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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: wayne on February 25, 2010, 01:58:53 PM
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Richmond v Geelong
Saturday 27 February, 4pm
2. Will Thursfield
3. Brett Deledio
5. Troy Simmonds
6. Graham Polak
8. Jack Riewoldt
9. Trent Cotchin
10. Shane Edwards
15. Mitch Farmer
16. Luke Mcguane
17. Chris Newman
19. Daniel Connors
20. Mitch Morton
23. Daniel Jackson
25. Angus Graham
26. Robin Nahas
27. Tom Hislop
28. Jake King
29. Tyrone Vickery
30. Richard Tambling
31. Adam Thomson
32. Ben Cousins
33. David Gourdis
36. Dustin Martin
37. Jayden Post
40. Kelvin Moore
43. Matt Dea
44. Troy Taylor
46. Jeromey Webberley
50. Relton Roberts
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No Ablett for the Cats.....
GEELONG
3 Jimmy Bartel
5 Travis Varcoe
6 Brad Ottens
8 Josh Hunt
9 James Kelly
12 Trent West
13 Tom Lonergan
16 Dawson Simpson
17 Shannon Byrnes
22 Mitchell Duncan
25 Tom Gillies
28 Allen Christensen
30 Matthew Scarlett
31 James Podsiadly
32 Steven Motlop
35 Paul Chapman
37 Jeremy Laidler
38 Taylor Hunt
39 Darren Milburn
40 David Wojcinski
44 Corey Enright
46 Adam Varcoe
48 Thomas Allwright
49 Jesse Stringer
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/nab-cup-squads-round-2/story-e6frf9jf-1225833861328
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Interesting to see who will come out of that side actually, looks pretty close to having all our main players in that will play round one, bar Polak. Might wan't to play the bets of that lot and include some of the newbies to see where we are at playing the Cats. Interesting to see Polo out too!!
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Cats will be missing Ablett, Ling, Corey, Selwood, Mooney, Hawkins, Steve Johnson, Mackie, Rooke, Blake and Harry Taylor.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/89936/default.aspx
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They're making it an even playing field then? :rollin
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Well in all honesty then if we can't beat them with those players out...... :help
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Well in all honesty then if we can't beat them with those players out...... :help
And we won't have our full side and it's a practice match and it's in the middle of woop woop and it's still Feb. Anyone putting more than a poofteenth of relevance on the outcome is kidding themselves. Like the first game I just want to see what the kids have to offer.
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And we won't have our full side and it's a practice match and it's in the middle of woop woop and it's still Feb. Anyone putting more than a poofteenth of relevance on the outcome is kidding themselves. Like the first game I just want to see what the kids have to offer.
Agree smokey
I actually put less relevance on this than round 1 of the NAB
Team like Geelong treat these games as what they are; PRACTICE games, they experiment with youngsters, give older players different roles.
We should be using this game to, to continue to work on the new game plan
Would expect evey bloke on our list to play in these games before the season proper
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Well in all honesty then if we can't beat them with those players out...... :help
And we won't have our full side and it's a practice match and it's in the middle of woop woop and it's still Feb. Anyone putting more than a poofteenth of relevance on the outcome is kidding themselves. Like the first game I just want to see what the kids have to offer.
So, what players have they got out compared to us, we have nearly a full strength side and they are minus most of their main players. I am not treating this game anything other than a practice match and I didn't say anything that would indicate other wise. All I said is with the amount of players they have out compared to our side we should beat them,. Play the youth ra ra ra we all know that, everyone has been saying that since half way through last year. :thumbsup
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for some of us its been a little more than the middle of last yr. ive been calling for a full on youth policy since 02.
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So, what players have they got out compared to us, we have nearly a full strength side and they are minus most of their main players..........................................All I said is with the amount of players they have out compared to our side we should beat them.
Kinda missed the point of what I was saying WAT?
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Tucky left out and still no sign of Jordie. Not good signs for them given this seems a strong side this week. Both seem on the outer to Hardwick's youth policy. Rance dropped too. Obviously paying for last week's display. Polo, Whitey and Collo left out as well. Astbury I would've kept in as he showed something against the Hawks and as a newbie the extra gametime would've done him good.
