State of Umpiring [merged]

[one-eyed]

Ill-discipline at the centre of Tigers review

Riley Beveridge
afl.com.au
4 October 2020

Speaking on Sunday, Richmond captain Trent Cotchin said the side's indiscipline – having also been on the wrong end of a 17-11 free-kick count on the night – was a major reason for the potentially pivotal 15-point defeat.

"There's no hiding away from the fact they kicked a few goals from free kicks," Cotchin said.

"Some were just part of the game, but the 50m penalties … I think they kicked three goals from 50m penalties. They're the things that are probably in our control that do determine the scoreboard.

"We'll look at them. There are some things where the boys know we want to play to the edge in regard to our toughness and what we bring to the contest. But there are also some things that we can control and we want to eradicate those out of our game."

It was the second time Hardwick has been made to answer for Richmond's poor discipline this season, after Josh Caddy also gave away a costly 50m penalty in a tough loss to Port Adelaide in round 11.

However, despite the increased number of 50m penalties given away by the Tigers on Friday night, Cotchin said the umpiring hadn't been an issue that had been discussed inside the club either before or after the match.

"It hasn't been spoken about in regard to how red-hot they were on it," Cotchin said.

"I think it's just part and parcel of the game and you accept that. You learn to live with it and you move on. Effectively, their role within the game is to control it.

"I'm the first to admit I would not want to be an umpire in an AFL game because there are so many different challenges within it, just like a player as well."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/514306/ill-discipline-at-the-centre-of-tigers-review

[Tigeritis™©®]

Umps in today's match letting the game go as it should be in finals.

Zak Jones kicked the ball away after a free to the Dogs and it wasn't paid 50. Hmmm!   

Naitanui also in the pies game.  No fifty.
Usually a level of grace is given for not hearing the umpires call.

But no grace offered when it was our players . 

[Andyy]

Umps in today's match letting the game go as it should be in finals.

Zak Jones kicked the ball away after a free to the Dogs and it wasn't paid 50. Hmmm!   

Naitanui also in the pies game.  No fifty.
Usually a level of grace is given for not hearing the umpires call.

But no grace offered when it was our players . 

This actually peees me off a lot when players kick the ball away. They do it assuming they have got the advantage and then pretend they can't hear anything or hope it was quick enough to pretend as much.

All year I've been wanted that crap called.

Now they pull the trigger for one game against us.

Just be consistent. I'm ok if it's done every time. Bolton and Martin clearly knew they'd given away frees.

[mightytiges]

Umps in today's match letting the game go as it should be in finals.

Zak Jones kicked the ball away after a free to the Dogs and it wasn't paid 50. Hmmm!   

Naitanui also in the pies game.  No fifty.
Usually a level of grace is given for not hearing the umpires call.

But no grace offered when it was our players . 

This actually peees me off a lot when players kick the ball away. They do it assuming they have got the advantage and then pretend they can't hear anything or hope it was quick enough to pretend as much.

All year I've been wanted that crap called.

Now they pull the trigger for one game against us.

Just be consistent. I'm ok if it's done every time. Bolton and Martin clearly knew they'd given away frees.

All we ask for is consistency during games and from match to match.

However, they've hardly paid kicking the footy after a free during the H/A season when there was no crowd and no excuse for not hearing the umpire. Now all of sudden they nail us twice in a final in front of a loud crowd for the first time this year but don't pay 50 for the exact same indiscretion in the other finals . It was really poor umpiring on the night IMO showing a lack of awareness of the situation. Seems the umps became flusted as well and they were trigger happy as Dimma said. IMV we clearly became frustrated with the umpiring in the first half favouring Brisbane (no 50s against Berry on Kmac or Robinson on Pickett) and it got the better of us mentally leading to undisciplined acts and not focusing on the process.

We need to learn from it and accept we're not the AFL's darlings. We're going to have to win the hard way. Put what happened away in the back of our minds and seek revenge next time we play where it matters on the scoreboard.

[one-eyed]

AFL umpiring: Pies ranked No. 1 for free kicks in 2020

Richmond has coughed up a staggering 25 50m penalties this year. No other club has given away more than 17. Who are the repeat offenders?

Sam Landsberger dives into the key umpiring stats ahead of the semi-finals.

Sam Landsberger
Herald Sun
8 October 2020

Richmond’s lack of discipline has been laid bare, with the Tigers ranked second-last for free kick differential and last for giving away 50m penalties in 2020.

The Tigers have coughed up a staggering 25 50m penalties this year, with Jack Riewoldt, Dustin Martin and Shai Bolton all conceding three each.

That’s effectively giving away 1250m gained, which is further than Dustin Martin, Shai Bolton and Trent Cotchin advanced the ball on Friday night.

No other club has given away more than 17 this season, while fellow finalists Western Bulldogs (six), St Kilda (eight) and West Coast (nine) have conceded far less from the same number of games (18).

Bolton’s two unforgivable 50m penalties against Brisbane on Friday night gifted the Lions two goals in the 15-point loss.

“We gave away undisciplined free kicks in the back end of that second quarter and the reality is that was the difference in the game,” Hardwick said.

“We have got to get better in that part of the game.

“Every now and then it rears its ugly head and unfortunately it was on the big stage, so it’s really disappointing.”

The Tigers addressed their mild case of white-line fever after Martin and Josh Caddy gave away 50m penalties in the Round 11 loss to Port Adelaide.

“We’ve got a bit of a protocol at the moment, if you do give away a 50, young Parker’s nappy, Trent’s baby, will be getting changed by that person,” Hardwick said a the time.

Hardwick said at halftime the umpires were “trigger happy” and, after the loss, called for them to just let the players play.

Free kicks were down from 32.2 (home-and-away) to 27.6 (week one) to start the finals

But the Tigers are -64 for the season, which is 15 worse than the 16th-ranked Essendon.

Scott’s team isn’t far behind the sloppy Tigers, with Geelong -44 in free kicks, ranked 15th.

Collingwood (+76) and Port Adelaide (+45) are the umpires’ darlings this season, ranked No. 1 and 2 in the AFL.

The Magpies even managed to win the free kick count 16-12 against West Coast at Perth Stadium on Saturday night.

The other remaining finalists have just about broken even, with the Lions +3 and St Kilda -3.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-umpiring-ray-chamberlain-retained-for-geelongcollingwood-clash-pies-ranked-no-1-for-free-kicks-in-2020/news-story/12f82899ab6eefd818ea172d9f5657ba

[mightytiges]

We must have been an undisciplined side for the past 4 years then as those free kick differential stats haven't changed since 2017  .


Richmond's 2020 free kick count (& differential) in our 12 wins, 5 losses & draw:

          Lost free kick count   won free kick count    drew free kick count
Wins:        10 (-55)                   2 (+5)
Losses:       3 (-19)                   1 (+4)                              1
Draw:                                      1 (+1)

https://finalsiren.com/Fixture.asp?TeamID=8

So apparently we're more "undisciplined" in our wins by over 5 frees against per game    .

The free kick count in both Brisbane games this year were virtually identical (R10: 11-18; QF: 11-17) despite the opposing results.

Let's not bring up us flogging Norf by 9 goals and having more tackles yet lost the free kick count 11-18.

Or the Adelaide game where we won by 8 goals, had 21 more tackles yet lost the free kick count 8-17. Just 8 frees to a side that dominated  .

Or the Geelong game - dominated 3/4ers of it, more tackles but you guessed it 11-17 against in frees.

I'm not saying we don't give away some dumb frees & 50s but it's amazing how opposition sides somehow hardly give away frees and 50s against us often for the same indiscretion.

ps. That's my umpiring rant for the day  .

[Buddysucks]

Nailed it! It’s not how many we give away, it’s the obvious ones we don’t get!

[Knighter]

We got shafted against Brisbane and even if we squeeze past the Saints the reaming that awaits in Adelaide will require a truckload of lube

[wayne]

Wow.... umps given directives at half time??

[pmac21]

This is dead set cheating

[Buddysucks]

The problem is, I don’t think the AFL cares how any of this sh*t looks.

[Tigeritis™©®]

Wow.... umps given directives at half time??

Who said?  Is this fact?
What were these “directives”.

Seems like a heap of bovine schatology to me.

[mightytiges]

2 of the 3 umps are the same as we had last week. Mollison should never umpire any of our games let alone two finals in a row.

[one-eyed]

ARC Blunders: One all?



‘Archaic nonsense’: Garry Lyon questions validity of Saint Dan Butler’s clutch goal

Richmond coach Damien Hardwick was left frustrated in the coaches’ box, while Lyon said Butler’s kick and subsequent goal should’ve been reviewed.

“That is an archaic nonsense. Just a nonsense,” Lyon told AFL Nation.

“We leave these stupid little unresolved issues open and they bite in a final.

“We stop a game for three minutes to work out the slightest touch of a post and we’re happy to recall that, yet in half a second we can tell you whether it was kicked before or after a siren, but no, we’re not doing that. I mean, please.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-dan-butler-goal-vs-richmond-siren-rules-umpire-hears-siren-garry-lyon-richmond-vs-st-kilda/news-story/e19fe93760d35e071ce85e7c681313e3

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St Kilda were robbed against Richmond by an ‘embarrassing’ blunder



https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/st-kilda-robbed-of-a-critical-goal-after-embarrassing-arc-blunder/news-story/3930a9038b46fea5d7b5f415c41efdcc

[mightytiges]

The issue with the first one isn't the ball being kicked by Butler as the siren went. That's okay.

The issue is the siren didn't get blown by the timekeeper in the first place until about 3 seconds after the clock ran down to zero.