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Re: Trent Cotchin [merged]
« Reply #1470 on: May 05, 2015, 01:17:13 PM »
Why Tigers skipper Trent Cotchin isn't a great player

Peter Ryan 
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May 5, 2015


THE EXPECTATIONS attached to Richmond's Trent Cotchin need to be revised.

He is a courageous ball winner with great skill but he does not hurt the opposition enough.

An ongoing problem for Cotchin is his willingness to kick laterally or backwards rather than moving forward with the ball.

He is ranked 18th in the competition for lateral or backward kicks and No.66 for metres gained in 2015.

Despite his efforts to lift the Tigers on Saturday, the 25-year-old only gained 298 metres, below his season average of 375 metres, from 29 disposals.

That is an average of 10.27 metres gained per disposal.

Too many of his possessions were received from handballs (14) and not enough, when compared to the elite midfielders, were contested (37 per cent).

Last year Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said Cotchin was conscious of the need to move the ball forward more but it appears he has slipped into playing safe football.

Forty-one per cent of Cotchin's score involvements are in turnover chains, ranking him 317th of the 375 players who average at least three score involvements per game.

When the skipper is involved in a chain the Tigers score 27.9 per cent of the time, ranking him 18th at the club.

He has just 19 inside 50s for the season and sits 43rd in AFL rankings.

The truth is the Tigers need a goalkicking midfielder that breaks the lines (who doesn't?) to put some bite into their side.

They understand that. It's time others did too.

Despite Cotchin finishing top 10 in the Brownlow Medal in the past three seasons, opponents aren't too stressed about him creating havoc.

If the Tigers can find a midfielder who fits their needs – such as the Giants' Dylan Shiel – they should throw the house at him.

They might talk about creating midfield depth but the fact is they have drafted for that in the past few seasons, adding Brandon Ellis, Nick Vlastuin, Ben Lennon and Corey Ellis to the list.

They need midfield brilliance.

Trent Cotchin and the Tigers have struggled to capture winning form in 2015. Picture: AFL Media

Like about half the competition, the Tigers have the opportunity to take advantage of the new banking system that was introduced to chase a match winner.

They should use that opportunity because they are a good club with a solid list but they lack, with the possible exception of Brett Deledio, a superstar.

Life has been hard for Hardwick as he has been coach during a period when high draft picks have been taken by the expansion clubs.

He wants his team to play bold, attacking football but the ball movement remains predictable because of the talent at his disposal.

It's why the Tigers have won the disposal count in four of their five games this season but they only have two wins.

Compare some of Cotchin's numbers on Saturday to Geelong's Joel Selwood, who averaged 15 metres per disposal against Richmond to gain 319 metres from his 21 disposals, 62 per cent of which were contested.

Not only does Selwood win the ball and move it forward, he puts teammates into space. His handball to release Mitch Duncan from a centre clearance in the final quarter was the work of an elite midfielder.

Duncan gained 501 metres from his 29 disposals on Saturday (17.27 metres gained per disposal) and kicked two goals.

It's hard not to feel for Cotchin but his lack of penetration means he is a good rather than great player.

That's no knock on him. It's an explanation for why Richmond might be struggling to turn numbers into wins.

Interestingly enough, Melbourne skipper Nathan Jones said he debated the definition of a good game with his coach Paul Roos in 2014.

Now Jones is gaining fewer possessions but he is a better player, because he is winning the ball in positions more advantageous for his team.

Perhaps Cotchin needs to start where Jones was rebooted, by tagging Scott Pendlebury when Richmond plays Collingwood in two weeks, or Port Adelaide's Travis Boak in three weeks.

It's not Cotchin's fault because he is trying his heart out.

The supposed superstar, Dustin Martin, doesn't do enough either, limited by his running power to playing in bursts.

On Saturday, he received 24 handballs en route to winning 26 uncontested possessions among his 33 touches.

When Martin is involved in a chain of possession, the Tigers score 23.3 per cent of the time, ranking him at No.22 at the club.

In 2015 Martin is playing more in the midfield, but the difference between where he gets the ball in a win compared to a loss is stark.

He gains more possessions in the forward 50 in a win (11.9 per cent) than a loss (4.6 per cent) and fewer in the midfield in a win (81 per cent) than a loss (86.2 per cent).

His defensive pressure in centre clearances is not good enough yet either and he is ranked No.1 in the competition for handball receives.

He is a great one-on-one player when deep forward. He is not a damaging midfielder over four quarters.

Richmond's midfielders have become predictable.