Hopefully some more of the first year draftees get a go on Saturday like Taylor and Webberley.
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So, what players have they got out compared to us, we have nearly a full strength side and they are minus most of their main players..........................................All I said is with the amount of players they have out compared to our side we should beat them.
Kinda missed the point of what I was saying WAT?
Kinda missed my first post then smokey?
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Kinda missed my first post then smokey?
Interesting to see who will come out of that side actually, looks pretty close to having all our main players in that will play round one, bar Polak. Might wan't to play the bets of that lot and include some of the newbies to see where we are at playing the Cats. Interesting to see Polo out too!!
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Kinda missed my first post then smokey?
Interesting to see who will come out of that side actually, looks pretty close to having all our main players in that will play round one, bar Polak. Might wan't to play the bets of that lot and include some of the newbies to see where we are at playing the Cats. Interesting to see Polo out too!!
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Yeah
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Dont think McGaune is playing ;)
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Interesting to see who the final 26 will be. I'd leave out King, Thomson and Polak out of those names as we know what they can do (or can't do) although Kingy will be probably play as he missed the Hawthorn game.
B: Thursty McGuane Farmer
HB: Webberley Post Newman
C: Tambling Deledio Jackson
HF: Taylor Riewoldt Cousins
F: Morton Vickery Nahas
R: Simmonds Martin Cotchin
Int: Graham, Moore, Connors, Edwards, Hislop, Gourdis, Dea, Roberts
edit: If McGuane isn't playing then our backline will be vunerable again :-\
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edit: If McGuane isn't playing then our backline will be vunerable again :-\
Why will it they are hardly playing with a forward line?
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edit: If McGuane isn't playing then our backline will be vunerable again :-\
Why will it they are hardly playing with a forward line?
They're playing 3 rucks - Ottens, West and Simpson - so Otto could play forward next to Lonergan and Podsiadly. The latter two aren't great but they won't be playing against a proven backline either. We were exposed for a lack of height and body strength in defence last week. McGuane role is usually to play on the tallest forward.
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Interesting to see who the final 26 will be. I'd leave out King, Thomson and Polak out of those names as we know what they can do (or can't do) although Kingy will be probably play as he missed the Hawthorn game.
B: Thursty McGuane Farmer
HB: Webberley Post Newman
C: Tambling Deledio Jackson
HF: Taylor Riewoldt Cousins
F: Morton Vickery Nahas
R: Simmonds Martin Cotchin
Int: Graham, Moore, Connors, Edwards, Hislop, Gourdis, Dea, Roberts
edit: If McGuane isn't playing then our backline will be vunerable again :-\
Has McGuane been missing from training ?
My mail is he spent a week in hospital, is okay now, alhough wont be ready till round 1,
Got kneed in the groin at training.
Is well behind with his pre season ??
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So, what players have they got out compared to us, we have nearly a full strength side and they are minus most of their main players. I am not treating this game anything other than a practice match and I didn't say anything that would indicate other wise. All I said is with the amount of players they have out compared to our side we should beat them,. Play the youth ra ra ra we all know that, everyone has been saying that since half way through last year. :thumbsup
I think one of the flaws in your agrument WAT is how you appear to view Geelong's second stringers.
Some of them would easlity walk into a young side like ours.
So even if we have nearly a full squad that doesn't equate to us being ahead of a weaker Cats line up
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Kinda missed my first post then smokey?
Interesting to see who will come out of that side actually, looks pretty close to having all our main players in that will play round one, bar Polak. Might wan't to play the bets of that lot and include some of the newbies to see where we are at playing the Cats. Interesting to see Polo out too!!
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WTF? What is the relevance of your first post to my point?
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I believe that Relton Webberley Taylor Dea will all play.
Interesting to note that White, Rance, Mcmahon all left out of the side.
Gourdis is developing very nicely indeed i believe.
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Interesting to note that White, Rance, Mcmahon all left out of the side.
Statement or coincidence you think?
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Interesting to note that White, Rance, Mcmahon all left out of the side.
Statement or coincidence you think?
A statement made easier by circumstances - they will want to have a look at each kid and give each one a 'taste' so most of the list will miss one game anyway but in White and Rance's case I would be willing to bet they have been told to go back and work on their deficiencies.
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Gourdis is developing very nicely indeed i believe.
massive bonus if he makes it as a decent footballer at AFL level.
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Interesting to note that White, Rance, Mcmahon all left out of the side.
Statement or coincidence you think?
A statement made easier by circumstances - they will want to have a look at each kid and give each one a 'taste' so most of the list will miss one game anyway but in White and Rance's case I would be willing to bet they have been told to go back and work on their deficiencies.
Impossible to fix
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Has anybody heard how Richmond's 2nd 18 is going? I believe they have a match at Craigieburn (against Essendon's 2nd 18?) which started at 2pm. Any scores or updates?
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Interesting to note that White, Rance, Mcmahon all left out of the side.
Statement or coincidence you think?
A statement made easier by circumstances - they will want to have a look at each kid and give each one a 'taste' so most of the list will miss one game anyway but in White and Rance's case I would be willing to bet they have been told to go back and work on their deficiencies.
Impossible to fix
Don't water the rocks, eh Jack?
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Has anybody heard how Richmond's 2nd 18 is going? I believe they have a match at Craigieburn (against Essendon's 2nd 18?) which started at 2pm. Any scores or updates?
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10373.30
:P
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Has anybody heard how Richmond's 2nd 18 is going? I believe they have a match at Craigieburn (against Essendon's 2nd 18?) which started at 2pm. Any scores or updates?
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10373.30
:P
Thanks - I think :help
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I believe that Relton Webberley Taylor Dea will all play.
Good to hear blaisee.
Interesting to note that White, Rance, Mcmahon all left out of the side.
Statement or coincidence you think?
It doesn't appear any of them made a reply to that statement at Coburg today :P
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So, what players have they got out compared to us, we have nearly a full strength side and they are minus most of their main players. I am not treating this game anything other than a practice match and I didn't say anything that would indicate other wise. All I said is with the amount of players they have out compared to our side we should beat them,. Play the youth ra ra ra we all know that, everyone has been saying that since half way through last year. :thumbsup
I think one of the flaws in your agrument WAT is how you appear to view Geelong's second stringers.
Some of them would easlity walk into a young side like ours.
So even if we have nearly a full squad that doesn't equate to us being ahead of a weaker Cats line up
So our supposed top line players cant beat their second stringers, thats what I am saying, we have a full on side named, we should be able to beat their second stringers yeah or not. If not we are 6-8 years off a premiership.
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Kinda missed my first post then smokey?
Interesting to see who will come out of that side actually, looks pretty close to having all our main players in that will play round one, bar Polak. Might wan't to play the bets of that lot and include some of the newbies to see where we are at playing the Cats. Interesting to see Polo out too!!
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WTF? What is the relevance of your first post to my point?
WTF was yours to mine then????
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So our supposed top line players cant beat their second stringers, thats what I am saying, we have a full on side named, we should be able to beat their second stringers yeah or not. If not we are 6-8 years off a premiership.
You've missed my point
If you are saying that the squad we've put up is close to our best then I am saying that some of their 2nd stringers are currently better than some of those in our squad this weekend. And part of that is simply because we are so young.
I don't quite understand how you can suggest that the likes of Webberley, Taylor and Dea are part of our best at this point when we haven't seen them play and they are in their first AFL season
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So, what players have they got out compared to us, we have nearly a full strength side and they are minus most of their main players. I am not treating this game anything other than a practice match and I didn't say anything that would indicate other wise. All I said is with the amount of players they have out compared to our side we should beat them,. Play the youth ra ra ra we all know that, everyone has been saying that since half way through last year. :thumbsup
I think one of the flaws in your agrument WAT is how you appear to view Geelong's second stringers.
Some of them would easlity walk into a young side like ours.
