Coburg vs Werribee, Sunday May 31

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Browne marks in the centre and Carnell marks inside 50m. Siren. Goal 

Final score

Coburg    6.4   13.5   17.8   20.12-132
Werribee  3.3   6.10   9.11   10.14-74

Goals: Schulz 8, Edwards 2, Carnell 2, Post, Hislop, Thomson, Connors, Gourdis, McMahon, Liddle, King

[bojangles17]

Browne marks in the centre and Carnell marks inside 50m. Siren. Goal 

Final score

Coburg    6.4   13.5   17.8   20.12-132
Werribee  3.3   6.10   9.11   10.14-74

Goals: Schulz 8, Edwards 2, Carnell 2, Post, Hislop, Thomson, Connors, Gourdis, McMahon, Liddle, King

what about best players

[Infamy]

Looking forward to some match reports from some who were there
I hope we make a few changes to the Richmond side, regardless of the win

[one-eyed]

what about best players

Hard to give best players exactly when you're only listening on the radio and the commentators haven't summed up yet 


Bests: Schulz, Thomson, Edwards, Connors, Jordie, Silvester, Cogs, Vickery, Browne, King. Probably only Gourdis was disappointing as far as RFC blokes.

[bojangles17]

what about best players

Hard to give best players exactly when you're only listening on the radio and the commentators haven't summed up yet 


Bests: Schulz, Thomson, Edwards, Connors, Jordie, Silvester, Cogs, Vickery, Browne, King. Probably only Gourdis was disappointing as far as RFC blokes.

howsa about Poster boy

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howsa about Poster boy

What's with the rolleyes after each post? Sheesh I don't have to provide updates you know. The radio coverage was over the internet if you want to do it next time bj.

Yep Post was very good too (first 3 quarters). Legs tired in the last quarter.

[one-eyed]

2009 VFL Reserves

Coburg Tigers     5.6  7.9  11.12  16.14 (110)
Werribee Tigers   1.1  4.5    6.7    10.12 (72)

GOALS:
Coburg Tigers: Hughes 4 Cattapan 2 Hislop 2 Jordon 2 Clifton  Horne  Rayson  Kellett  Allan Gilligan
Werribee Tigers: Robbins 2 O'Keefe 2 Lawson  Latella  Lunardi  Meredith  Risol  Kovacevic

BEST:
Coburg Tigers: Cattapan Dahl McErlain Putt Groves Gilligan
Werribee Tigers: Fletcher Haby Risol O'Keefe Lunardi Latella

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2009 VFL Seniors

Coburg Tigers     6.4  13.5  17.8  20.12 (132)
Werribee Tigers   3.3  6.10  9.11  10.14 (74)

GOALS:
Coburg Tigers: Schulz 8 Edwards 2 Carnell 2 Post  Hislop  McMahon Liddle  King  Thomson  Connors  Gourdis
Werribee Tigers: Martiniello 3 Gleeson 2 Grima  Black  Castello  Kennedy  Barlow

BEST:
Coburg Tigers: Schulz King Clarke Edwards McMahon Coughlan
Werribee Tigers: Martiniello Dickson Hansen Grima Barlow Black

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[RollsRoyce]

I just got back from Coburg. Just a minor quibble with the umpiring. Just before 1/4 time when they got 3 quick goals back:the ball was in front of our goals, and Gourdis copped the most blatant 2-handed shove out you could ever see, but the umpires apparently didn't. Then Werribee rushed it away for a goal. At the centre bounce they then received a tiggy touchwood free, and 50m penalty, but missed the shot. As I made my way to the qtr time huddle the umpire sprinted past me to the changerooms, and I said to him, "are you going to check on your guide dog?"
I spoke to Gus Graham at the 1/4 time huddle, and he said he'd be right to play next week
Vickery and Browne's tap work were sensational as usual. But I think Vickery needs to be able impose himself on the game more when resting forward before he can be seriously considered for Richmond. He might get a game at some stage this year.
Today was an absolutely defining game for Jayden Post. Everybody around me said the same thing.The best game he's played for Coburg at either level so far. His pack marking both in defence, and when he drifted forward, and his run and carry  and delivery were sensational. When he fills out a bit, he and Rance will be the solid backbone of our defence for many years to come.
Schulz was terrific again today. I know a lot of people have run out of patience with him,but I reckon if we just let him play exclusively at full forward for 120 minutes a week at Richmond, he may just come good yet. I think a big part of the problem with him has been that he's never been allowed to have a clearly defined role. One minute he's across half-forward.The next we get an injury down back, and he's swung into defence,or worse to the bench for long stretches. As I say, just leave him at full forward with Jack, Morton,Nahas,Browny and maybe Patto in support, and there's our starting six.   
Cogs and Thompson were fighting it out for Whitey's spot next week, with Cogs probably just shading him. But I would like to see Thommo come in sometime soon, to see what he can do. Also Hislop played well today (in a no.35 jumper I think), and earned a big rap from Rawlings for his defensive pressure. Which is something that Gourdis continues to apply, constantly chasing down blokes coming out of defence.
Anyway, that's my impressions of a pretty pleasing day overall. 

