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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #105 on: August 27, 2021, 09:12:03 PM »
Update: Thanks Saints!


Our current picks: 7, 16, 26, 27, 41, 44, 80, 98, ...

16 - Geelong's 1st.
27 - St Kilda's 2nd.
41 - Gold Coast's 3rd.


The bonus now would be the Cats having a shocker in the finals and going out in straight sets  :pray. Geelong's first pick could end up anywhere between 13 and 18.




 :shh
:pray

Don't want to mozz it  ;D but the loser tonight plays the winner of the Sydney derby. The Cats lost to both this year  :shh.
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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #106 on: August 28, 2021, 07:54:47 AM »
Looking good for p13 i reckon.

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #107 on: August 28, 2021, 08:17:17 AM »
Looking good for p13 i reckon.

I reckon a team like Sydney or GWS will flay them alive next weekend.

Will be too fast and too fit.

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #108 on: August 28, 2021, 03:41:42 PM »
Live stream WA v SA featuring a few of the talls we might be looking at like Van Rooyen, Bazzo & Amiss all playing for WA...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIuf19heVzo

 :shh
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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #109 on: August 28, 2021, 04:01:48 PM »
Live stream WA v SA featuring a few of the talls we might be looking at like Van Rooyen, Bazzo & Amiss all playing for WA...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIuf19heVzo

 :shh
Gladly have Van Rooyen in our future backline from what I've seen so far up to half-time.
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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #110 on: August 28, 2021, 05:39:01 PM »
Ive liked Rhett Bazzo as well.

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #111 on: August 28, 2021, 06:00:17 PM »
One sided games are harder to judge. WA had a few decent types. Van Rooyen, Amiss, Johnson, Bazzo, Dittmar. Roberts the best out of the South Aussies. Horne-Francis I didn't really notice for the supposed favourite to go pick 1.
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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #112 on: August 28, 2021, 07:30:35 PM »
Horne-Francis looks a better half-forward than a mid... :shh

Amiss, Bazzo, Van Rooyen, Johnson WA's best for mine...Roberts & Wanganeen-Millera SA's best...would be happy with any of them...especially Van Rooyen, Bazzo, Amiss & Johnson in that order of preference.... no idea where any of them will go in the draft...just need to see the Vic kids now...:shh
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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #113 on: August 28, 2021, 11:43:13 PM »
Scoreboard
WA  3.2  5.6  8.12  9.13 (67)
SA   0.2  2.5   2.5    5.8 (38)

BEST – SA: Litster, Adams, Steene, Wanganeen-Milera, Becker, Roberts
GOALS – SA: Stagg, Roberts, Draper, Horne-Francis, Becker

https://sanfl.com.au/league/news/torrens-university-sa-u19-team-defeated-by-wa/


Matt Johnson, Rhett Bazzo, Jacob van Rooyen, Angus Sheldrick among stand-outs as WA beat South Australia

https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl-draft/afl-national-under-19s-championships-matt-johnson-rhett-bazzo-jacob-van-rooyen-angus-sheldrick-among-stand-outs-as-wa-beat-south-australia-c-3795864

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #114 on: August 29, 2021, 07:38:49 PM »
From "draft expert" Davo-27 on BF:

Phantom Draft

1. Collingwood - Nick Daicos (bid)
2. Western - Sam Darcy (bid)
3. North Melb - Jason Horne-Francis
4. GWS - Finn Callaghan
5. Gold Coast - Josh Gibcus
6. Adelaide - Matthew Roberts
7. Hawthorn - Neil Erasmus
8. Carlton - Ben Hobbs
9. Richmond - Josh Sinn
10. Fremantle - Jye Amiss
11. StKilda - Josh Ward
12. WCE - Jacob Van Rooyen
13. Essendon - Josh Rachele
14. GWS - Tyler Sonsie
15. GWS - Josh Fahey (bid)
16. Sydney - Matthew Johnson
17. Brisbane - Mac Andrew
18. Richmond - Ned Long
19. Port Adel - Arlo Draper
20. Brisbane - Jack Williams
21. Gold Coast - Darcy Wilmot
22. North Melb - Joshua Browne
23. Hawthorn - Josh Goater
24. Gold Coast - Campbell Chesser
25. Adelaide - Hugh Jackson
26. Hawthorn - Mitch Knevitt
27. Carlton - Connor MacDonald
28. Richmond - Charlie Molan
29. Fremantle - Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera
30. Richmond - Sam Banks

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/davo-27s-2021-u18-draft-thread.1252633/post-71761361

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #115 on: August 31, 2021, 04:04:48 PM »
Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Best draft prospects ranked (August 31)

nb. Remember this is not a mock draft – it is our rankings of the best players and does not take into account where father-son or Academy bids could come.

1. Nick Daicos (Coll F/S) ........ Midfielder               183cm/72kg   3/1/03    Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
2. Jason Horne-Francis .......... Midfielder                183cm/77kg 21/6/03    South Adelaide/South Australia
3. Sam Darcy (Dogs F/S) ....... Forward/defender    204cm/75kg 19/7/03    Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
4. Finn Callaghan .................. Midfielder               189cm/82kg  26/4/03   Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
5. Ben Hobbs ....................... Midfielder                183cm/80kg 16/9/03    Greater Western Victoria Rebels/Vic Country
6. Josh Ward ........................ Midfielder                181cm/79kg  15/8/03    Northern Knights/Vic Metro (+4)
7. Josh Gibcus ...................... Key defender           195cm/84kg  4/4/03    Greater Western Victoria Rebels/Vic Country (-1)
8. Josh Rachele .................... Forward/midfielder   180cm/78kg 11/4/03    Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country (-1)
9. Mac Andrew .................... Ruckman                200cm/70kg  12/4/03    Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country (-1)
10. Neil Eramus .................... Midfielder/forward   188cm/80kg  2/12/03    Subiaco/Western Australia (-1)
11. Jye Amiss ....................... Key forward            195cm/83kg  31/7/03    East Perth/Western Australia (+6)
12. Arlo Draper ..................... Midfielder/forward   185cm/71kg  20/1/03    South Adelaide/South Australia
13. Tyler Sonsie .................... Midfielder               181cm/77kg  27/1/03    Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro (-2)
14. Josh Sinn ......................... Half-back/midfielder 186cm/73kg  7/1/03    Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro (-1)
15. Campbell Chesser ............ Midfielder/defender  186cm/83kg 27/4/03    Sandringham Dragons/Vic Country (-1)
16. Matthew Roberts ............... Midfielder/forward   183cm/81kg  31/7/03    South Adelaide/South Australia (-1)
17. Josh Goater .................... Midfielder               190cm/79kg   2/6/03     Calder Cannons/Vic Metro (+5)
18. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera .. Midfielder              187cm/69kg  22/2/03    Glenelg/South Australia (new)
19. Sam Butler ....................  Midfielder/forward   184cm/73kg  10/2/03    Greater Western Victoria Rebels/Vic Country (-1)
20. Darcy Wilmot .................  Defender                183cm/75kg  31/12/03  Northern Knights/Vic Metro (-1)
21. Matthew Johnson ......,...... Midfielder               192cm/80kg  16/3/03    Subiaco/Western Australia (-5)
22. Tom Brown ....................  Defender                186cm/71kg  30/7/03    Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country (-2)
23. Jesse Motlop ................... Forward                 176cm/74kg  23/11/03   South Fremantle/Western Australia (+1)
24. Jack Williams .................. Key forward            195cm/91kg  1/12/03    East Fremantle/Western Australia (-6)
25. Toby Conway .................. Ruckman                204cm/90kg  24/4/03    Geelong Falcons/Vic Country (-2)
26. Marcus Windhager ........... Midfielder               183cm/82kg  16/5/03    Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro (new)
27. Jacob Van Rooyen ........... Forward/defender    194cm/88kg  16/4/03    Claremont/Western Australia (new)
28. Blake Howes .................. Forward/midfielder   190cm/79kg   7/4/03     Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro (new)
29. Hugh Jackson ................. Midfielder               181cm/70kg    3/5/03     North Adelaide/South Australia (-4)
30. Zac Taylor ...................... Midfielder               180cm/74kg   31/1/03     Calder Cannons/Vic Metro (new)

Full summary of each potential draftee here: https://www.afl.com.au/news/672935/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-top-draft-prospects-july-ranking

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #116 on: September 01, 2021, 04:31:44 PM »
AFL Draft Weekly Wrap: Pendlebury-like midfielder impresses for WA

Chris Doerre
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1 Sept 2021


Player focus

Rangey midfielder Matthew Johnson enhanced his first-round credentials with an impressive performance for Western Australia in their 29-point win against South Australia in the opening game of the Under-19 Championships on Saturday.

