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Tiger rifts widen despite easy win
Jon Ralph | September 01, 2008
RICHMOND yesterday had the gloss stripped from its 80-point win over Melbourne by the fallout from continuing tensions between coach Terry Wallace and president Gary March.
The Tigers capped an impressive season by notching their eighth victory of the past 11 games, their record in that period eclipsed only by Geelong.
Wallace said yesterday the finish to the year showed the club was "locked and loaded" to challenge next year, despite finishing ninth again this season.
But March rated the club's season only a five out of 10 on Triple M pre-match, as he revealed the club had set a deadline of June next year to assess Wallace's future.
Wallace, who was shocked mid-year when football director Greg Miller was sacked by the Richmond board, described March's rating as "harsh".
Wallace was clearly upset with March's appraisal - he felt the season was worth was at least 6 1/2 - and the coach was also bemused by the lack of consultation over the appointment of a new director of football.
It came as he also implored the Richmond board to approve a bid for a big fish in trade week to help set up a tilt at the top eight.
In turn, March said all list-management decisions would be made by recruiting manager Craig Cameron, the implication being Wallace should not have much power in that process.
It was a messy end to a season full of progress for Richmond, so clinical and effective yesterday against Melbourne.
Only last year the club was in a similar position, but turned a 3 1/2-win, wooden-spoon year into 11 1/2 victories in Wallace's best season with the club.
Wallace remains bullish about Richmond's progress, especially as the improvement has come from the club's younger players.
"We will take ninth. Ninth is where we are at," he said.
"We believe that this time around it's a strong ninth. At times we have had a reasonable start and fallen away, and with a more senior side than this year. There are some pleasing signs."
March was not so confident: "(It was) probably a five out of 10, if we are being really honest with ourselves and where we are at. We beat everyone we should beat, but we didn't beat any of the sides above us, really, apart from Hawthorn, which was our best win of the year.
"We are pleased we have improved, but we still have a long way to go."
March said Wallace was comfortable with a June deadline to begin talks on whether the coach would be re-hired or fired.
"We will sit down in June next year, we will make a decision in July and we will make that in conjunction with Terry Wallace. We won't announce it before that," March said.
Wallace has said he will not trade for players simply because it could be his last year, but will consider it if a player is available in the right age bracket.
"Decisions have to be made there and they are not all my decisions," he said.
"I am just hopeful the club gives us an opportunity.
"We are now locked and loaded and ready to be able to really put in some form of challenge going into next year.
"Do we go into the marketplace? You would like it to be a footy decision, but that's not always the case."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24272461-19742,00.html
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Bizarre to keep Terry Wallace in dark
Mike Sheahan | September 01, 2008
ONLY at Richmond. What a bizarre turn of events before yesterday's Richmond-Melbourne game at the MCG.
During a pre-match interview on Triple M, Richmond president Gary March happily rated his team's 2008 return a five out of 10.
Effectively, he was rating coach Terry Wallace. Effectively, he was publicly declaring Wallace's future an issue.
Even with one season to run on his five-year contract.
When Wallace did the radio rounds before the game, he revealed he had been left out of all considerations for the appointment of the next head of football at Punt Rd.
You could tell he wasn't happy, even if he did choose to hold his tongue.
It is an absolute lack of faith in the coach to remove him from discussions about the man with whom he will work so closely next year.
Where's the president's credibility when he says: "It is really important the list management decisions stay with Craig (Cameron) and that group"?
What nonsense is that?
What happens if Cameron and others decide they want to use, say, Cleve Hughes as trade bait and Wallace and his assistants see Hughes as a 10-year player?
What if Cameron and Co decide to move on a player seen by the coaching staff as pivotal to team morale?
Can't work. Wouldn't even be contemplated at the more stable clubs.
The amazing thing is Richmond has produced its best season since 2001. Yes, another ninth, but 11 wins and a draw this time. Eight wins from the last 11 games, including Hawthorn's scalp.
We won't be tipping Richmond to win the flag next year, but we will be looking forward to watching Deledio, Foley, Cotchin, Moore, Morton and Riewoldt take the club to the next level.
It's amazing to think March has sparked this debate.
Even to the point of speculating about a possible change of coach come July.
Only at Richmond.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/1,9191,24272460-19742,00.html
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Im beginning to like March more and more.
He is 100% correct. the season was no better than a 5/10. 9th spot is not finals and He is doing the right thing by keeping TW on his toes.
His time will come June next year. Perform or goodbye.
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Where's the president's credibility when he says: "It is really important the list management decisions stay with Craig (Cameron) and that group"?
What nonsense is that?
What happens if Cameron and others decide they want to use, say, Cleve Hughes as trade bait and Wallace and his assistants see Hughes as a 10-year player?
What if Cameron and Co decide to move on a player seen by the coaching staff as pivotal to team morale?
Can't work. Wouldn't even be contemplated at the more stable clubs.
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It's amazing to think March has sparked this debate.
Even to the point of speculating about a possible change of coach come July.
And I'm beginning to like March less and less. His recent performance and handling in the media of some club issues has been very amateurish and ill-conceived, he has me genuinely fearful that he does not have the skillset to lead our club effectively. Sheahan has got it absolutely right in these comments above and if March doesn't pull the whole team together very soon, then we will undo a large amount of good work and hard work that has already been done. He needs to take a good dose of his own medicine and butt out of the day to day operations of the football department - letting the actions and results speak for themselves - and then, and ONLY then, reacting as appropriate.
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It's amazing to think March has sparked this debate.
What debate is that, Mike Sheahan? The one you and your media mates are sparking by putting your own spin on what was said?
I heard both TripleM interviews and I'm scratching my head as to how there was anything sinister in them.
The only part that raised an eyebrow from me was Wallace mentioning that he hasn't had any consultation about the new General Manager of football.
That can be fixed - no appointment has been made yet.
