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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #2535 on: May 01, 2023, 05:47:50 AM »
'That has to be deliberate!'

Controversy as Wil Powell rushes the behind with no pressure around him.

https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1652570178826436608


Not blaming the umps for our pathetic loss, but how the hell was this not paid deliberate when the AFL stipulated in their own video that rushing a point under no immediate physical pressure will be paid a free kick for deliberate rushed behind :huh3.   

https://www.afl.com.au/video/166188/2017-laws-of-the-game-deliberately-rushed-behind


4 umps out there and none of them knew the rule ::).
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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #2536 on: May 01, 2023, 08:20:39 AM »
That was a free every day lol

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #2537 on: May 01, 2023, 09:00:10 AM »
No surprise to me it wasn't paid deliberate

Just another grey area of the rules. Umps will say he was in the goal square (he wasn't) or he didn't rush it per se it was a defensive punch.....

That the commentators don't know says it all. Pre-season they get taken through a video of how things are interpreted and despite that they didn't know

Blah, blah

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Just over 12 months ago at the ANZAC eve game as we sat and lamented the diabolical stand rule I said the game was stuffed

12 months and 1 week later it is still stuffed
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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #2538 on: May 01, 2023, 10:28:42 AM »
Only thing I can think of is that he could argue he was preventing a goal bouncing through/was spoiling

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #2539 on: May 01, 2023, 11:48:34 AM »
Only thing I can think of is that he could argue he was preventing a goal bouncing through/was spoiling

He could but he could've also caught the ball and dished it off, if it was on a boundary line and he did that it would be deliberate. The ball bounced along the ground first it should have been deliberate.

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #2540 on: May 01, 2023, 02:11:49 PM »
The GC defender had every right to prevent a goal by touching the ball, its only an issue that his punch went over for a behind with nobody near him. 
IMO a defender should always be allowed to defend a goal with no chance of coughing up a free kick & goal anyway because of a series of poorly worded rules.  You just cannot outlaw defending, but team up the deliberately rushed behind rule with deliberate out of bounds rule & that's exactly what you have -  a player in danger of breaking a rule because he chose to prevent a goal ...
Don't change defending your team's goals - remove the stupid rules that cause all the controversies in the first place!   
By the letter of the laws the GC player should've been penalized ... and there's nothing more stupid than that!   
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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #2541 on: May 01, 2023, 09:54:54 PM »
Has the umpire made A Bad decision? twitter:

That's clearly deliberate

No pressure on him, and has plenty of other options.

Should have been paid. Bad error #AFLTigersSuns

https://twitter.com/hasumpstuffedup/status/1652575978215059457

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #2542 on: May 02, 2023, 03:41:29 PM »
No surprise to me it wasn't paid deliberate

Just another grey area of the rules. Umps will say he was in the goal square (he wasn't) or he didn't rush it per se it was a defensive punch.....

That the commentators don't know says it all. Pre-season they get taken through a video of how things are interpreted and despite that they didn't know

Blah, blah

MT if you remember

Just over 12 months ago at the ANZAC eve game as we sat and lamented the diabolical stand rule I said the game was stuffed

12 months and 1 week later it is still stuffed
:yep

Add deliberate out of bounds around the ground as well to the list of making it up as they go rules. We got pinged for a kick off the ground that went off the side of the boot while a deliberate kick by a Suns' player straight towards and over the boundary line wasn't paid.

https://twitter.com/rfcswallace/status/1653164940247838720

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #2543 on: May 06, 2023, 03:15:55 PM »
Pretty brutal 50m penalty against Cumberland results in a goal for the Eagles.

WATCH: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1654711696152494080


The poor standard of umpiring will not improve with the AFL's cone of silence. No one is suggesting tolerating the bagging and abusing of volunteer umps at junior and amateur level. That's not on. But at the AFL level, you simply can't allow clueless umps pay 50 and cost teams a goal for a player simply trying a typical soccer deft touch by foot to bring the ball to a stop over the line. Cumberland was actually trying to save time and keep the ball in the area for the boundary umpire to collect.

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #2544 on: May 06, 2023, 03:54:39 PM »
Have no issue with that 50

Rule is stupid but has been around since the 1990s

I sat there thinking "hope hw gets away with it"  ;D

He didn't
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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #2545 on: May 06, 2023, 04:46:46 PM »
Have no issue with that 50

Rule is stupid but has been around since the 1990s

I sat there thinking "hope hw gets away with it"  ;D

He didn't
Cumberland had a poor game and no surprise he got dragged. But, he shouldn't have been pinged for that 50. Replay clearly showed him trying to control and stop the ball with the outside of his foot which is a typical soccer skill. He wasn't trying to kick the ball away. Dare I say "commonsense" should have been applied by the ump but apparently that only applies to our opponents (hello Sydney game last year).
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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #2546 on: May 06, 2023, 04:54:50 PM »
That 50 was a complete stuffing disaster.

Worst 50 of the year by a wide margin. We don't want to see that poo on the weekend when we're trying to relax. That was a weekday tax collector's 50. stuff right off with that rubbish.

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #2547 on: May 06, 2023, 05:57:05 PM »
Bottom line is ball was over the line, Noah was over the line and kicked it away.

So under the stupid rule in place it is 50 metres

The problem is it rarely gets paid so when it does it becomes a controversial decision

As I said and clearly I am in the minority it was the right call however moronic the rule is
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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #2548 on: May 06, 2023, 06:01:00 PM »
Bottom line is ball was over the line, Noah was over the line and kicked it away.

So under the stupid rule in place it is 50 metres

The problem is it rarely gets paid so when it does it becomes a controversial decision

As I said and clearly I am in the minority it was the right call however moronic the rule is
To me, it looked like he tried to keep the ball in.

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #2549 on: May 06, 2023, 06:07:09 PM »
Yeah, the ball was over by 4/12ths of a foot in slow-mo at the right angle.

Seriously, eff off and get a job directing traffic.

stuffing terrible decision.

Un-Australian -- right up until Australia became the "keep off the grass" capital of the universe.