The 192cm Johnson exhibited class and composure similar to Scott Pendlebury. There was a sense with Johnson that whenever he had ball in hand that he would make something happen. He sidestepped players, changed direction fluidly, and created time and space for himself at will.

Unusual for a tall midfielder, Johnson appears to think and move faster than others following the ball. He possesses not only a quick first step, but before he even wins or receives the ball, he appears to have already planned how he is going to move and what he's going to do.

His ball use was just as impressive. Johnson delivered with precision by both hand and foot to targets. No matter the pressure he was under, Johnson took his time, assessed his options and made the right decision. His kicks both into the corridor to targets to open the game up, and his vision to hit targets inside 50 was similarly a highlight.

Johnson has had an up-and-down year. He started the season slowly and struggled to find the football at WAFL League level, but more recently though in the Colts and Reserves has improved - continuing his strong vein of form on Saturday.

While Johnson has the tools to be one of this draft's best, he'll need to continue developing as a ball winner and improving his consistency. His 25 disposals in the WAFL Reserves in his previous match, and 19 disposals in an influential performance against South Australia is the progression recruiters have been waiting for.

Western Australia

Similar to how Matthew Johnson has hit form at the right time of year, the same seems to be the case with key position prospect Jacob Van Rooyen. Van Rooyen who has kicked 11 goals over his past two WAFL Colts games proved just as adept in defence as one of Western Australia's best. Van Rooyen played with a distinct aggression and hunger to prove himself. In one-on-one contests he was competitive either taking the mark or spoiling, he attacked the ball aerially flying for intercept marks and tackled with aggression. Van Rooyen if he closes out the season strongly may re-emerge as a first-round contender.

Sharing the spotlight in defence with Van Rooyen, Rhett Bazzo put on an intercept marking clinic. A 195cm defender, Bazzo's reading of the ball in flight and how he attacked the ball was a highlight. Playing in front of his opponent, Bazzo played a confident brand of football. He flew for and took just about every mark he went after, backing in his intercept marking capabilities. Bazzo in 2021 has struggled for consistency, but his performance against South Australia won't quickly be forgotten by recruiters and should enhance his draft stocks.

Starring through the midfield and providing both a contrast to the play of Matthew Johnson, Kade Dittmar was the physical bull to complement Johnson's class. There was a liveliness to Dittmar's play where any time he was around the ball he exerted his influence. He won first possession at stoppages, won ground balls around the field, broke tackles, demonstrated good speed and agility with ball in hand and was busy when South Australia had the ball, applying pressure. Dittmar looks like Western Australia's premier two-way midfielder and like Jason Horne-Francis is one of the few midfielders in this pool who can influence games both ways. Dittmar may not be regarded as an early pick but could be a value choice mid-late draft.

South Australia

The standout for South Australia and one of the players to enhance his draft stocks was Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera. Emerging as a first-round fancy on the back of consistently strong play this season, Wanganeen-Milera showed that he is South Australia's classiest. Every time he had the ball in his hands, he felt like he would make something happen. Wanganeen-Milera effortlessly created more time and space for himself, with his agility and quick mind among the most impressive in this pool. His decision making, vision and kicking were further highlights and what further to his agility made his influence felt so regularly with ball in hand.

Under-the-radar name

Asked mostly to play deep in defence for Western Australia, overager Jack Avery played a fundamentally sound game. He didn't lose one-on-one contests, moved well, intercepted to a high level and generated drive from defence. Averaging a competition high 34-disposals in the WAFL Colts as a rebounding defender and more recently translating his play to WAFL League football, he's ready-made and someone whose standard of play merits early draft discussion.

https://africa.espn.com/afl/story/_/id/32111281/afl-draft-2021-chris-doerre-knightmare-weekly-wrap-pendlebury-midfielder-matthew-johnson-impresses-wa-nick-daicos-jason-horne-francis

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #117 on: September 01, 2021, 04:59:43 PM »
Johnson certainly looked the goods the other day though he is that type of player that could just as easily end up being another Fiora at AFL level... :shh
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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #118 on: September 01, 2021, 05:49:17 PM »
Johnson certainly looked the goods the other day though he is that type of player that could just as easily end up being another Fiora at AFL level... :shh


Has Fiora written all over him...