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If 10/10 is a premiership, then 5/10 is a fair rating for the season.
We are a middle table team, if we had made finals it would have been 6 or 7 out of 10.
Don't forget that our first 11 games were shocking and we only had 3 wins and a draw.
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If 10/10 is a premiership, then 5/10 is a fair rating for the season.
We are a middle table team, if we had made finals it would have been 6 or 7 out of 10.
Don't forget that our first 11 games were shocking and we only had 3 wins and a draw.
exactly!!!
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Let the club sort thier issues out behind closed doors, The season is over
Some of us have known there are ill feeling within the club & now its time for them officials & players to sort out the rot before next year
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Do you ever hear any of this sort of internal boardroom/administration rubbish coming out of another club?
March probably feels that TW had too much say in recruitments in the past with his close professional friendship with Miller and now wants take all recruiting decisions away from him especially given that this is his last year. I can see the logic in this but practically this just can not work.
The coaches need input into the players they will be coaching. They should have a say in who stays and who goes, what type of players they are in need of and what type they have an abundance of. As Sheahan rightly points out the coaches have a much better understanding of the dynamics of the group and the potential of players. Outsiders can not possibly have the same understanding of a playing group as those who work, analyse and develop each player on a daily basis.
I think March should pull his finger out and stop trying to play hardball. He needs to support what he has why it's there and if TW fails to meet expectations next year then cut him loose. Until then though he needs to have a say and March needs to have faith in him.
I'm just tired of our dirty laundry always being aired in public!
Stripes
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Some of us have known there are ill feeling within the club
LMAO @ Some of us u wanker. :lol
LMAOO@ More at your low level of education.
Ur sooo special Tigermonkey,as well as being so privileged to know so many things about our club,things that we dont :wallywink
I'm still waiting to hear about how great a footballer and coach you "were" :scream
March is acting like a classless moron,regardless of wether he is right or wrong.(no wonder u and ur girl Danielle like him)
There are professional ways to handle things and this isn't one of them.
It only refuels the imploding,sneako reputation ew have tried so hard to eliminate.
Ashame so many stuffwits follow the club - luckily they have no say whatsoever other than an internet forum :thumbsup
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If 10/10 is a premiership, then 5/10 is a fair rating for the season.
We are a middle table team, if we had made finals it would have been 6 or 7 out of 10.
Don't forget that our first 11 games were shocking and we only had 3 wins and a draw.
Perhaps you should look at other factors when giving your rating, such as the fact that half (11) of our 22 had played less that 2 full years of AFL (50 games) and this is the side that won 8 of 11 matches in the 2nd half of the year.
It's not the same old duds that we had 5 years ago, this is our kids stepping up and getting us to within one more game of the Top 8 and 1 1/2 games from the Top 4.
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Some of us have known there are ill feeling within the club
LMAO @ Some of us u wanker. :lol
LMAOO@ More at your low level of education.
Ur sooo special Tigermonkey,as well as being so privileged to know so many things about our club,things that we dont :wallywink
I'm still waiting to hear about how great a footballer and coach you "were" :scream
March is acting like a classless moron,regardless of wether he is right or wrong.(no wonder u and ur girl Danielle like him)
There are professional ways to handle things and this isn't one of them.
It only refuels the imploding,sneako reputation ew have tried so hard to eliminate.
Ashame so many effwits follow the club - luckily they have no say whatsoever other than an internet forum :thumbsup
get a life stuffwit
stop bashing posters cause Bowden proved you wrong :rollin
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Whether March is right or wrong in his assessment is not really the point. This is another question mark over his PR abilities.
The coaching job will most likely be up for grabs end of 2009. What are the best applicants looking for:
* A young, competitive list - check
* A good football operations team - in progress
* Good training facilities - in progress
* A supportive, media savvy president - ????
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Whether March is right or wrong in his assessment is not really the point. This is another question mark over his PR abilities.
The coaching job will most likely be up for grabs end of 2009. What are the best applicants looking for:
* A young, competitive list - check
* A good football operations team - in progress
* Good training facilities - in progress
* A supportive, media savvy president - ????
Spot on jake!
Every coach needs support from the board and a say in matters that affect the playing list. At the moment March is letting the 'Footy World' know at Richmond you get neither.
Stripes
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Wallace may walk I reckon. And that may happen because if he leaves now he will always say that he left the club with a young list that had just won 11 1/2 games and a list that was on the up and that he was forced out, its a good way for him to keep his reputation in tact, i reckon theres a real chance he'll go now.
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The coaches need input into the players they will be coaching. They should have a say in who stays and who goes, what type of players they are in need of and what type they have an abundance of. As Sheahan rightly points out the coaches have a much better understanding of the dynamics of the group and the potential of players. Outsiders can not possibly have the same understanding of a playing group as those who work, analyse and develop each player on a daily basis.
Stripes
I suspect Wallace will still have the main stay on who goes and stays
Where he should have NO say is in who comes in and how they are acquired..
Hopefully this is now the case..
His desire to get Kerr is a disgrace
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Wallace may walk I reckon. And that may happen because if he leaves now he will always say that he left the club with a young list that had just won 11 1/2 games and a list that was on the up and that he was forced out, its a good way for him to keep his reputation in tact, i reckon theres a real chance he'll go now.
Disagree Ramps - I reckon he'll stay.... he wants to finish this job :thumbsup
Let the club sort their issues out behind closed doors, The season is over
Some of us have known there are ill feeling within the club & now its time for them officials & players to sort out the rot before next year
:clapping :clapping I agree with you totally TMonk.
It's been a good season, better than alot of people thought it would be, let's build on it not implode on it
:gotigers
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It's amazing to think March has sparked this debate.
What debate is that, Mike Sheahan? The one you and your media mates are sparking by putting your own spin on what was said?
I heard both TripleM interviews and I'm scratching my head as to how there was anything sinister in them.
The only part that raised an eyebrow from me was Wallace mentioning that he hasn't had any consultation about the new General Manager of football.
That can be fixed - no appointment has been made yet.
Sounds to me like the Scum is getting back at us for making them pull the Polly "interview".
Anyway with Mathhews resigning it's old news and no one but Sheahan and his mates are interested now.
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Why can't 2 people have a different perspective on things without it being blown out of proportion.
I can see where TW is coming from with 6.5 'based on last year' even though I tend to disagree, as I see it not based on anything but achieving finals and in that case Marchs'
5 is what we deserve as a mark.
Some may call it spin but I really think Wallace is fair dinkum and speaking his mind, 'nothing wrong with that'. He won't be going anywhere of his own accord.
Come June 09 if we are not in the 8 may be Dangertime for TW
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Wallace may walk I reckon. And that may happen because if he leaves now he will always say that he left the club with a young list that had just won 11 1/2 games and a list that was on the up and that he was forced out, its a good way for him to keep his reputation in tact, i reckon theres a real chance he'll go now.
I don't think he is going anywhere. He has stated that if he is not at Richmond then he is nowhere. He has risked his career on this club and will only go if pushed.
I hope he gets a chance to see his plan through
Stripes
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The media are enjoying this. Robbo reckons one now has to go as March and Wallace are not on the same page on serious issues. He also believes March wouldn't say anything unless he believed had the support of the board. It would also be natural for March's ears to prick up hearing Matthews has quit at Brisbane. Doran joked that Wallace would have phone Brisbane already.
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well he wouldnot have to use his solerium if he went to Brisbane ;D
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Both clubs lost spectacularly last time we swapped coaches. Wonder if either/both have learnt? :help
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The media are enjoying this. Robbo reckons one now has to go as March and Wallace are not on the same page on serious issues.
Since when were footy clubs ALWAYS happy playgrounds?
They're an organisation who are going to have conflicting views and opinions at times.
It's how they deal with it that shows the real working relationship strength between the two.
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Both clubs lost spectacularly last time we swapped coaches. Wonder if either/both have learnt? :help
Not that lightning would strike twice 13 years apart but you'll find that in many cases footy clubs do not learn from mistakes and hindsight is an often used word when reminiscing on things after an event takes place.
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If this wasn't the RFC we were talking about here this would be comical
Seriously!
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Whether March is right or wrong in his assessment is not really the point. This is another question mark over his PR abilities.
The coaching job will most likely be up for grabs end of 2009. What are the best applicants looking for:
* A young, competitive list - check
* A good football operations team - in progress
* Good training facilities - in progress
* A supportive, media savvy president - ????
Spot on jake!
Every coach needs support from the board and a say in matters that affect the playing list. At the moment March is letting the 'Footy World' know at Richmond you get neither.
Stripes
Yep on top of appointing a loose cannon L-plater like Free to the board, March has made some serious blues this year publicly which have needlessly embarrassed the club and overshadowed positive results by the footy team. Miller's sacking in the middle of a winning streak and just before a crucial game, and now this. I would've thought the answer was we are continuing on the long-term plan of developing our young list that in time and with maturity will give us sustained success and we agreed with Terry that we won't be discussing his contract until next year! Play a straight bat and stick to the company line and keep the inhouse stuff inhouse. Richmond officials still haven't learnt to keep their mouths shut when they need to ::).
Buckley on 3aw reckons this all comes back to the appointment of Free. Hard to argue with that as the club seemed united before he came on board.
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Free is a loose cannon much like Mal Brown was in 1994.
Many similarities to 1994
both seasons we finished 9th.
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On the couch should be good viewing tonight. Re Mike Sheahan
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yo gotta love the RFC. :whistle
batten down the hatches, there is a one hell of a storm brewing. :yep
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March is a fool.
What can possibly be gained from allowing this information,which March has,into the
media arena,when administrative reputation of late has been built on
standing side by side and building an honorable club base ? ?
It's reaks of poor business skill and a dose of personal ego.
If some of his supporters on here are an indication of the mentality this bloke
operates with,then were stuffed again.
Sack Miller and make Tony Free the scapegoat - Courageous.
Publicly negatively attack the coach,indirectly by giving him FA say over the list - Genius.
Speak negatively again about our season rather than selling the 8/11 end to the season - Shrewd.
Whatever his agenda,it's pathetic he can't keep his big mouth shut and go about getting what he wants
by exercising some brains and class.
He's a total idiot surrounded by his favorite idiots.
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You dont have to be einstein to work out what March is up too.
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On the couch should be good viewing tonight. Re Mike Sheahan
Mike, Healy and co didn't say much new on 3aw tonight apart from reckoning the situation is untenuable.
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Watched on the Couch
Healy said after watching the way Brisbane handled things today and then looking at what appears to be going on at richmond, there is on distinct difference. Unity at Brisbane, not so at Tigerland.
Healy suggested that there is a "fracture" in the relationship between the coach and the president (no kidding Gerard you really think so :wallywink)
Mike Sheahan agreed and said that Terry needs to make a stand and tell March "I aint going anywhere, I want some imput into the new footy director and I pick this team and chose who plays in it" (or words to that effect)
Healy asked what would be an acceptable result for Terry to get an extension at the end of 2009
Mike went onto say that in his opinion that despite what Terry does next season Gary March already has Terry's papers stamped.
Got the feeling Mike ain not fan of Gary march ;D
Wallsy said that he reckons Terry has done a good job and the improvement should be looked upon from where the Tigers are coming from. He said in 2007 we finished last and we were expected to beat those teams outside of the 8, which we did and be competitive against those in the 8 which we've done. He said that if we were still getting beaten by teams outside the 8 then there would reall reason for concern. Walls also reckons that March is already putting immense pressure on Wallace for 2009 - unfairly
walls finsihed by saying he heard a lot of Tiger talkback callers on 3AW tonight and 80% of them were happy with the improvement in the tigers in 2008 and that should be a message to the Club
Mike finished off by saying for the 1st time in probably 7 odd years there is some genuine hope amongst tiger fans and cannot understand why the President is doing this
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Oh yeah...
Healy suggested that based on Mike's theory of a new coach at the end of 2009 and the RFC focus on a "richmond person" perhaps Michael Malthouse could be the next coach of the tigers ::)
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the most disappointing thing is that the supporters should be feeling like we can take some positives into the 09 season, but alas NO we have innuendo and gossip surrounding the coach and president and where they stand in their relationship, so what ever positives we thought we might have achieved is lost in all this CRAP...
it seems that Terry is deadman walking even before the 09 season has even started...anyone who thinks that this doesnt have an effect on the playing group think again. :banghead
its very rarely i swear but i fcking tell you if this is to continue over the next few weeks they might find more than a truckload of manure on their doorstep.
are we the only club able to shoot itself in the foot at every turn.
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Final bit...
Healy said there are 3 possible options
1/ Coach & President sit down and sort out their differences for the betterment of the Club
2/ Coach goes
3/ President goes
The vibe I got was the lads on the Couch think it needs to be either 1 or 3 and not 2
:thumbsup
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I listened to 3aw tonight. Agree 80% of the Tiger fans who rang up were positive. The first supporter bagged the club for finishing 9th again but then the rest were happy with our improvement, the young guys development, and bagged the first caller for being an idiot and told him to stop smoking what he's on.
Oh yeah...
Healy suggested that based on Mike's theory of a new coach at the end of 2009 and the RFC focus on a "richmond person" perhaps Michael Malthouse could be the next coach of the tigers ::)
:rollin
Healy <----- :stupid
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No one needs to be going anywhere this year anyhow.
TW should stfu and stop trying to land some big fish that will save his career and concentrate on building this team off season and making the finals with what e have got. He has the cattle save the blood/y picks. No warnock and no Kerr.
geez if this team is a 6.5/10 then next year id expect a 8.5/10 and a top 4 finish. TW has spun himself into trouble with that call i would think.
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No one needs to be going anywhere this year anyhow.
TW should stfu and stop trying to land some big fish that will save his career and concentrate on building this team off season and making the finals with what e have got. He has the cattle save the blood/y picks. No warnock and no Kerr.
geez if this team is a 6.5/10 then next year id expect a 8.5/10 and a top 4 finish. TW has spun himself into trouble with that call i would think.
What the.... :o
Terry should shut up?
He wasn't the one who raised this first yesterday Daniel. It was the president who said list managment is up to Cameron, the president was the one who publicly said 5 out of 10. He was Triple M first then 3AW. Wallace was on after March .... so if you want people to "shut up" then it should be directed at everyone
There would have been no story if this was kept behind closed doors.
Keep the bickering for behind closed doors - it aint rocket science. ::)
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March will use the Herald-Sun tomorrow to deny there's a rift between himself and Wallace.
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No one needs to be going anywhere this year anyhow.
TW should stfu and stop trying to land some big fish that will save his career and concentrate on building this team off season and making the finals with what e have got. He has the cattle save the blood/y picks. No warnock and no Kerr.
geez if this team is a 6.5/10 then next year id expect a 8.5/10 and a top 4 finish. TW has spun himself into trouble with that call i would think.
The stupidest post ever on OER.
Ignorance is bliss.
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March will use the Herald-Sun tomorrow to deny there's a rift between himself and Wallace.
Well dont' we all feel better now :rollin
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there is a suggestion that the weagles want Tambling, Rance and Pick 26 for Daniel Kerr, In my opinion they can get stuffed.
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I dont care if there is a disagreement as they're a part of every day life and can be reolved.
But if there is a rift it leaves it all to get messy sooner or later. :-\ :scream
Cmon Tiges, hold it all together. :pray
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This is like 70's VFL stuff, it's just pathetic, Presidents need to be better than that these days, if they are going to entertain the media it is their responsibility to not give anything to the media to feed on. And yes I'm pointing the finger at you March. Like the players and TW himself he has a unique opportunity to stamp himself on the history of this club, but I haven't liked the way he's gone about it in the last few weeks and I give him a 2/10 for the year because he was very soft and compliant on our crap draw this year, he should've rallied Tiger fans and lobbied the AFL for a better slice of the action. He is under more pressure in 2009 than TW I reckon.
Having said that, the media have blown this out of proportion, they are gilding the lily a bit on the 5/10 thing. ::)
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Doesn't that mean we should expect an article the next day saying Wallace has been sacked
Isn't that the way it works in the footy industry?
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Gary March denies reports of rift with Terry Wallace
Mark Robinson | September 02, 2008
CONFUSION reigns at Richmond over coach Terry Wallace's power within the crucial list management committee.
President Gary March last night said Wallace was among the group headed by recruiting and list bosses Craig Cameron and Francis Jackson.
Just 48 hours earlier, however, when asked about Wallace's role, March said: "It's really important the list management stays with Craig and that group".
It's understood Wallace has told confidantes he's not part of the main group, which, along with being shut out of considerations for the appointment of the next head of football operations, has him at loggerheads with the president.
Asked last night if Wallace was part of the list management team, March said: "Of course he is."
"There's no board members on it, certainly not me, I've no intention of being on it.
"Craig Cameron, Francis Jackson are list management/recruiting, and Terry Wallace, the senior coach, is on the list management sub-committee with Steven Wright (chief executive) and I think Paul Armstrong (football manager) might be on it."
Reports of a rift between coach and president continue at Punt Rd, although March last night denied he was feuding with Wallace.
"There's no need to talk about it because there is no story there," March said.
Wallace did not return calls last night.
Sources, however, told the Herald Sun the pair had been opposed on several issues.
They include Wallace's lack of support for the club over football director Greg Miller's sacking and the pointed praise Wallace gave to his assistants - and none for the board - after the club's best win of the season, the Hawthorn victory in Round 20.
It's also understood March is keen to reduce player salaries next year, while Wallace says the team is "locked and loaded" and wants to chase a top-end performer, thought to be Daniel Kerr.
The key issue is that Wallace's strong belief in the club's list and development staff and programs is not matched by March.
There are also strong suggestions morale in the match committee is very low.
The list management issue comes after March, on Saturday, assessed Richmond's season as five out of 10, a mark Wallace later judged as "harsh".
March did not back down yesterday, although he separated Wallace's performance from the team's.
"Probably on reflection, he (Wallace) did feel it was probably a bit harsh, maybe it was, but I thought it was an honest assessment for Richmond people," March said.
"We finished outside the eight so on any measure that's five out of 10. I'm looking at it unemotionally from a football perspective. "I thought it was good five."
Of Wallace, he said: "I'd give him more than a five."
March reiterated his stance that the coach didn't need to be involved in the appointment of Miller's replacement.
"Terry has spoken to a couple of people about being involved... but we just didn't think that was right and he understands that," he said.
"He will know about it before we make an appointment but he doesn't need to be involved in the process because he reports to that person."
Asked if his relationship with Wallace was as strong as it had been, March said: "I'm telling you we still have a good relationship. Do we disagree on things? We do. Do I disagree with Steven Wright? Yes, I do. We don't always see eye to eye, of course we can't."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24279157-19742,00.html
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Wallace and Tigers' president head for a showdown
Caroline Wilson | September 2, 2008
RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace and his president, Gary March, appear to be on a collision course from which there can only be one survivor, and yet close observers with the best interests of the Tigers at heart believe the rift can be healed when the two men sit down today to discuss the club's immediate future.
Wallace, one of the game's best politicians, has been reading the play over recent months and not enjoying the script. He was right to have been unimpressed with the handling of the Greg Miller sacking; he was also right to have leapt to the defence of his coaching group when it became clear that fledgling board member Tony Free was talking out of school about them to potential replacements.
Wallace comes out of contract next season and while he has never said as much, perhaps is searching for some love at the end of this, his fourth season, in the form of an extended deal. Maybe this is why he has stated he will never coach anywhere else.
Or at the very least he remains offended that the club does not plan to consult him regarding Miller's replacement as head of the football department. The club, on the other hand, has no intention of canvassing the coach regarding the man who will in effect, be his boss just as the Western Bulldogs employed James Fantasia without including coach Rodney Eade in the process. Ditto Neil Balme at Geelong.
March's decision to rate the Tigers' season as a five out of 10 seems mean in terms of the club's improvement from the 2007 wooden spoon, but not in the context of where it finished — ninth.
The strong impression from March is that Wallace might be an astute politician but he is also a very good coach and an even better one when he leaves the politics aside and concentrates on coaching. Clearly, though, there was politics from both sides on Sunday before and after the Melbourne game and now both men have agreed to say nothing. There was talk yesterday that the impending crisis had brought forward today's scheduled meeting so that Wallace and his coaching team could deliver an angry message to the president, but that reportedly did not happen.
Wallace has been offended by suggestions he was told to devote himself more passionately to his football commitments over the past season-and-a-half at the expense of outside work such as media and public-speaking engagements but clearly there was an issue there.
We can only take March at face value when he continues to insist that Wallace is safe, but surely the board would have done better to pinpoint its preferred replacement for Miller — and suggestions are it was respected player agent Daniel Richardson, son of Barry — and grabbed him back in early August, ending all the speculation.
Instead at Richmond, there is a president seen to be interfering in football matters because the designated football director has a credibility problem and the chief executive, Steven Wright, has no authority when it comes to football matters.
Rarely has an appointment been more crucial for Richmond's future than that of Miller's successor. Unfortunately, the job is not looking that attractive at a time when the Tigers' on-field prospects finally look promising.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/showdown-looms-at-richmond/2008/09/02/1220121142942.html
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Asked if his relationship with Wallace was as strong as it had been, March said: "I'm telling you we still have a good relationship. Do we disagree on things? We do. Do I disagree with Steven Wright? Yes, I do. We don't always see eye to eye, of course we can't."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24279157-19742,00.html
A bit like OER :rollin :rollin
As I said yesterday if it wasn't Richmond this would be comical >:(
President Gary March last night said Wallace was among the group headed by recruiting and list bosses Craig Cameron and Francis Jackson.
Just 48 hours earlier, however, when asked about Wallace's role, March said: "It's really important the list management stays with Craig and that group".
It's understood Wallace has told confidantes he's not part of the main group, which, along with being shut out of considerations for the appointment of the next head of football operations, has him at loggerheads with the president.
Asked last night if Wallace was part of the list management team, March said: "Of course he is."
"There's no board members on it, certainly not me, I've no intention of being on it.
"Craig Cameron, Francis Jackson are list management/recruiting, and Terry Wallace, the senior coach, is on the list management sub-committee with Steven Wright (chief executive) and I think Paul Armstrong (football manager) might be on it."
All very interesting..... ;) with a bit of this :banghead :banghead thrown in
Question:
Doesn't part of this depend on how the other people who've now been dragged into this (Cameron and now Jackson) deal with it?
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SEN now saying this perceived rift has died down today. No news is good news?
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march is on the ball, he wont allow terry to ever feel too comfortable. this brings out te best in ppl. its when ppl become too comfortable that things go wrong and are taken to easily
if terry cant handle the heat, he knows he can walk
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The board mustn't allow wallace to cough up our early picks for Kerr or Warnock. We are not ready yet to do this, Richmond needs atleast the next draft to find 3 good players from the junior ranks to add to the group. A ruckman, A key forward and a midfielder.
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Caro said the situation between March and Wallace has been blown out of proportion. Really just Terry feeling a bit nervous given some of the things that have happened (Miller sacking and how it was handled, Tony Free upseting people, the 5/10 remark by March, etc) and dealing with an inexperienced Board. She hopes they just sit down and sort it all out between themselves. Hopefully they sat down today and did that.
Caro said March's 5/10 is reasonable mark for the year given Richmond finished 9th.
Healy said that's a laughable mark given the side has gone from 16th to 9th. That's rising up the ladder like a rocket.
Caro rebutted saying oh so you're asking for an improvement mark instead.
Healy said the club is surrounded by negativity as shown by March's 5/10 ranking. Compare that to Carlton and it's fans who are positive about the future and talking about a premiership next year. A Blues fan rang in saying they'll be happy with finals next year.
Caro said we're not negative and she'd give Carlton's year a 4/10.
Healy and Russell laughed at her saying it's one of best 4/10 years they've seen. They then asked Caro why Carlton fans as so positive and she replied they've got Judd.
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It might be blown out of proportion but the club aren't coming out in support of Wallace, so the speculation continues. And even if they did, after all the crap that's happened who'd believe them anyway.
Only way to stop the speculation is to extend his contract now by a year, so we don't have the media saying "will they or won't they sack him" all next year.
Don't need that and he's done enough for at least a one year extension.
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no poo,
march is a freaken genius
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The board mustn't allow wallace to cough up our early picks for Kerr or Warnock. We are not ready yet to do this, Richmond needs atleast the next draft to find 3 good players from the junior ranks to add to the group. A ruckman, A key forward and a midfielder.
I agree Ramps, but can someone tell me where and when Wallace said this? Is there a quote in the newspapers I can refer to?
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Caro also said the Club wants to hold onto Terry as they believe he's a good coach and if we're good enough to make the Eight next year she believes Terry is the right coach to do it.
A Tiger supporter rang in accusing the Herald-Sun off typical gutter journalism hoping we'll implode. They've been hanging on Wallace being sacked all year like gutter sharks.
Another Tiger "supporter" said he rang up last night too and said how do Tiger supporters expect Wallace to get us in the finals next year when he hasn't done it in his 4 years so far. It's been a long time since Richmond has made the finals. Healy quipped because Richmond has always sacked the coach before they achieve any success. Caro jumped in and said oh come off it Gerard, Frawley was given 5 years.
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Caro jumped in and said oh come off it Gerard, Frawley was given 5 years.
It took Terry 4 years to repair the list and build a worthy team...let's not forget that.
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Caro jumped in and said oh come off it Gerard, Frawley was given 5 years.
It took Terry 4 years to repair the list and build a worthy team...let's not forget that.
Exactly, the list he took over was an absolute disaster and we have come a long long way since. Granted, we still need a ruck, KPF and a few more mids, but geez, anyone who cannot see the huge improvement in the list over the last 4 years must be blind. I do agree, however, that we do not need to trade the entire '08 draft for Kerr or Warnock. Stick to what has helped build the better list, and if a good deal is offered for us to acquire a good young player for a draft pick, then look at it.
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Robert Walls having his say now
Terry Wallace and Tigers president Gary March are at odds. You get the feeling that March is eroding Wallace's power and pull at Richmond. Wallace has done a fine job this year, lifting a young team from bottom to ninth. The coach has the final year of a five-year deal to run. I doubt the contract will be extended.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/final-rounds-winding-path/2008/09/01/1220121134804.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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The board mustn't allow wallace to cough up our early picks for Kerr or Warnock. We are not ready yet to do this, Richmond needs atleast the next draft to find 3 good players from the junior ranks to add to the group. A ruckman, A key forward and a midfielder.
I agree Ramps, but can someone tell me where and when Wallace said this? Is there a quote in the newspapers I can refer to?
Here you go Moi.....
Ninth alright for Tigers
richmondfc.com.au
By Ben Casanelia
6:02 PM Sun 31 August, 2008
RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace says his side is locked and loaded for season 2009 after rounding out its 2008 home and away campaign with a comprehensive dismantling of wooden-spooner Melbourne.
The win was the Tigers 11th of the season and eight from its last 11 games – only red-hot premiership favourite Geelong has won more games in the second half of the season.
“We’ll take ninth, that’s where we’re at,” Wallace said of the Tigers final ladder position.
“We believe that this time around it’s a strong ninth.
“I genuinely think we are on the improve and what we’ve got to do is take that momentum into summer and ride into the start of next season.”
Wallace hopes the club can add to its list during the October trading period. The Tigers are rumoured to be keen to lure out of contract Fremantle ruckman Robert Warnock to back up the aging Troy Simmonds.
Wallace said the decision might not be his to make.
“I’d like to think we’ve set the scene for the footy club and I’d like to think the club would now give us opportunity got go to the market place,” he said.
“Decisions have to be made there and they’re not all my decisions.
“I think we are now locked and loaded and ready to be able to put in some form of challenge going into next year. What that means is do we go with the group we’ve got at the moment, or can we go out into the market place and add to that?
“That’s a financial decision, it’s not always a footy decision.”
The Tiger coach said 11 wins did not exceed his pre-season expectations and he was thrilled the side was able to finish the year strongly despite fielding a number of inexperienced players.
He said the key to the club’s future success was to get more games into the group and keep it intact for the long haul.
“We’ve come a fair way and we’ve still got a long way to go,” he said.
“Always the challenge for us was to get the young blokes into reasonable form before our senior players were at retirement stage
“That’s clearly a battle we’ve still got but our senior guys have still got a bit of senior footy in them.”
http://afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=66714
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Wallace hopes the club can add to its list during the October trading period. The Tigers are rumoured to be keen to lure out of contract Fremantle ruckman Robert Warnock to back up the aging Troy Simmonds.
Wallace said the decision might not be his to make.
“I’d like to think we’ve set the scene for the footy club and I’d like to think the club would now give us opportunity got go to the market place,” he said.
I still can't see where Wallace has said he is going for Kerr or Warnock. I can see rumour and innuendo being used by the media and other forum devotees to embellish their opinion but nowhere have I seen Wallace say we are going for Kerr or Warnock. All he has asked for permission from the board to do is go to the marketplace. As always, I am happy for someone to find me the source and I will change my opinion but fwiw, I think we will be chasing a ruckman as our priority and this does not necessarily mean Warnock. There may well be a number of other options come trade time but if there are none then he will need the security of having the board's permission to get involved in the Warnock trade and even then, that doesn't necessarily mean losing our draft picks, after all - it's Trade week. And us trading for a ruckman this year is not about saving butts, it's about enhancing a team structure that still has a few steps to take on it's climb up the ladder.
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Wallace hopes the club can add to its list during the October trading period. The Tigers are rumoured to be keen to lure out of contract Fremantle ruckman Robert Warnock to back up the aging Troy Simmonds.
Wallace said the decision might not be his to make.
“I’d like to think we’ve set the scene for the footy club and I’d like to think the club would now give us opportunity got go to the market place,” he said.
I still can't see where Wallace has said he is going for Kerr or Warnock. I can see rumour and innuendo being used by the media and other forum devotees to embellish their opinion but nowhere have I seen Wallace say we are going for Kerr or Warnock. All he has asked for permission from the board to do is go to the marketplace. As always, I am happy for someone to find me the source and I will change my opinion but fwiw, I think we will be chasing a ruckman as our priority and this does not necessarily mean Warnock. There may well be a number of other options come trade time but if there are none then he will need the security of having the board's permission to get involved in the Warnock trade and even then, that doesn't necessarily mean losing our draft picks, after all - it's Trade week. And us trading for a ruckman this year is not about saving butts, it's about enhancing a team structure that still has a few steps to take on it's climb up the ladder.
wallace has said a few times now that because we are still very young and on the up, this yrs draft is not that important. he has said we are locked and loaded and its time to top up with big fish. he has said it more than once, i dont understand why or how u have missed those comments
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wallace has said a few times now that because we are still very young and on the up, this yrs draft is not that important. he has said we are locked and loaded and its time to top up with big fish. he has said it more than once, i dont understand why or how u have missed those comments
I keep asking, where was it quoted or said? Locked and loaded - yes, asking permission to go to the marketplace - yes, top up with big fish - no, chasing Kerr or Warnock - no. Given that he has the reputation of being a media tart that gets his every spoken thought into the press it's reasonable to expect that just one of these statements would have been quoted into an article but I haven't seen one. As I said earlier, I have seen rumour and innuendo placed strategically around his comments to make it appear that this was his thinking or intent but the guy has not, ever, to my knowledge said that we are chasing either Warnock or Kerr, yet many internet forums are spending a lot of energy discussing 'what he said'. Have an opinion by all means but don't accuse him of something he hasn't said or done. And please, it will be so simple to prove me wrong (and I will be more than happy for you to do that) with just one piece of evidence, just one.
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I keep asking, where was it quoted or said? Locked and loaded - yes, asking permission to go to the marketplace - yes, top up with big fish - no, chasing Kerr or Warnock - no.
I re-read a number of the articles and its the journos that are implying that we are after Kerr, Wallace certainly hasn't said that.
What I read was that Wallace said he'd like the opportunity to go to the market place.
I dont see anything wrong with that, go to the market place and see what is available.
Funny in business I think it is called due diligence and is seen to be being responsible ... no harm in looking around the market to see what's there
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Wallace hopes the club can add to its list during the October trading period. The Tigers are rumoured to be keen to lure out of contract Fremantle ruckman Robert Warnock to back up the aging Troy Simmonds.
Wallace said the decision might not be his to make.
“I’d like to think we’ve set the scene for the footy club and I’d like to think the club would now give us opportunity got go to the market place,” he said.
I still can't see where Wallace has said he is going for Kerr or Warnock. I can see rumour and innuendo being used by the media and other forum devotees to embellish their opinion but nowhere have I seen Wallace say we are going for Kerr or Warnock. All he has asked for permission from the board to do is go to the marketplace. As always, I am happy for someone to find me the source and I will change my opinion but fwiw, I think we will be chasing a ruckman as our priority and this does not necessarily mean Warnock. There may well be a number of other options come trade time but if there are none then he will need the security of having the board's permission to get involved in the Warnock trade and even then, that doesn't necessarily mean losing our draft picks, after all - it's Trade week. And us trading for a ruckman this year is not about saving butts, it's about enhancing a team structure that still has a few steps to take on it's climb up the ladder.
you are right on the money, just as Wallace asked last year and year before :whistle
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Caro said the situation between March and Wallace has been blown out of proportion. Really just Terry feeling a bit nervous given some of the things that have happened (Miller sacking and how it was handled, Tony Free upseting people, the 5/10 remark by March, etc) and dealing with an inexperienced Board. She hopes they just sit down and sort it all out between themselves. Hopefully they sat down today and did that.
Caro said March's 5/10 is reasonable mark for the year given Richmond finished 9th.
Healy said that's a laughable mark given the side has gone from 16th to 9th. That's rising up the ladder like a rocket.
Caro rebutted saying oh so you're asking for an improvement mark instead.
Healy said the club is surrounded by negativity as shown by March's 5/10 ranking. Compare that to Carlton and it's fans who are positive about the future and talking about a premiership next year. A Blues fan rang in saying they'll be happy with finals next year.
Caro said we're not negative and she'd give Carlton's year a 4/10.
Healy and Russell laughed at her saying it's one of best 4/10 years they've seen. They then asked Caro why Carlton fans as so positive and she replied they've got Judd.
Good work Caro.
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For those that went last night to the B&F, how was March and Wallace's demeanour towards each other and did they mention each other in their speeches?
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For those that went last night to the B&F, how was March and Wallace's demeanour towards each other and did they mention each other in their speeches?
Neither mentioned each other that I can recall. Both seemed a little uneasy. March did his best to talk up 09 in an attempt to show coach support. It all seems a bit odd
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For those that went last night to the B&F, how was March and Wallace's demeanour towards each other and did they mention each other in their speeches?
Neither mentioned each other that I can recall. Both seemed a little uneasy. March did his best to talk up 09 in an attempt to show coach support. It all seems a bit odd
Would be extremely difficult for March to show some decorum/ diplomacy after what hapenned.
Any person who has had their performance questioned publically like that would naturally feel that the sharks are circling. Just makes the pre season the draw for next year and the first half dozen rounds critical to Wallace and whether he will see out the season.
Any continued animosity may impact on membership and proposed sponsors for next year so the club needs to shut up and focus.
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For those that went last night to the B&F, how was March and Wallace's demeanour towards each other and did they mention each other in their speeches?
Neither mentioned each other that I can recall. Both seemed a little uneasy. March did his best to talk up 09 in an attempt to show coach support. It all seems a bit odd
I thought March ended up talking up 2008 as well :P ;D, the way he spoke about 2008 you could argue he was giving it mroe than 5/10 :rollin.
Wallace, in his speech thanked everyone at the Club from the "top, the Board, CEO, admin staff and everyone in the the Footy Dept" but did not mention March directly
Personally, I thought Wallace got the "warmest" welcome from the 1000 folks there :rollin :rollin
:gotigers
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For those that went last night to the B&F, how was March and Wallace's demeanour towards each other and did they mention each other in their speeches?
Neither mentioned each other that I can recall. Both seemed a little uneasy. March did his best to talk up 09 in an attempt to show coach support. It all seems a bit odd
I thought March ended up talking up 2008 as well :P ;D, the way he spoke about 2008 you could argue he was giving it mroe than 5/10 :rollin.
Wallace, in his speech thanked everyone at the Club from the "top, the Board, CEO, admin staff and everyone in the the Footy Dept" but did not mention March directly
Personally, I thought Wallace got the "warmest" welcome from the 1000 folks there :rollin :rollin
:gotigers
lol all very diplomatic.
March must have changed his ranking to a high "5" once he dope remembered that the club needs members and sponsors :wallywink
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For those that went last night to the B&F, how was March and Wallace's demeanour towards each other and did they mention each other in their speeches?
Neither mentioned each other that I can recall. Both seemed a little uneasy. March did his best to talk up 09 in an attempt to show coach support. It all seems a bit odd
I thought March ended up talking up 2008 as well :P ;D, the way he spoke about 2008 you could argue he was giving it mroe than 5/10 :rollin.
Wallace, in his speech thanked everyone at the Club from the "top, the Board, CEO, admin staff and everyone in the the Footy Dept" but did not mention March directly
Personally, I thought Wallace got the "warmest" welcome from the 1000 folks there :rollin :rollin
:gotigers
lol all very diplomatic.
March must have changed his ranking to a high "5" once he dope remembered that the club needs members and sponsors :wallywink
stuff u have a small memory MT.
I wouldn't be throwing stones at March, lets not forget that Wallace came out and said we will fight for a flag in 5 years time or 2011 whatever it was.
Yes ur stuffin right the club need sponsors and members and that will go down as the most stuffed up comment i have ever heard from a coach.
whether it was true or not, it remains to be seen but one thing is for sure those comments should be kept in house not blurted out.
I have never heard a Malthouse or Sheedy type saying that. positive thoughts is what we need and i can bet you 1 million dollars the stuffwit wouldn't be repeating comments like ever again.
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eff u have a small memory MT.
I wouldn't be throwing stones at March, lets not forget that Wallace came out and said we will fight for a flag in 5 years time or 2011 whatever it was.
Yes ur effin right the club need sponsors and members and that will go down as the most stuffed up comment i have ever heard from a coach.
whether it was true or not, it remains to be seen but one thing is for sure those comments should be kept in house not blurted out.
I have never heard a Malthouse or Sheedy type saying that. positive thoughts is what we need and i can bet you 1 million dollars the effwit wouldn't be repeating comments like ever again.
Here are the facts of what Wallace said. When interviewed in late March 2007 he presented a detailed vision of the club's planned (and likely) on-field track. In many reports stemming from this "Tuesdays With Terry" (one quoted below is from an article by Damien Barrett and Michael Stevens http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21460858-23211,00.html (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21460858-23211,00.html)) it was reported widely words to the effect:
RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace says opportunity will knock for the Tigers in 2009, with a "decade of opportunity" to kick in from 2011.
"What opportunity that is, no one knows, but, certainly, it will be a time for us when two age brackets (of players) meet," Wallace said.
Wallace yesterday revealed detailed planning relating to Richmond's current and future playing list.
He said successful clubs needed many of their good players in the 22-26 age group.
"That's the age bracket that wins premierships," said Wallace, entering his third year as Tigers coach.
And more from that same article:
The club's future looks bright with its finances improving yearly.
Chief executive Steven Wright said he expected a $1 million profit this year and debt to fall to $3.5 million from $5.2 million in 2004.
With a $7 million redevelopment of Punt Rd to begin soon, Wright said the mood at the club was buoyant.
That was only 18 months ago and I would think that this type of presentation and vision would do nothing to scare off potential sponsors - much more likely to do the reverse and encourage them to come on board with a club that was following a strong and bold plan in getting it's on-field and off-field act together and become successful once again. The club had demonstrated it was capable of sticking to the plan and that in almost all measurable areas, the plan was working. