2009 AFL Draft

[mightytiges]

The Blues obviously believe their window is open now. They've traded away most of their future in this and the last 2 drafts. If they don't win a flag in the next 5 years while Fev and Judd are around it could come back to bite them big time from a list management point of view.

2007 - Traded away Josh Kennedy and picks 3 and 20.
2008 - Traded away pick 24. Overlooked Rich for Yarran at pick 6 (thank god)
2009 - Traded away pick 11 and possibly pick 27 will be traded away as well.

McLean is a gain but they lose Stevens and Hadley from their midfield.


As for the Dees it should mean they are taking two mids with picks 1 & 2. So our choice at pick 3 comes down to the best available KPP or 3rd best mid behind Scully and Trengove. Butcher to Tigerland?

[WA Tiger]

They might fall on their sword like we did after 95!!! We can only hope eh!!

[mightytiges]

They might fall on their sword like we did after 95!!! We can only hope eh!!

Yep crash out in a prelim or two then fall away again

[WA Tiger]

They might fall on their sword like we did after 95!!! We can only hope eh!!

Yep crash out in a prelim or two then fall away again

Well in a shallow draft and the same to come for years they had better hope the injury and report Gods are on their side. I can't see Fev getting any better next year as I think he will have a bigger dummy spit year and Judds body is due to hit a few bad patches.... surley.

[Infamy]

The Blues obviously believe their window is open now. They've traded away most of their future in this and the last 2 drafts. If they don't win a flag in the next 5 years while Fev and Judd are around it could come back to bite them big time from a list management point of view.

2007 - Traded away Josh Kennedy and picks 3 and 20.
2008 - Traded away pick 24. Overlooked Rich for Yarran at pick 6 (thank god)

I know Judd is a great player, but Carlton would be a far better side with Kennedy, Masten, Notte/Pears & Rich in their side than just with Judd & Yarran.

2 gun midfielders, a genuine kpp forward starting to become regular contributer and would be a great foil for Fev plus another kpp tall such as Notte or a defender like Pears. Those 4 would be great building blocks for a dominant side in the future.

My god I hope it backfires on them

[Judge Roughneck]

IMO

Judd >>> picks #3 / #19 / Kennedy

[torch]

who will we take with our first pick?

[Infamy]

IMO

Judd >>> picks #3 / #19 / Kennedy

Now maybe, probably not in 2 years
Problem is the rest of the Blues kids will be matured and ready to lead the team in 2 years, Judd will be in the twilight of his career then

[the_boy_jake]

Now maybe, probably not in 2 years
Problem is the rest of the Blues kids will be matured and ready to lead the team in 2 years, Judd will be in the twilight of his career then

Judd will be 28/29 in two years. He's had his injury concerns but I wouldn't say it would be the twilight of his career unless his pace completely dries up.

[Con65]

The Blues ...traded away most of their future in this and the last 2 drafts.
2007 - Traded away Josh Kennedy and picks 3 and 20.
2008 - Traded away pick 24. Overlooked Rich for Yarran at pick 6 (thank god)
2009 - Traded away pick 11 and possibly pick 27 will be traded away as well.

McLean is a gain but they lose Stevens and Hadley from their midfield.

MT, I usually agree with your posts but cant this time.  trading away most of their future?? that is too big a call and IMHO not factually correct...

In 2007 and 2008 they still had picks inside the top 10 - Kruez #1 and Yarran #6 - Yarran was a judgment call but they werent the only ones that overlooked Rich...so too did the 5 clubs above the blues...Also the trade for #24 was for a 21 yo Ruckman - hardly losing your future....Warnock got injured but if he gets himself right, will give the blues many years of service....

As for trading picks 3 and 20 etc...that was for a 25 yo gun called Judd....who is giving to them what cousin did for us this season - on field leadership...they will get at least 5 to 7 years out of Judd...already have 2 years in the bank...so only need another 3 to 5 out of him...hardly trading away your future...in my view...they invested in their future by getting Judd....

Sorry to disagree...but I simply dont see it your way....

[Judge Roughneck]

IMO

Judd >>> picks #3 / #19 / Kennedy

Now maybe, probably not in 2 years
Problem is the rest of the Blues kids will be matured and ready to lead the team in 2 years, Judd will be in the twilight of his career then

At 28 Judd could still have 6 years left in him.

More so, his leadership for the like of Gibbs & Murphy is worth alot.

[Hellenic Tiger]

If Carlton get no KPP for the backline to help Thornton then the best they will get is a prelim. Defence wins you a flags more often than not. The team with the best backline usually prevails on the last Saturday in September or the best tactic(s) as Hawthorn had with their rolling zone last year. When you pit the best defence against the best forward line in a big game usually the best defence comes out on top.

[Smokey]

At 28 Judd could still have 6 years left in him.

Not a chance Bents.  He is an 'old' 28 due to many injuries and will not play long into his 30's.  He has other interests outside of playing football that will drive him.

More so, his leadership for the like of Gibbs & Murphy is worth a lot.
 

As Cousins is for our guys for another year or two yet.

[Infamy]

As Cousins is for our guys for another year or two yet.

Difference is, we didn't give away a #4 pick kpp forward plus #3 & #19 picks for it
I'd much rather Kennedy, Masten & Pears playing for us than Judd

[mightytiges]

The Blues ...traded away most of their future in this and the last 2 drafts.
2007 - Traded away Josh Kennedy and picks 3 and 20.
2008 - Traded away pick 24. Overlooked Rich for Yarran at pick 6 (thank god)
2009 - Traded away pick 11 and possibly pick 27 will be traded away as well.

McLean is a gain but they lose Stevens and Hadley from their midfield.

MT, I usually agree with your posts but cant this time.  trading away most of their future?? that is too big a call and IMHO not factually correct...

In 2007 and 2008 they still had picks inside the top 10 - Kruez #1 and Yarran #6 - Yarran was a judgment call but they werent the only ones that overlooked Rich...so too did the 5 clubs above the blues...Also the trade for #24 was for a 21 yo Ruckman - hardly losing your future....Warnock got injured but if he gets himself right, will give the blues many years of service....

As for trading picks 3 and 20 etc...that was for a 25 yo gun called Judd....who is giving to them what cousin did for us this season - on field leadership...they will get at least 5 to 7 years out of Judd...already have 2 years in the bank...so only need another 3 to 5 out of him...hardly trading away your future...in my view...they invested in their future by getting Judd....

Sorry to disagree...but I simply dont see it your way....

No probs disagreeing Con  . Discussion is what a forum is about and it'd be pretty dull if everyone agreed on everything.

I'm not talking over the next 5 years Con as the Blues see this period as their premiership window and they are going all out with their trading for it. I mean moreso after that. Of their 3 key/best players - Judd will be 26 next year, Fev 29 and Waite 27. Sure they'll still have Kreuzer, Murphy and Gibbs in their prime in 5 years time but where is the rest of their top talent going to come from now they've traded away most of their high picks over the past 3 years and given they'll be a final 8 side they won't enter the draft until the 2nd round with the new teams coming in. Eventually this sort of trading for the now catches up with you. They've done it before in the late 90s and combined with the punishment from cheating the salary cap it resulted in 3 wooden spoons. If they win a flag then they won't care but if they don't (they still have structural deficiencies) then IMO they'll fall in a hole again.

ps. I didn't rate Yarran in the U18s. He's just a finisher IMO rather than player to build your side around. The Blues took him because they wanted another goalscorer to help Fev. Rich was the clear readymade standout midfielder in the U18s and proved it this year in the AFL. IMO Carlton trading for McLean is an admittance they screwed up not drafting Rich.