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Re: 2021 Draft thread
« Reply #119 on: September 02, 2021, 05:59:12 AM »
Another phantom draft:

1ST ROUND PHANTOM + Gc Compo

1. Nick Daicos - Coll (BID MATCHED)
2. Jason Horne-Francis - Nth
3. Sam Darcy - Wb (BID MATCHED)
4. Finn Callaghan - Gws
5. Josh Sinn - Gc
6. Arlo Draper - Adel
7. Ben Hobbs - Haw
8. Josh Goater - Carl
9. Josh Ward - Rich
10. Josh Gibcus - Freo
11. Mac Andrew - Stk
12. Jye Amiss - Wce
13. Neil Erasmus - Ess
14. Darcy Wilmot - Syd
15. Sam Butler - Gws
16. Jacob Van Rooyen - Bris
17. Josh Rachele - Rich
18. Nasaiah Wanganeen-Milera - Port
19. Josh Fahey - Gws (BID MATCHED)
20. Rhett Bazzo - Bris
21. Campbell Chesser - Gc (COMPO)


Yeah, it [favouring Richmond] does seem that way, when doing this one, the cards fell the way they did and i couldnt see Rachele being further down the line so i had him go there, but in reality i dont think he falls that far (although, wouldnt be surprised) and i only picked him in that position for Richmond as i see a need for another small fwd who could go in the middle for a chop out and in those positions he was best available. Sinn is the key here to this years draft......because of the skills he has, but lack of exposure he could go anywhere and on this i had him going to Gc and then with Adel taking Draper because of his upside and the same with Goater to Carlton, it therefore left Ward to slip a few.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/smythes-2021-draft-thread.1252879/page-5#post-71930497

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And a draftee ranking:


* Josh Sinn is 186 cm and 82 (I think) kg, sorry for mistake

So with another year of Victorian footy severely impacted it's going to be even hard to pass judgement on players as individuals and where they may come into draft calculations. I wonder how much the lack of footy in Victoria in the past two years will effect the amount of vics that get drafted, especially as WA and SA kids club and improve on their concerns.

The month without Victorian footy has really allowed me to pay attention to SA and WA like I haven't been able to before, WA in particular has a lot of talent pushing to be involved here that may manage to sneak in over the next month. Draper I've changed my view on, not necessarily his RIF's, but I don't expect him to be a midfielder at the next level, and looking at his impact as mainly a forward makes him a much better looking prospect imo. Roberts drops slightly with his composure and ball use since returning from injury not really being at the level it has been, up until Saturday he wasn't dropping that far because of it but it's been enough time to build form imo.

I also went back a watched a bit of footage that I've either managed to grab or is readily available on the internet. Metro v Country Challenge match in particular I've watched a good 7 or 8 times trying to focus on certain players each time. It's a big reason for the Goater slide, off the ball work isn't quite at a great level for a midfielder still the main concern. It's also a big reason for the Wilmot and Ward rise, Wilmot I've said before I think is the best all round defensive prospect in the pool given he has a defensive focus and can hurt in offense, I think at the absolute worst he turns out to be a Maynard level player but with more speed and arguably a better kick, Ward is just a genuine fighter in the midfield, still unsure completely of his speed but it's not an obvious hindrance like in the case of Roberts for example.

Sonsie I originally had dropping, but went and rewatched Eastern vs Tasmania and his Box Hill game and he kept his spot, rarely wastes a disposal and works through traffic really well, could see a possible off the ball workrate issue but it's not glaringly bad.

Overall I'm probably getting more bullish with the draft as a whole, players I have closer to 30 in my rankings such as Mitch Knevitt, Judson Clarke, Zac Taylor for example I wouldn't be totally surprised to see taken as high as 10 because of the traits they have which makes it exciting to see what comes draft night and the rumours that start swirling before that. Mentioned Knevitt, Taylor and Clarke, on top of those guys Murley, Bazzo, JVR and Butler are close to being in the 20, I was hoping to see another game of Butler in particular prior to the Victorian lockdown to see how consistently he showed his traits given there's not much vision around of him, but ah well, what can ya do

Nick Daicos - Collingwood Father-Son, Sam Darcy - Western Bulldogs Father-Son, Mac Andrew - Melbourne Academy

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/pmbangers-2021-draft-board.1258182/post-71938342