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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1935 on: April 08, 2022, 12:31:48 PM »
I have no doubt in my mind they will wait until its an absolute 100% certainty, our  club is in full rebuild mode before they will change the rule.
 
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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1936 on: April 08, 2022, 12:43:30 PM »
The idiotic nominated ruck rule which has always been universally hated even by the AFL media sycophants is now into it's sixth season...so don't expect the stand rule which still has it's fair share of supporters and apologists to be going anywhere anytime soon.... :shh
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« Reply #1937 on: April 08, 2022, 12:47:54 PM »
True, but the ruck rule wasn’t brought in to stop a team
winning was it?

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« Reply #1938 on: April 08, 2022, 12:54:39 PM »
The biggest problem with the stand rule is that it is totally one sided.  The player with the ball has all the power, the player on the mark (standing) has nothing. 
I don't mind the basic idea of the stand rule, but the rule has to cut both ways. 

The 'Stand' directive from the umpire has to apply to both the man on the mark & the player in possession - they should BOTH have to 'stand'.  So when a player takes a mark & goes back 10mtrs to take his kick it is then that the umpire should call 'Stand'.  Both the player in possession & the man on the mark must now 'Stand'.  If either player moves then its either 'play on' or its a 50mtr penalty, depending on who moved first.  It would be absolutely cut & dry if 'Stand' was made to cut both ways - its a definite, obvious 50 or its play on, but no ... we have to have this rubbish instead. 

Its this imbalance in the rule that people hate so much, plus all Richmond supporters know why it was made this way ...     ::)
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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1939 on: April 08, 2022, 01:02:10 PM »
True, but the ruck rule wasn’t brought in to stop a team
winning was it?



Well no....but the point is the AFL don't like to admit when they get it wrong no matter how many people tell them...:shh
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« Reply #1940 on: April 08, 2022, 01:06:56 PM »
The biggest problem with the stand rule is that it is totally one sided.  The player with the ball has all the power, the player on the mark (standing) has nothing. 
I don't mind the basic idea of the stand rule, but the rule has to cut both ways. 

The 'Stand' directive from the umpire has to apply to both the man on the mark & the player in possession - they should BOTH have to 'stand'.  So when a player takes a mark & goes back 10mtrs to take his kick it is then that the umpire should call 'Stand'.  Both the player in possession & the man on the mark must now 'Stand'.  If either player moves then its either 'play on' or its a 50mtr penalty, depending on who moved first.  It would be absolutely cut & dry if 'Stand' was made to cut both ways - its a definite, obvious 50 or its play on, but no ... we have to have this rubbish instead. 

Its this imbalance in the rule that people hate so much, plus all Richmond supporters know why it was made this way ...     ::)

It's just a stupid rule period.  :shh
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« Reply #1941 on: April 08, 2022, 01:22:10 PM »
The stand rule makes 0 sense in the context of the game and that should have been enough to prevent it from ever being integrated in the first place. Like what sense does it make that you have to stand there like a witches hat while your opponent fakes or even runs off the mark.

I can think of 100 different rules you could bring in to improve scoring like hey let’s make the defenders play with 1 arm tied behind their backs, that’s sure to make it easier for the forwards to score too.

Lastly has it even been proven that this stupid rule or the also stupid 6-6-6 rule has resulted in a significant increase in scoring per game. Like what’s the avg total score per game in 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2021 (ignoring 2020 because shorter quarters)?

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« Reply #1942 on: April 08, 2022, 01:35:28 PM »
True, but the ruck rule wasn’t brought in to stop a team
winning was it?



Well no....but the point is the AFL don't like to admit when they get it wrong no matter how many people tell them...:shh

Hawks supporters reckon it was to target them.

The stand rule makes 0 sense in the context of the game and that should have been enough to prevent it from ever being integrated in the first place. Like what sense does it make that you have to stand there like a witches hat while your opponent fakes or even runs off the mark.

I can think of 100 different rules you could bring in to improve scoring like hey let’s make the defenders play with 1 arm tied behind their backs, that’s sure to make it easier for the forwards to score too.

Lastly has it even been proven that this stupid rule or the also stupid 6-6-6 rule has resulted in a significant increase in scoring per game. Like what’s the avg total score per game in 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2021 (ignoring 2020 because shorter quarters)?

It makes no sense at all - except for when you apply it specifically to two teams; Geelong who are essentially the only team it would benefit in theory and; Richmond who were the primary team it was intended to damage. Hocking actually made this expressly clear after the 2020 GF, as he was frustrated at how the Richmond players defended the mark with their lateral movement.

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1943 on: April 08, 2022, 06:15:23 PM »
So much for the AFL cracking down on those blatantly staging for free kicks  ::).

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1944 on: April 08, 2022, 10:01:38 PM »
The idiotic nominated ruck rule which has always been universally hated even by the AFL media sycophants is now into it's sixth season...so don't expect the stand rule which still has it's fair share of supporters and apologists to be going anywhere anytime soon.... :shh
The ruck rule actually advantaged us in 2017. Enabled Grigg to go into the ruck while being an extra ground level mid.
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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1945 on: April 08, 2022, 10:19:03 PM »
Hawkins dead set X 2 push in the backs.  No calls. 

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1946 on: April 08, 2022, 10:24:23 PM »
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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1947 on: April 08, 2022, 10:26:31 PM »
Hawkins dead set X 2 push in the backs.  No calls.
Plus Hawkins was gifted two frees for nothing.

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1948 on: April 08, 2022, 10:33:16 PM »
3 votes to the umpires, cheats

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1949 on: April 08, 2022, 10:37:06 PM »
The idiotic nominated ruck rule which has always been universally hated even by the AFL media sycophants is now into it's sixth season...so don't expect the stand rule which still has it's fair share of supporters and apologists to be going anywhere anytime soon.... :shh
The ruck rule actually advantaged us in 2017. Enabled Grigg to go into the ruck while being an extra ground level mid.
I think we could have deployed that regardless of the ruck rule.
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