It's time to change things quickly to put the bite back in the Tiger.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-05/why-tigers-skipper-trent-cotchin-isnt-a-great-player

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Re: Trent Cotchin [merged]
« Reply #1471 on: May 05, 2015, 01:23:29 PM »
Good article

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Re: Trent Cotchin [merged]
« Reply #1472 on: May 05, 2015, 03:18:54 PM »
yet other great players also kick the ball sideways or backwards. When Hodge or Mitchell so it, it normally goes to someone that can run like Rioli or someone that can kick like Burgoyne. When Cotchin does it the ball goes to Newman who doesn't run or a Grigg that cant kick.

the way the game has evolved you need to retain possession at times

cotchin is also willing to handball into space when nothing is happening / forcing the play and trying to create a goal. By taking a risk. Almost no one else is willing to do this. Which is weak as pee.

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Re: Trent Cotchin [merged]
« Reply #1473 on: May 05, 2015, 03:43:18 PM »
The likes of Hodge, Mitchell, Selwood, Fyfe etc also have teammates who actually bump & shepherd for them too....something Cotchin's never had...
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Re: Trent Cotchin [merged]
« Reply #1474 on: May 05, 2015, 03:48:46 PM »
Worst team in comp considering how Theyve improved every year........
Caracella and Balmey.

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Re: Trent Cotchin [merged]
« Reply #1475 on: May 05, 2015, 04:54:23 PM »
does anyone have the metres gained stat and the lateral and backwards kicks stats?

Would love to see what other elite players are comparable to cotchin in these areas, yet he's getting smashed from pillar to post about it. Have a pretty good idea of a couple of so called elite players who are no more damaging, yet they are darlings of the media.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2015, 05:25:36 PM by tony_montana »

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Re: Trent Cotchin [merged]
« Reply #1476 on: May 05, 2015, 05:18:42 PM »
does anyone have the metres gained stat and the lateral and backwards kicks stats?

Would love to see what other elite players are comparable to cotchin in these areas, yet he's getting smashed from pillar to post about it. Have a pretty good idea of a couple of so called elite players and AA players who are no more damage they are darlings of the media.

hes sposed to win the ball, stand up, take him time, and kick it 65 meters towards goal... all while a tagger is borderline molesting him

it would be nice if his team mates coluld stop having a cup of tea, and a biscutt and help him instead of such unrealistic expectations

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Re: Trent Cotchin [merged]
« Reply #1477 on: May 06, 2015, 01:11:29 PM »
does anyone have the metres gained stat and the lateral and backwards kicks stats?

Would love to see what other elite players are comparable to cotchin in these areas, yet he's getting smashed from pillar to post about it. Have a pretty good idea of a couple of so called elite players who are no more damaging, yet they are darlings of the media.

I wish Champion data made the metres gained stat public. I know Ablett absolutely kills it in this stat but I'm curious to see how other onballers fair in this category also. From memory I think Deledio is our number one metre man and hence why Ross Lyon usually puts Crowley on him instead of Trent.


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Re: Trent Cotchin [merged]
« Reply #1478 on: May 06, 2015, 05:03:17 PM »
does anyone have the metres gained stat and the lateral and backwards kicks stats?

Would love to see what other elite players are comparable to cotchin in these areas, yet he's getting smashed from pillar to post about it. Have a pretty good idea of a couple of so called elite players who are no more damaging, yet they are darlings of the media.

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Re: Trent Cotchin [merged]
« Reply #1479 on: May 06, 2015, 09:52:28 PM »
New nickname for the Chimp is ......

Tries to land it on the green and ends up in the sand to use the .......

Is on a sprinkler & refuses to take a lie so he can use the ....

Centre clearance with defenders in chaos and uses a ......

55m out from goal straight in front, refuses to keep running directly towards the goals and sees Jack 20m out 60degree from the sticks and uses a .......

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Re: Trent Cotchin [merged]
« Reply #1480 on: May 06, 2015, 11:46:40 PM »
New nickname for the Chimp is ......

Tries to land it on the green and ends up in the sand to use the .......

Is on a sprinkler & refuses to take a lie so he can use the ....

Centre clearance with defenders in chaos and uses a ......

55m out from goal straight in front, refuses to keep running directly towards the goals and sees Jack 20m out 60degree from the sticks and uses a .......

Lob Wedge

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Re: Trent Cotchin [merged]
« Reply #1481 on: May 17, 2015, 05:57:26 PM »
Start the submitting of apologies

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Re: Trent Cotchin [merged]
« Reply #1482 on: May 17, 2015, 05:59:29 PM »
Credit where credit's due, he dragged us over the line today :clapping

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Re: Trent Cotchin [merged]
« Reply #1483 on: May 17, 2015, 05:59:50 PM »
Start the submitting of apologies

Was very, very good today
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.

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Re: Trent Cotchin [merged]
« Reply #1484 on: May 17, 2015, 06:00:21 PM »
Great game from Cotch