Coburg vs Northern Bullants - Sunday August 23

[WilliamPowell]

My mate was drinking with Ryan O'Connor at the London after the Hawthorn game, and the Rhino basically blamed the Burgers demise on "all the old Richmond pooe" that came back into the team.Makes you wonder if there's such a schism between the Coburg faction, and the Richmond faction if it isn't worth going it alone. 

Hmm interesting - stupid thing for the GM of Coburg to say to be honest - some things really should be kept in house  There's an old saying in footy "you can think it but bloody well don't say it if it isn't supposed to be in the public domain"

And just on the final part about factions - it never used to be there .... and would have appeared to have only been there in the last half of the season

[Tigermonk]

Just reading them last few posts tells you the 2 clubs are not working together & a split is needed.
its time Richmond thought about saving itself before trying to save other clubs.
Richmond need to field its own VFL club to recover as a power side & lift skill level

[RollsRoyce]

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Hmm interesting - stupid thing for the GM of Coburg to say to be honest - some things really should be kept in house  There's an old saying in footy "you can think it but bloody well don't say it if it isn't supposed to be in the public domain"

And just on the final part about factions - it never used to be there .... and would have appeared to have only been there in the last half of the season
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Yeah, Rhino probably should have kept it to himself, but then you know the tongue-loosening effect of a few beers. The thing was, my mate asked him directly "What the hell has happened to the team since McRae took over", and O'Connor leapt to Craig's defence,saying he was a good coach, and so on.
As for the factions, I think it's always been there to a degree, just more subtle.From Coburgs perspective it was things like Phil Cleary complaining that we were swallowing their identity. The successful push to have the old Coburg song re-instated after a win. And complaints that there were too many Richmond players in the seniors. Conversely, some Richmond supporters would grumble about the Coburg strip looking like an Essendon jumper. Others missed our old reserves games at Punt Road.And there's no doubt that we've always felt constricted by the 12-10 rule. I guess these fissures just open up a lot wider when the team plummets out of finals contention as spectacularly as Coburg has. From my own perspective, I've always thought it was too expensive to field our own team, and was happy to have a bit of give and take with the different colours and songs to try and make the alliance work. But I'm starting to wonder if maybe we could fast-track our own players development a lot quicker if we were to stand alone.
 

[cub]

But I'm starting to wonder if maybe we could fast-track our own players development a lot quicker if we were to stand alone.
 

That's the bottom line in my books, no point saving $$$ by not fielding your own team if it is having such an adverse effect on the club as a whole.

Let's see who has their own sides Geelong, Collingwood - Haven't been going to shabby over the years have they.
Hawthorn pretty much own Box Hill so there's another .....

The sooner we get our own team, the sooner the young guys get better oppurtunitys at a higher level, the sooner the senior team steps up to contend in finals again and the $$$ will take care of itself from there.

Punt Road is a key in this also, yeah have your 3 or 4 games out whoop whoop the rest as curtairaisers for our night matches at the G or Sunday games - People will pile in. The Shop is pretty quiet most of the time but is packed when Punt rd is open for any reason. Just a bit of thought and there is great promise in making this happen.


Cause stone cold says so .

[WilliamPowell]

Punt Road is a key in this also, yeah have your 3 or 4 games out whoop whoop the rest as curtairaisers for our night matches at the G or Sunday games - People will pile in. The Shop is pretty quiet most of the time but is packed when Punt rd is open for any reason. Just a bit of thought and there is great promise in making this happen.


Cause stone cold says so .

CUB - I will repeat what I've said before games at Punt Road in the short to medium term are not an option while it is being re-developed. 

Also the RFC don't want to lose Craigieburn as it is a massive growth area that the club can utilise and grow their brand and they need it as a summer training venue. Bottom line they need to keep Craigieburn and to do that VFL matches would need to be played there 4-5  games a year wont cut it. Ultimately, the VFL determines which venues get used and they want VFL footy in that growth corridor

Should the RFC look at fileding their own VFL team - my view now is yes they should but they need to do it in a way that they maxmise their investment and I see Craigienurn as maxmising the Club's investment

[one-eyed]

Round 19 Match Report
By Glenn Robertson
coburgtigers.com.au

NORTHERN BULLANTS v COBURG TIGERS
SUNDAY 23rd AUGUST
NAB OVAL

Coburg travelled to the NAB Oval on Sunday to face fifth placed Northern Bullants. It was still mathematically possible for the Burgers to make the finals, but the boys were relying on other results to fall their way.

Graham Polak returned to Richmond for his long awaited return, while Troy Simmons and Kelvin Moore were also key outs for the Coburg side; returning to the AFL. Adam Thompson was rewarded for his consistent season with the Burgers also elevated to make his debut for Richmond.

The wind favoured the end the Bullants kicked to first and boy did they take advantage of it booting through seven majors for the quarter, while at the other end the Burgers couldn’t manage a score. Clearly the Bullants dominated the quarter winning in all measureable areas. Next it was Coburg’s turn to kick with the wind.

Coburg Tigers 0.0 (0)   Northern Bullants 7.5 (47)

It was an even contest in the second term with both sides dominating patches of play. However it was disappointing for the Burgers as they conceded another four goals while only booting through four themselves.