So even if we have nearly a full squad that doesn't equate to us being ahead of a weaker Cats line up
So our supposed top line players cant beat their second stringers, thats what I am saying, we have a full on side named, we should be able to beat their second stringers yeah or not. If not we are 6-8 years off a premiership.
i think tomorrow will give you reality check, of where we're really at :)
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It doesn't appear any of them made a reply to that statement at Coburg today :P
Then again maybe they did. :nope
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Has McGuane been missing from training ?
My mail is he spent a week in hospital, is okay now, alhough wont be ready till round 1,
Got kneed in the groin at training.
Is well behind with his pre season ??
Luke was training last tuesday week. He was missing with some injury and in the rehab group prior to that training session AFAIK.
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Has McGuane been missing from training ?
My mail is he spent a week in hospital, is okay now, alhough wont be ready till round 1,
Got kneed in the groin at training.
Is well behind with his pre season ??
Luke was training last tuesday week. He was missing with some injury and in the rehab group prior to that training session AFAIK.
Went to hospital,
Is okay now although wont be ready to round 1 ?
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WTF was yours to mine then????
There was none. I never commented on your first post! For the record, here is my initial post:
Well in all honesty then if we can't beat them with those players out...... :help
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And we won't have our full side and it's a practice match and it's in the middle of woop woop and it's still Feb. Anyone putting more than a poofteenth of relevance on the outcome is kidding themselves. Like the first game I just want to see what the kids have to offer.
You then fired back with:
So, what players have they got out compared to us, we have nearly a full strength side and they are minus most of their main players. I am not treating this game anything other than a practice match and I didn't say anything that would indicate other wise. All I said is with the amount of players they have out compared to our side we should beat them,. Play the youth ra ra ra we all know that, everyone has been saying that since half way through last year.
So I'll say it again - I think you missed the point of my post. My point being that there are so many factors that will influence or mask the reality of both lists on the day that it will be irrelevant to make any sort of comment about who should beat who. You appeared to agree with that yet immediately disagree with yourself in your reply so I'm not sure what perspective you were viewing it from or taking.
"I am not treating this game anything other than a practice match" vs "with the amount of players they have out compared to our side we should beat them" says to me that you are treating it as more than a practice match because a practice match is just that - for clubs to test, try, practice and evaluate all sorts of things - and there is no relevance to the reality of who should beat who. Playing lists mean nothing in practice matches.
What any of this had to do with your first post or why you considered my post was referring to it I have no idea.
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WTF was yours to mine then????
There was none. I never commented on your first post! For the record, here is my initial post:
Well in all honesty then if we can't beat them with those players out...... :help
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And we won't have our full side and it's a practice match and it's in the middle of woop woop and it's still Feb. Anyone putting more than a poofteenth of relevance on the outcome is kidding themselves. Like the first game I just want to see what the kids have to offer.
You then fired back with:
So, what players have they got out compared to us, we have nearly a full strength side and they are minus most of their main players. I am not treating this game anything other than a practice match and I didn't say anything that would indicate other wise. All I said is with the amount of players they have out compared to our side we should beat them,. Play the youth ra ra ra we all know that, everyone has been saying that since half way through last year.
So I'll say it again - I think you missed the point of my post. My point being that there are so many factors that will influence or mask the reality of both lists on the day that it will be irrelevant to make any sort of comment about who should beat who. You appeared to agree with that yet immediately disagree with yourself in your reply so I'm not sure what perspective you were viewing it from or taking.
"I am not treating this game anything other than a practice match" vs "with the amount of players they have out compared to our side we should beat them" says to me that you are treating it as more than a practice match because a practice match is just that - for clubs to test, try, practice and evaluate all sorts of things - and there is no relevance to the reality of who should beat who. Playing lists mean nothing in practice matches.
What any of this had to do with your first post or why you considered my post was referring to it I have no idea.
Are you kidding me or what, "playing lists mean nothing in practice matches"???????????? How do you work that out, I know its a practice match and I am treating it the same as you were thats why your post didnt make any sense to me, just because I said we should win. If we go into this game with the side we have on paper practice match or not we should beat the Cats as they have 80% of their best GF side out. Do you really think playing lists mean nothing????? Honestly dont you think we should win this based on our team on paper, if not I am not sure when you want or expect us to win because this will be just about our best side minus maybe 4 average players.
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Troy Simmonds has been named for today's match after recovering from minor injury, with Cousins, Troy Taylor and mature-aged rookie Graham Polak also in the squad.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-fight-to-hold-fans/story-e6frf9jf-1225834979525
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is the game on radio or tv?
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Are you kidding me or what, "playing lists mean nothing in practice matches"
No, dead serious. They don't mean a thing in practice matches. You can have the best looking list on paper but because it's a proctice match you decide to try your best forwards out as defenders, rucks as forwards, practice the skill of 'keepings off' instead of your normal attacking gameplan, change your normal rotations to blood kids, etc etc etc. There are a thousand things you might/can do in practice matches that bear no resemblance to the performance of a team in the real season, and because of that you can put no stock in a. the list, and b. the result.
I know its a practice match and I am treating it the same as you were thats why your post didnt make any sense to me, just because I said we should win. If we go into this game with the side we have on paper practice match or not we should beat the Cats as they have 80% of their best GF side out. Do you really think playing lists mean nothing.
No, I don't believe you are treating it the same as me, otherwise you would have placed no expectations on a win.
Honestly dont you think we should win this based on our team on paper, if not I am not sure when you want or expect us to win because this will be just about our best side minus maybe 4 average players.
See above. I have no expectations of any result - there are so many variables in a practice match that to set any expectation based on names alone is a folly. We will probably lose because of where are coming from as a club but it's a practice match - who knows what Hardwick or Thompson have planned for their respective teams?
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It doesn't appear any of them made a reply to that statement at Coburg today :P
Then again maybe they did. :nope
:lol
Good to hear that Taylor is in the side today btw. A chance to show footy and being under the eyes of the RFC is the best way to get his life on track.
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is the game on radio or tv?
http://www.krock.com.au/krockstream.html
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Are you kidding me or what, "playing lists mean nothing in practice matches"
No, dead serious. They don't mean a thing in practice matches. You can have the best looking list on paper but because it's a proctice match you decide to try your best forwards out as defenders, rucks as forwards, practice the skill of 'keepings off' instead of your normal attacking gameplan, change your normal rotations to blood kids, etc etc etc. There are a thousand things you might/can do in practice matches that bear no resemblance to the performance of a team in the real season, and because of that you can put no stock in a. the list, and b. the result.
I know its a practice match and I am treating it the same as you were thats why your post didnt make any sense to me, just because I said we should win. If we go into this game with the side we have on paper practice match or not we should beat the Cats as they have 80% of their best GF side out. Do you really think playing lists mean nothing.
No, I don't believe you are treating it the same as me, otherwise you would have placed no expectations on a win.
Honestly dont you think we should win this based on our team on paper, if not I am not sure when you want or expect us to win because this will be just about our best side minus maybe 4 average players.
See above. I have no expectations of any result - there are so many variables in a practice match that to set any expectation based on names alone is a folly. We will probably lose because of where are coming from as a club but it's a practice match - who knows what Hardwick or Thompson have planned for their respective teams?
Yeah ok, don't really think Hardwick would want to change too much around at the moment, wouldnt you think he would be getting the players to practice the game plan, rather than playing keepings off or playing players out of position?? Thats the one of the main reasons for a practice isnt it, as well as playing the kids, thats what I would have thought. Why would he go mucking around with his game plan or "playing keepings off"when our players cant get a handle on the game plan yet. Sorrry, doesnt seem logical to me.
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3 Jimmy Bartel 26 yoa
5 Travis Varcoe 21
6 Brad Ottens 30
8 Josh Hunt 27
9 James Kelly 27
12 Trent West 22
13 Tom Lonergan 25
16 Dawson Simpson 21
17 Shannon Byrnes 25
22 Mitchell Duncan 18
25 Tom Gillies 19
28 Allen Christensen 18
30 Matthew Scarlett 30
31 James Podsiadly 28
32 Steven Motlop 18
35 Paul Chapman 28
37 Jeremy Laidler 20
38 Taylor Hunt 19
39 Darren Milburn 32
40 David Wojcinski 29
44 Corey Enright 28
46 Adam Varcoe 19
48 Thomas Allwright 19
49 Jesse Stringer 18
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2. Will Thursfield 23
3. Brett Deledio 22
5. Troy Simmonds 31
6. Graham Polak 25
8. Jack Riewoldt 21
9. Trent Cotchin 19
10. Shane Edwards 21
15. Mitch Farmer 21
16. Luke Mcguane 23
17. Chris Newman 27
19. Daniel Connors 21
20. Mitch Morton 23
23. Daniel Jackson 23
25. Angus Graham 22
26. Robin Nahas 22
27. Tom Hislop 21
28. Jake King 25
29. Tyrone Vickery 19
30. Richard Tambling 23
31. Adam Thomson 23
32. Ben Cousins 31
33. David Gourdis 20
36. Dustin Martin 18
37. Jayden Post 20
40. Kelvin Moore 25
43. Matt Dea 18
44. Troy Taylor 18
46. Jeromey Webberley 21
50. Relton Roberts 23
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Well listening to the game I didn't notice any of our players playing out of position nor did I notice a game of keepings of.
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2. Will Thursfield 23
3. Brett Deledio 22
5. Troy Simmonds 31
6. Graham Polak 25
8. Jack Riewoldt 21
9. Trent Cotchin 19
10. Shane Edwards 21
15. Mitch Farmer 21
16. Luke Mcguane 23
17. Chris Newman 27
19. Daniel Connors 21
20. Mitch Morton 23
23. Daniel Jackson 23
25. Angus Graham 22
26. Robin Nahas 22
27. Tom Hislop 21
28. Jake King 25
29. Tyrone Vickery 19
30. Richard Tambling 23
31. Adam Thomson 23
32. Ben Cousins 31
33. David Gourdis 20
36. Dustin Martin 18
37. Jayden Post 20
40. Kelvin Moore 25
43. Matt Dea 18
44. Troy Taylor 18
46. Jeromey Webberley 21
50. Relton Roberts 23
Just 5 Tigers over 23 y.o. compared to 12 Cats. Yep we were such a mature side today according to dopey K-Rock :wallywink.
The only difference is the Cats can bring in another half-a-dozen or so mature star premiership players for the real stuff which we don't have.
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2. Will Thursfield 23
3. Brett Deledio 22
5. Troy Simmonds 31
6. Graham Polak 25
8. Jack Riewoldt 21
9. Trent Cotchin 19
10. Shane Edwards 21
15. Mitch Farmer 21
16. Luke Mcguane 23
17. Chris Newman 27
19. Daniel Connors 21
20. Mitch Morton 23
23. Daniel Jackson 23
25. Angus Graham 22
26. Robin Nahas 22
27. Tom Hislop 21
28. Jake King 25
29. Tyrone Vickery 19
30. Richard Tambling 23
31. Adam Thomson 23
32. Ben Cousins 31
33. David Gourdis 20
36. Dustin Martin 18
37. Jayden Post 20
40. Kelvin Moore 25
43. Matt Dea 18
44. Troy Taylor 18
46. Jeromey Webberley 21
50. Relton Roberts 23
Just 5 Tigers over 23 y.o. compared to 12 Cats. Yep we were such a mature side today according to dopey K-Rock :wallywink.
The only difference is the Cats can bring in another half-a-dozen or so mature star premiership players for the real stuff which we don't have.
Actually this just might highlight the fact that we have more depth than the Cats, we also had a few players out, nothing like the calibre of
the Cats but still..
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Make hay while the sun shines
There will be plenty of time for doom and gloom this year
Plus ur only as good as ur last game
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Richmond
Total games: 1450 (average 50)
7 Debuts
5 over 100 games
1 over 200
1 premiership player
1 Brownlow medalist
Geelong
1801 games (ave 62)
9 Debuts
9 over 100 games
3 over 200 games
11 premiership players
1 Brownlow medalist