[bojangles17]

howsa about Poster boy

What's with the rolleyes after each post? Sheesh I don't have to provide updates you know. The radio coverage was over the internet if you want to do it next time bj.

Yep Post was very good too (first 3 quarters). Legs tired in the last quarter.

geezuz, sorry for asking, I'll buy the paper next time

[mightytiges]

I just got back from Coburg. Just a minor quibble with the umpiring. Just before 1/4 time when they got 3 quick goals back:the ball was in front of our goals, and Gourdis copped the most blatant 2-handed shove out you could ever see, but the umpires apparently didn't. Then Werribee rushed it away for a goal. At the centre bounce they then received a tiggy touchwood free, and 50m penalty, but missed the shot. As I made my way to the qtr time huddle the umpire sprinted past me to the changerooms, and I said to him, "are you going to check on your guide dog?"
I spoke to Gus Graham at the 1/4 time huddle, and he said he'd be right to play next week
Vickery and Browne's tap work were sensational as usual. But I think Vickery needs to be able impose himself on the game more when resting forward before he can be seriously considered for Richmond. He might get a game at some stage this year.
Today was an absolutely defining game for Jayden Post. Everybody around me said the same thing.The best game he's played for Coburg at either level so far. His pack marking both in defence, and when he drifted forward, and his run and carry  and delivery were sensational. When he fills out a bit, he and Rance will be the solid backbone of our defence for many years to come.
Schulz was terrific again today. I know a lot of people have run out of patience with him,but I reckon if we just let him play exclusively at full forward for 120 minutes a week at Richmond, he may just come good yet. I think a big part of the problem with him has been that he's never been allowed to have a clearly defined role. One minute he's across half-forward.The next we get an injury down back, and he's swung into defence,or worse to the bench for long stretches. As I say, just leave him at full forward with Jack, Morton,Nahas,Browny and maybe Patto in support, and there's our starting six.   
Cogs and Thompson were fighting it out for Whitey's spot next week, with Cogs probably just shading him. But I would like to see Thommo come in sometime soon, to see what he can do. Also Hislop played well today (in a no.35 jumper I think), and earned a big rap from Rawlings for his defensive pressure. Which is something that Gourdis continues to apply, constantly chasing down blokes coming out of defence.
Anyway, that's my impressions of a pretty pleasing day overall. 

Cheers for the report RR  .

How was Edwards' game in your opinion? On the radio it sounded like he had the ball on a string and was close to our next best behind Schulz.

I think Sarge's problem is at the slower VFL level the opposition leave defensive gaps for a lead and mark forward. It's more old school footy. Whereas at AFL the forwards have to (repeatedly) work their backside off to find space and get their hands on the footy inside 50. Sarge can also stay at home close to goal at VFL level whereas forward defensive pressure is the buzz word at AFL level. For Sarge it isn't so much what he does at AFL level that's the problem; it's what he doesn't do. He's kicked bags for Coburg a number of times whereas he's regularly had little impact up forward for Richmond and gone missing.

[RollsRoyce]

Hiya Mighty Tiges,
Just on Shane Edwards: My Coburg mates and I do tend to follow the forwards from end to end, so we miss a lot of the finer details at the defensive end. But Edwards did spark a lot of debate amongst our group. His fans were piping up when he completed a good piece of play,and saying he should be at Richmond. His detractors pointed out his skinny frame after 2-3 years on our list,said that Nahas had done more in a short time, and made a meal of Shane's odd clangers.
My opinion of Edwards is that he started his career very promisingly, but has gone backwards. This proves that he can play, but for whatever reasons his development has stalled. I can understand that giving him a defensive role at Coburg is a learning experience designed to round out his game. But ultimately, I hope that it will only make him a better forward at Richmond. Because I still believe that he is only a crumbing forward. Back pockets and HBF's should have muscle and grunt or you'll get exposed IMO. Look at McMahon and Edwards on our half-back line against Carlton in rd1 for proof.
I forgot about JON who still provides comedy gold. I love the kid's endeavour, but his awareness compared to some of his brothers at other clubs is just laughable. Yesterday we were on the break between wing and half-forward without a Werribee player within coo-ee of the ball, and an open forward line beckoning. All JON had to do was pick up the ball unopposed, and run into goal. But he got a fit of the fumbles, and bumbled, flailed and tripped himself up trying to gather, before finally just managing to get spill it to a teammate.
Finally on Schulz. I guess it's just frustrating to see him go back to Coburg and do so  consistently well. But not be able to re-produce it at Richmond. Is it solely the increase in tempo and defensive professionalism? Is it that he's constantly being chopped and changed, and benched instead of settling into a full forward role? Or is it that we just don't deliver to our forwards properly? Look how other teams use the corridor and send in chest high bullet passes in front of their forwards to run onto. While we continue to build up the wing and bomb to the goalsquare.If as you say MT other sides are good at closing down our forwards leading space, isn't it our job to find a way to open that space up again, rather than giving up and blaming the forward?

[Tigermonk]

Edwards & McMahon are VFL players like Shulzs and should stay there or move on to SANFL WAFL QFL cause they aint AFL standard

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Round 8 Match Report
COBURG TIGERS v WERRIBEE TIGERS
ABD GROUP STADIUM
SUNDAY 31ST MAY
By Glenn Robertson

Coburg returned home to ABD Group Stadium this week to take on the Werribee Tigers on Sunday. The Burgers have been very hard to beat at home this year and went into the game as solid favourites. Jack Riewoldt who had kicked twelve goals in the previous two weeks returned to the Richmond side, however the Burgers side was still heaving with a bundle of Richmond listed players.

Contrary to previous weeks the Burgers had their kicking boots on early and were exceptionally accurate in front of goal, converting almost every set shot they had.

At the main break both sides had a similar amount of scoring shots but the Burgers had a near unassailable lead. Jay Schultz was the standout player for the Burgers kicking eight majors, as the boys ran away with a 58 point victory.

Coburg got on top of Werribee early thanks to the great run out of defence and through the midfield from Jake King and Jordan McMahon. Both men are experienced players and their use of the ball moving forward was excellent. Werribee managed to slot through three majors for the term, but the Burgers mustered six of their own and went into the first break with a 19 point margin in their favour.

¼ Time: Coburg Tigers 6.4 (40)   Werribee 3.3 (21)

 The Burgers turned it up a notch in the second quarter kicking an extremely accurate seven goals one behind for the quarter. Werribee on the other hand were atrocious in kicking for goals converting only three majors from the eleven shots on goal for the quarter. Coburg’s great defensive pressure was a key to Werribee’s inaccurate quarter. Shane Edwards shone in the second term with his explosive speed allowing him to break free from the stoppages, he also finished with two majors. The Burgers held a decisive 37 point lead at the main change.

½ Time: Coburg Tigers 13.5 (83)   Werribee 6.10 (46)

The speed of play dropped a little during the third term, with Werribee able to hold the ball up for small periods during the quarter. Never the less Coburg made the most of their scoring opportunities when they controlled the ball and outscored the Werribee side again to take a nine goal margin into the final break. Jay Schultz was clearly the best player on the ground. Not only did he finish with eight majors but his marking was outstanding. Each big grab caused for a large roar form the home fans.

¾ Time: Coburg Tigers 17.8 (110)   Werribee 9.11 (65)

The result was clearly beyond doubt in the final term, and it showed by the way both sides just went through the motions to finish off the match. Tim Clarke was again instrumental winning the hard ball at the stoppages, while the return of Mark Coughlan also strengthened the Burgers midfield. Coburg added another three goals in the last quarter and eventuated comfortable 58 point winners. It was the Burgers their win on the trot and elevates them to third spot on the ladder with a very healthy percentage. This Sunday the Burgers meet North Ballarat at the Northern Oval starting at 2.00pm, with the reserves at 11.10am.

Coburg Tigers    6.4    13.5    17.8    20.12 (132)
Werribee Tigers  3.3    6.10    9.11    10.14 (74)

Goal Kickers: J. Schulz 8, N. Carnell 2 , S. Edwards 2, T. Hislop, A. Thomson, D. Gourdis, J. King J. McMahon, J. Post, D. Connors, N. Liddle

Best Players: J. Schulz, J. King, T. Clarke, S. Edwards, J. McMahon, M. Coughlan

RESERVES

Coburg’s reserves notched their fourth win of the season defeating Werribee by 38 points. After a five goal lead at quarter time the boys added four majors to two in the third term to put the result beyond doubt. The win moves the Burgers back in to the top four on the ladder.

Youngsters Nic Cattapan and Dean Putt were outstanding for the Burgers dominating play all over the ground, while Cleve Hughes was the main target up forward finishing with four majors for the match. Hamish Dahl and Christian McErlain were also solid contributors for Coburg

Coburg Tigers   5.6   7.9   11.12   16.14 (110)
Werribee Tigers 1.1   4.5     6.7    10.12 (72)

Goal Kickers: C. Hughes 4, J. Hislop 2, R. Jordon 2, N. Cattapan 2, R. Allan, A. Gilligan, M. Kellett, D. Rayson, J. Horne, B. Clifton

Best Players: N. Cattapan, H. Dahl, C. McErlain, D. Putt, T. Groves, A. Gilligan

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[mightytiges]

Cheers RR. Been meaning to reply to your post

I forgot about JON who still provides comedy gold. I love the kid's endeavour, but his awareness compared to some of his brothers at other clubs is just laughable. Yesterday we were on the break between wing and half-forward without a Werribee player within coo-ee of the ball, and an open forward line beckoning. All JON had to do was pick up the ball unopposed, and run into goal. But he got a fit of the fumbles, and bumbled, flailed and tripped himself up trying to gather, before finally just managing to get spill it to a teammate.

I remember that play from the broadcast lol. JON's a good lad but sadly isn't an AFL footballer and he should never have been a first round pick. Not his fault of course that he was rated so highly. I don't think a new coach will have much sympathy for a flanker who is still running around in the VFL after 4 years in the system. Would another club think to itself it's more Richmond's fault (ie. player development or lack of) and offer up a draft pick for him at the trade table given he was a top 10 pick? 

Finally on Schulz. I guess it's just frustrating to see him go back to Coburg and do so  consistently well. But not be able to re-produce it at Richmond. Is it solely the increase in tempo and defensive professionalism? Is it that he's constantly being chopped and changed, and benched instead of settling into a full forward role? Or is it that we just don't deliver to our forwards properly? Look how other teams use the corridor and send in chest high bullet passes in front of their forwards to run onto. While we continue to build up the wing and bomb to the goalsquare.If as you say MT other sides are good at closing down our forwards leading space, isn't it our job to find a way to open that space up again, rather than giving up and blaming the forward?

It's probably a mixture of all three reasons you've mentioned RR to be honest given our lack of scoring. However, I still think the main reason Sarge has struggled at AFL level is he is too one-dimensional as a forward and he provides no presence or pressure both in the air busting packs open and at ground level. He goes missing and comes across as lazy both in physical effort and above the shoulders. He just does too many dumb lazy things that he may get away with in the VFL but can't be tolerated at AFL level. I remember the Brisbane game where he showed no composure 70m out from goal despite having time to find the best option and he just kicked the ball high inside 50 without even looking. We did actually get a goal from the ensuing contest lol but you won't score many with blind hail marys into the forward line. His goalkicking return hasn't been that crash hot either for Richmond - just 3 goals from 4 games as a FF and not the most reliably accurate kick either in Y&B . 7 years in the system is a long time to be just a fringe player. If Port are still interested or the rumours going around the traps are true that North may be interested after Sarge kicked 8 on Hansen last weekend then trade him.