The class of experienced players Tim Clarke and Mark Coughlan showed as both players continued to find the ball throughout the match, but they just didn’t have enough teammates around them.

The Burgers trailed by seven goals at the main break and it was about to get worse.

Coburg Tigers 4.5 (29)   Northern Bullants 11.6 (72)

Coburg didn’t have any answers for the surge that the Northern Bullants put on them in the third term, as the ball spent ninety percent of the term in the Bullants half.

Jarrod Silvester was one of the Burgers best battling hard across the full back line all day. He was well supported at centre half back by Jason Morgan. Both players beat their opponents well, but with the mass amount of ball coming into the backline they never stood a chance at stopping the Bullants kicking a winner total.

Coburg went into the final change down by a whopping ninety four points.

Coburg Tigers 4.6 (30)   Northern Bullants 19.10 (124)

Both sides had little to gain in the final term and as it ended so too did the Burgers season for 2009. Unfortunately Coburg have the bye next week and have finished the year on a fairly sour note. After such a solid start to the year the side was constantly hampered with multiple forced changes to the side each week, including that of their coach Jade Rawlings. There are still plenty of positives to take out of the year including the massive number of players Richmond have blooded through the VFL.

The attention now turns to the reserve side who are currently sitting in third spot on the ladder and are a certainty of playing finals for season 2009.

Coburg Tigers       0.0   4.5     4.6      6.9 (45)
Northern Bullants  7.5  11.6  19.10   23.12 (150)

Goal Kickers: J. Schulz, N. Carnell, M. Coughlan, J. Hislop, J. Morgan, C. Hughes

Best Players: J. Silvester, J. Morgan, T. Clarke, B. Clifton, M. Coughlan, N. Caruso


RESERVES

The Burger reserves pout up a solid fight against their Bullant opponents but in the final quarter were over run with the Bullants using the massive wind to their full advantage. Coburg led by twenty one points heading into the final change but couldn’t stop the Bullants slotting through seven majors in the final term. James Kandilakis played his best game for the Burgers and was well supported by Jon Horne and James Keough. The Boys still hold onto third spot on the ladder a game clear of fourth, but have a bye this week in the final round.

Coburg Tigers        2.6  4.6  10.13   11.14 (80)
Northern Bullants   2.0  7.4    8.4     15.6 (96)

Goal Kickers: J. Bassi 2, A. Corry 2, J. Kandilakis, D. Rayson, D. De Cesare, M. Ambrose, S. McCallum, J. Horne, J. Morris

Best Players: J. Kandilakis, J. Keogh, J. Horne, N. Cattapan, J. Morris, N. Wood

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[cub]

Yeah I know! der - When the redo is done obviously  

regrowth schmeegrowth - How many more are Casey getting in the other whoop whoop area ... mainly taxi drivers, fish and chip shop owners ( No not greeks)! the new age ones and ppl that dont give a crap about footy live out there ....

[WilliamPowell]

Yeah I know! der - When the redo is done obviously  

regrowth schmeegrowth - How many more are Casey getting in the other whoop whoop area ... mainly taxi drivers, fish and chip shop owners ( No not greeks)! the new age ones and ppl that dont give a crap about footy live out there ....

There numbers are slowing growing with what the VFL term "walk-ups".

There is a massive difference between Casey Fields and Craigieburn. Casey Fields went it was built had no houses around it, the area is now expanding further out, which now means they get walk ups.

Craigieburn on the other hand is surrounded by homes and 2 schools - this means the people are already there so they have access to the automatic "walk ups".

So as a reuslt of that if the RFC get 2000-5000 new families over say a 2-5 year period by being out there then that is a great result for the Club.

[Jackstar is back]

Doesnt mean those familes are going to follow football.
Harness Racing recently located to an outer suburb -Growth Corridor at Melton..
They have to lock the gates after the first race to keep people in.

I dont agree that RFC should go out there.- Craigeburn. Complete waste of time- and money
Wouldnt think the players would be too rapt either going all that way for training

[WilliamPowell]

Doesnt mean those familes are going to follow football.
Harness Racing recently located to an outer suburb -Growth Corridor at Melton..
They have to lock the gates after the first race to keep people in.

I dont agree that RFC should go out there.- Craigeburn. Complete waste of time- and money
Wouldnt think the players would be too rapt either going all that way for training

Firstly the RFC has not spent one cent on the buidling of Craigieburn FACT - so they haven't wasted any money.

As for the players not liking going out to craigieburn to train - so sad to bad, they are paid employees and they go where they are told - my advice grow up boys.

Lets not forget that currently during the summer they are nomads so you would think they would be happy to to have a fixed address for a change

[RollsRoyce]

I'm not happy about any plans to move our training base out to Craigieburn. It's just taking the players away from their traditional supporter base as far as I can see. One of the advantages of living in Richmond is that I can wander down to Punt Road or Victoria Park to watch the boys train anytime I like. Besides, I thought the plan was to widen Punt Road oval to give it the same dimensions as Docklands, and give us state of the art gym and pool facilities. If this is about appeasing the Richmond Cricket Club over use of the ground in summer, wee 'em off I say.

[Chuck17]

They have to lock the gates after the first race to keep people in.

The RFC might have to employ that tactic too soon if we keep playing so crap