Team vs. Eagles

[Tigermonk]

dont care if you dont beleive me Moi, l'm not a Hutchy  l'm a Richmond supporter who tells it as it is. Big leaks when people aint happy.

If you really cared, darl, you'd fire off an email to the club and tell them what you know.  And then we can eff them off as well as the ones dropped last night 

  darl gee l like that  like to tell you first  so you can email them sweety 

[TigerLand]

dont care if you dont beleive me Moi, l'm not a Hutchy  l'm a Richmond supporter who tells it as it is. Big leaks when people aint happy.

It's obvious your close to Joel Bowden, thats fine and happy to see this as I've enjoyed seeing Joel play win best and fairest and win All Australians.

Whether its Joel you've talked to or not that is unhappy etc is irrelevant, but disappointing that leaks occur cause men can't be professional.

Will be fixed next year.

Gone:
Bowden
Johnson
Brown
Simmonds
McMahon
Pettifer

Simple as that. See if the leaks still occur with these gone. Can't be disappointed and leaking when your sitting at home watching it on the TV.

TM you say its the worst selections you've seen all year and we are going to burn. Your just flipping out because Joel has been dropped.

You've agreed with every selection except Bowden. Doesn't really add up.

[Lozza]

Its always hard to come to terms with a club stalwart such as Joel being put in the category of over the hill. He has been a great player for the tigers but of late he no longer poses a threat to opposition teams. Yes he has been racking up the possessions but this is where statistics dont provide the full truth, alot of his possessions are sideways chips, not including hard running to provide an attacking option. Rawlings i believe has been given a mandate to instill a more direct uncomplicated attacking style of gameplay, unfortunately i dont believe Joel's mindset and aging body is suitable to such an approach.

[Tigermonk]

dont care if you dont beleive me Moi, l'm not a Hutchy  l'm a Richmond supporter who tells it as it is. Big leaks when people aint happy.

It's obvious your close to Joel Bowden, thats fine and happy to see this as I've enjoyed seeing Joel play win best and fairest and win All Australians.

Whether its Joel you've talked to or not that is unhappy etc is irrelevant, but disappointing that leaks occur cause men can't be professional.

Will be fixed next year.

Gone:
Bowden
Johnson
Brown
Simmonds
McMahon
Pettifer

Simple as that. See if the leaks still occur with these gone. Can't be disappointed and leaking when your sitting at home watching it on the TV.

TM you say its the worst selections you've seen all year and we are going to burn. Your just flipping out because Joel has been dropped.

You've agreed with every selection except Bowden. Doesn't really add up.

no popelord l'm flipping out at all the experience been taken out of a side at that level & being replace with skinny crap like Edwards who will break in half oneday
would expect jake king to get a game before him to add some blood & guts that the team requires.
Yes l'm friends with most the players & past players, open & closed the door myself a few times. that you wont find out on here 
oh l'm close to more younger players than the older troops BTW & gee them lads can talk branches off trees 

[Moi]

dont care if you dont beleive me Moi, l'm not a Hutchy  l'm a Richmond supporter who tells it as it is. Big leaks when people aint happy.

It's obvious your close to Joel Bowden, thats fine and happy to see this as I've enjoyed seeing Joel play win best and fairest and win All Australians.

Whether its Joel you've talked to or not that is unhappy etc is irrelevant, but disappointing that leaks occur cause men can't be professional.

Will be fixed next year.

Gone:
Bowden
Johnson
Brown
Simmonds
McMahon
Pettifer

Simple as that. See if the leaks still occur with these gone. Can't be disappointed and leaking when your sitting at home watching it on the TV.

TM you say its the worst selections you've seen all year and we are going to burn. Your just flipping out because Joel has been dropped.

You've agreed with every selection except Bowden. Doesn't really add up.

no popelord l'm flipping out at all the experience been taken out of a side at that level & being replace with skinny crap like Edwards who will break in half oneday
would expect jake king to get a game before him to add some blood & guts that the team requires.
Yes l'm friends with most the players & past players, open & closed the door myself a few times. that you wont find out on here 
oh l'm close to more younger players than the older troops BTW & gee them lads can talk branches off trees 

[Tigermonk]

Its always hard to come to terms with a club stalwart such as Joel being put in the category of over the hill. He has been a great player for the tigers but of late he no longer poses a threat to opposition teams. Yes he has been racking up the possessions but this is where statistics dont provide the full truth, alot of his possessions are sideways chips, not including hard running to provide an attacking option. Rawlings i believe has been given a mandate to instill a more direct uncomplicated attacking style of gameplay, unfortunately i dont believe Joel's mindset and aging body is suitable to such an approach.

ever thought Joel has to play the way he does because he has no better option up field when the other players aint doing the hard running
he hits his targets most times & you find its the other players who turn it over more often
Joel did however have a few bad turnovers last game 2 bad ones that resulted in goals but where did all the others come from
first half he had 18 damaging possies & worked his ass off.  now if you drop a player for that,  we may as well not watch football cause thats why they got yellow bellies

[TigerLand]

TM I have no interest in how close you are to players, we all love our club and have ties with some form of the club.

You didn't answer my question you've exaggerated over teh selections just cause Joel got dropped, you agree with everyone else?

The expeerience we've lost....

Simmonds - what experience, has never tasted success. Has been an average ruckman that looks good cause he's been rucking 100% of game time for 5 years.

McMahon - Younger and has played more games than Shane Tuck. May be more experienced but Tuck, expereince means nothing TM.

Pettifer - Please.

Bowden - Agree, as I mentioned before his leadership may be a big loss but Joel's leadership and experience has got us no where.. Lets try something new. Just cause it's his last year he shouldn't be given a free ride, he's lost his consistancy.

As far as development goes I don't like seeing a 32 year old veteran stuffing up and costing the club goals while the youngsters try and mop up his mistakes. Amount of games played means nothing if you can't portray expereince on field.

Best example is how James Hird did it in his twilight years and how Cousins is doing it now. Joel doesn't do this.

[Lozza]

Understand fully where you are coming from TM, Joel's last game during any normal season would see him one of the first picked the following week and there no doubt we will miss his experience. I suppose the key issue here is that obviously Rawlings has been told to bring youth into the side and no better time to make a statement to supporters than this week, the next 11 weeks are basically an audition for next season. We have well and truly seen what Joel is and is not capable of (along with four of his mates), its now time to see what the kids can do. From reading other posts it appears that he is not banished forever, he does have the opportunity to make his way back into the team. Whether this will be very late in the season which may be in the form of "appreciation" games only time will tell. In the short term we need to display to the new coach who will be watching with interest, what the quality of our list is. The draft is going to be extremely important to us and we don't want to make our normal recruiting mistakes again. The second half of this season will definitely signal the end of a few careers but it will also provide some insight to our future, lets hope we get it right for once.

[wayne]

Dropping Bowden    how can you drop a player who has been in good form 
Richmond going the tank for sure they dont want to win games & the Eagles will smash them

Bowden survived a couple of times after a couple of shocker games.

[TigerLand]

Understand fully where you are coming from TM, Joel's last game during any normal season would see him one of the first picked the following week and there no doubt we will miss his experience. I suppose the key issue here is that obviously Rawlings has been told to bring youth into the side and no better time to make a statement to supporters than this week, the next 11 weeks are basically an audition for next season. We have well and truly seen what Joel is and is not capable of (along with four of his mates), its now time to see what the kids can do. From reading other posts it appears that he is not banished forever, he does have the opportunity to make his way back into the team. Whether this will be very late in the season which may be in the form of "appreciation" games only time will tell. In the short term we need to display to the new coach who will be watching with interest, what the quality of our list is. The draft is going to be extremely important to us and we don't want to make our normal recruiting mistakes again. The second half of this season will definitely signal the end of a few careers but it will also provide some insight to our future, lets hope we get it right for once.

Nothing will sell the club better to a prospective coach then blooded youngsters having a crack. Best time to do it against a team that is tanking.

Go Tigz!

[Ox]

l'm a Richmond supporter who tells it as it is.

LmFafO!

Yeh Rite,as it is in ur simple mind.

Go Joel!!!!

 

[TigerTime]

lets all try to be rockstars hey

[Moi]

lets all try to be rockstars hey

Yeah, like Kiss 

[WA Tiger]

Stop your sooking TM and WAT.

 ??? ??? ???. Not sure who is sooking here Pope, I had my say on why I think they sould be in and now you are having your say on why they shouldn't???? You may need to move on to!!!

[WilliamPowell]

Five axed Tigers have a future, says Rawlings

By Mic Cullen 11:46 AM Fri 12 June, 2009

RICHMOND caretaker coach Jade Rawlings says despite dropping five players for Saturday night's clash against West Coast, not one has had a line put though his name.

Rawlings and the match committee omitted nearly 800 games of experience for the round 12 match-up at Docklands, but the new coach said nothing sinister or long-term should be read into the selections.

Joel Bowden, Jordie McMahon, Troy Simmonds, Mark Coughlan and Kayne Pettifer were all axed.

But Rawlings said on Friday ahead of training at Punt Road he had talked extensively with all concerned and no problems existed with any of them.

Bowden in particular has been getting extensive support from Richmond supporters and members on talkback radio, and Rawlings said he understood where people were coming from.

"He's been an icon of the club, he's been fantastic," Rawlings said at Punt Rd on Thursday.

"I totally understand why he's got plenty of support – I'd be disappointed for him if there wasn't some support.

"It's been over probably a month – he's been on the borderline once or twice this year already, and to his credit he's fought back really well.

"He can easily generate the ball, he's shown that, but there's just some elements of his game he needs to tighten up."

Mark Coughlan is also back at Coburg again this week, but Rawlings was quick make the point that he was still expecting the 2003 best-and-fairest winner to be playing next year.

"He's a very optimistic sort of guy. We haven't spoken about next year, but I'm sure he thinks it, and I think it as well.

"He has been outstanding in where he's got himself back to – there was a lot of doubt after last year with what he went through as to whether he'd be able to get back at all.

"Somewhere that improvement has to plateau and it's probably just come to that at the moment."

Despite coming up against the league's top ruckman in Dean Cox, Rawlings said he was comfortable going in with youngsters in the ruck.

"Simmo (Simmonds) hasn't had a great couple of weeks, and after discussing it with him, he was prepared to try and push and fight to play this week.

"But once it was put to him it was going to be a struggle, he then revealed to me a couple of injuries, a couple of sore spots that he had.

"We've had three good chats this week about his next 10 to 12 weeks, and what's going to be best for him to be able to play the way he wants to play and give him a chance to fight for his career post-2009."

Rawlings said all the players coming back in were either returning from injury or had been playing well at Coburg, so there was no change for the sake of change.

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