But pounds to peanuts within 3 years we will be where are now and the same people lauding him will baying for his blood when the baying should be for some our players the senior ones in particular who show no leadership and I question whether they really give a stuff

GREAT post WP, some of you eat your own idiot's need to read this post over and over and over again!!!!
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Re: Please, Terry, just go!
« Reply #76 on: May 10, 2009, 02:31:33 PM »
He and others like him are a classic example of the type of supporters that are a cancer in our club and until they either change their ways or leave, I fear the losses will continue. Never once have I heard anything constructive come out of their mouths, they just continue to take the easy out and say sack the coach, sack the coach. Well....we have been regularly sacking coaches for the past 30 years and where has it gotten us??? This club has been pandering to our more militant supporters for far too long and it has to stop. The culture of losing in our club is not due to people who have stepped up and had a crack at trying to gain success for us, its the people in the shadows with their knives waiting for them to fall.

The times may change but the song remains the same.....for some.

Go Tigers...Now and forever, regardless of results!  :gotigers

Great post tiga

And for the bit I've highlighted never has a truer word been spoken

The faceless cowards who see this CLub as their own personal possession with their knives stabbing away will always hold this Club back



So WP, you want to keep Wallace to the end of the year do you ? ::)

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Re: Please, Terry, just go!
« Reply #77 on: May 10, 2009, 03:06:17 PM »

So WP, you want to keep Wallace to the end of the year do you ? ::)

Jack - I have been incredibly clear on this whole issue all the way through.

I believe the contract should be honoured. My view on this has not and will not change.

Can I make it any clearer?



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Re: Please, Terry, just go!
« Reply #78 on: May 10, 2009, 03:40:02 PM »

So WP, you want to keep Wallace to the end of the year do you ? ::)

Jack - I have been incredibly clear on this whole issue all the way through.

I believe the contract should be honoured. My view on this has not and will not change.

Can I make it any clearer?




If we sack TW mid year you may as well cross off the best contenders for the job as no one wants to coach at a club that has poor job security. Thats why we ended up with Spud and he hasnt exactly been inundated with coaching offers since.

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Re: Please, Terry, just go!
« Reply #79 on: May 10, 2009, 05:18:43 PM »

So WP, you want to keep Wallace to the end of the year do you ? ::)

Jack - I have been incredibly clear on this whole issue all the way through.

I believe the contract should be honoured. My view on this has not and will not change.

Can I make it any clearer?




If we sack TW mid year you may as well cross off the best contenders for the job as no one wants to coach at a club that has poor job security. Thats why we ended up with Spud and he hasnt exactly been inundated with coaching offers since.
Time to appoint one of our own.

Give Cambo the caretaker job (round 12 onwards).

Make a decision at the end of the season; Cambo or Malthouse.

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Re: Please, Terry, just go!
« Reply #80 on: May 10, 2009, 07:48:49 PM »
They both could of played to years end. By memory he chopped Gas after round 5.

For memory he was going to drop Gaspar back to Coburg. He didn't chop him - Gaspar walked away rather than sticking it out, Gaspar made the choice.

And big tone... it is Putts 2nd season not third

Can someone please explain to me how sackng the coach now will mean we will get the best coach available for 2010.... sacking a coach will guarantee we don't get the best coach available for 2010... Our hysterical history tells us that...

One of the saddest things is we will have a new coach in 2010 and he will no doubt get us either into the 8 or close to it in 2010 and so many people will say he is a genius and our saviour. But pounds to peanuts within 3 years we will be where are now and the same people lauding him will baying for his blood when the baying should be for some our players the senior ones in particular who show no leadership and I question whether they really give a stuff

In 1997 Melbourne sacked Neil Balme after round 9. They got Neale Daniher good candidate.
In 1998 Brisbane sacked John Northey after 12 games. Roger Merrett took over for the rest of the year and Leigh Matthews was appointed.
In 2000 St Kilda sacked Tim Watson but although he saw out the year Blight was appointed.
In 2001 Drum was sa cked mid season at Freo with Ben Allan taking over. Connolly was appointed at the end of the year. Has taken them to their only two finals series.
In 2002 Rodney Eade got the sack mid year. Roos got the gig and won 6 from 10 games and alot more in the next few years.
In 2004 Ayres got the stuff from the Crows mid season. Craig is still there coaching.
In 2007 Pagan got the chop late in the year. They tanked and although they still have problems with their list they are a 14 goal better team than us.
Sheeds got the stuff after round 16 he stayed on till the end of the year and Knighters took over but gee I hope we don't spend another generation trying to lure an ex Tiger to Punt Rd from Essendon.

If done correctly now we can be seen as humane. Humanely tell Wallace you won't get another contract but stay till the end of the year. This will at least reflect well when we interview prospective candidates for the full time gig next year. If he really "loves the club, and the job he has undertaken in the last 5 years and its players" he'll stick it out with dignity and at least bow out with humility and respect, if not he can walk out and tell all to a clambering media about how bad we are and he did not have the support and RFC is an unprofessional organisation blah blah blah and he was the one who was wronged.

Having him around at the same time with nothing being said is more detrimental than good. If people want to honour his contract for the sake of 15 games then so be it. It has not affected the chances of other clubs in the past when they have had to part ways with a coach. I think we have become too sensitive in fearing that we don't offend anyone such as the coach, however losing the way we did in rd 1 ot rd 3 or yesterday for that matter aint healthy either, and the lossess will only get worse and worse psych sapping and heavier than before and we will sink to new lows. Unfortunantely March has to come out and be bullish and aggresive for the sake of the club as you know what its the club and the supporters like us that remain well after a coaches and pres tenure begins and end and we are the ones that are asked to keep on supporting. Wallace needs to go and needs to go soon.

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Re: Please, Terry, just go!
« Reply #81 on: May 10, 2009, 08:14:52 PM »
Great post Tuckerbag.
My concern is this.
That the losses have been extremely bad.
Players get disallusioned,
Sponsors become harder to keep on board or attract new ones.
And a losing culture is let to keep festering away with Wallace staying on.
I dont like the way we have been losing and its real damaging to the brand , Club and players.
He has to go soon.
We need "'upside"' and quick.

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Re: Please, Terry, just go!
« Reply #82 on: May 10, 2009, 08:22:36 PM »
terry wallace and the rfc are like a married couple who dont love each other anymore but still are together. it is pointless. one or both have to make  a move. terry knows they dont want him , and terry is just going through the motions in a loveless marriage

it is an all round stuffed up situation where neither party has the balls to make the 1st move
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Re: Please, Terry, just go!
« Reply #83 on: May 10, 2009, 08:38:33 PM »
Psyche of players gets worse. Losing culture continues.
We got Luxbet for a year will they stay on? Look how close to the seasons start Melbourne had to wait for sponsors.

Look just thank Wallace for the last five years give him his dignity and let him walk away.  Losses will become more galling and more painful. Destructive to player psyche and to sponsors and members. Look back to 2004 rd 2 -5 to Melb n a Fri Nite Saints on Easter Monday Geelong on a Sat night after they monstered us in the first half especially Ben Graham and that Adelaide loss.
 Shocking losses also rd 9 at Port and that awful loss against the Roos in rd 11 when we were a couple of goals up early in the 3rd and we lost by 74 points. Freo in rd 12 kept them scoreless in the first quarter and led by 27 at half time and still lost by 10. These losses will become more and more common until Terry is either sacked from coaching or told coach till the end of the year and no contract extention.
The last thing we need as a club right now is to not say anything publically on this matter and allow emotions to fester in the supporters as was the case in 2004 in rd 4 when that supporter went on the footy show on the Sunday after the game and the spitting incident in round 5 and then we have to be in the news for more wrong reasons with the eats our own headline.Which in reality is wrong didn't Essendon do that in 2007 with Sheeds sacking or St Kilda doing that for 110 years or other clubs. Another media saying to sell newspapers and belittle us and project a negative impression.
 To again draw parallell lines with Spuds departure in 2004 he lost every game after the decision to let him go was made public but the losses although bad were not of the extent pain gall and hinderance to the club as earlier in the season. Wallace the Messiah was coming :lol

At least this time we won't make the same mistake. Substance people not cheap words that have not been backed up by actions.

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Re: Please, Terry, just go!
« Reply #84 on: May 10, 2009, 09:15:40 PM »
If we sack TW mid year you may as well cross off the best contenders for the job as no one wants to coach at a club that has poor job security. Thats why we ended up with Spud and he hasnt exactly been inundated with coaching offers since.

It's actually interesting you mention this GR12 - Malthouse who some on here have already annointed as our next great messiah has already stated he would go near a club that sacked its coach mid-season...

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Re: Please, Terry, just go!
« Reply #85 on: May 10, 2009, 09:20:38 PM »
They both could of played to years end. By memory he chopped Gas after round 5.

For memory he was going to drop Gaspar back to Coburg. He didn't chop him - Gaspar walked away rather than sticking it out, Gaspar made the choice.

And big tone... it is Putts 2nd season not third

Can someone please explain to me how sackng the coach now will mean we will get the best coach available for 2010.... sacking a coach will guarantee we don't get the best coach available for 2010... Our hysterical history tells us that...

One of the saddest things is we will have a new coach in 2010 and he will no doubt get us either into the 8 or close to it in 2010 and so many people will say he is a genius and our saviour. But pounds to peanuts within 3 years we will be where are now and the same people lauding him will baying for his blood when the baying should be for some our players the senior ones in particular who show no leadership and I question whether they really give a stuff

spot on.

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Re: Please, Terry, just go!
« Reply #86 on: May 10, 2009, 10:12:15 PM »
I'll tell you why we need sack Terry- Yesturday was the first time in a long time i decided to work instead of going to watch my Tigers play. I work for myself and week in week out work i organise work around the Tigers games. For a long time we have been pretty ordinary and even after a lose i would be able to come away with some possitives from our games.
Even under TW we have played some pretty exciting footy, the ball used to ping around from end to end, it would be a shoot out between us and whoever we were playing. Mostly we would run out of puff towards the end and get run over but at least it was exciting win or loose. But at the moment the type of footy we are playing is not inticing people including myself back to games. A few on here will be thinking "no big lose" but if we the supporters and members don't show up, where will we be? This alone is not good for the Richmond Football Club and inturn is hurting our brand.
Sure it is the right thing to do to honour Terry's contract but to what extent, we will loose sponsers and members and even just simple supporters signing on next year if we keep going the way we are. It's all well and good to be high and mighty and say 'support your club no matter' what but it is extremely hard to stand by and watch this once great club the way it is.
It is easy for some to sit on your hands and just wish things to get better but it takes the stoing to do something about it. I only hope the RFC is stong enough not to just sit back and let this continue.


 

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Re: Please, Terry, just go!
« Reply #87 on: May 10, 2009, 10:25:04 PM »
If we sack TW mid year you may as well cross off the best contenders for the job as no one wants to coach at a club that has poor job security. Thats why we ended up with Spud and he hasnt exactly been inundated with coaching offers since.

It's actually interesting you mention this GR12 - Malthouse who some on here have already annointed as our next great messiah has already stated he would go near a club that sacked its coach mid-season...


That nice of him to say when he has a secure job, however it would be interesting to see if he changes his mind when he's looking at unemployment

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Re: Please, Terry, just go!
« Reply #88 on: May 10, 2009, 10:53:25 PM »
It is easy for some to sit on your hands and just wish things to get better but it takes the stoing to do something about it. I only hope the RFC is stong enough not to just sit back and let this continue.


big tone - I know and appreciate that we will never agree on this topic and that's fine

But I have to say again and I posted the same thing 3 weeks ago the easiest thing in the world for the RFC to do is sack the coach.

The toughest thing in the world for them to do is honour that contract and more importantly honour what they (the Club) have been saying they are going to do for the last 6 months.

We have supporters baying for blood and looking for a scapegoat, the media just waiting for the club to implode and the entire footy world watching waiting for us to screw up

Sacking the coach is not going to fix the inherent problems at the RFC, it will patch over the cracks make us look like an absolute basket case.

I have no doubt it make some people feel really good for a short period of time until it all goes pear shaped again and then we will go through same thing again.

I suppose when it's all said and done it is a question of what you see as being strong.

You say "I only hope the RFC is stong enough not to just sit back and let this continue" and that's your right and I understand your view

To me sacking the coach isn't necessarily strong it (in some cases) simply becomes a buckling to the pressure being exerted by a variety of groups some of which have no right to have any say in the situation   

For mine being strong is sometimes by its very nature making the unpopular decisions

As I said we will just have to agree to disagree as I know you wont change your view and I am not going to change mine  :thumbsup
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Re: Please, Terry, just go!
« Reply #89 on: May 10, 2009, 11:42:44 PM »
I dont believe that Terry is the mercenary that many posters make him out to be.However I have not ruled out the possibility that he may walk after round 12.

There is going to come a point where Terry is going to be in a "No Win" situation.He will still get criticised for any loss...... and get blamed that any win could cost us a high draft pick.

I wouldn't blame him if he didn't want to work under those circumstances.
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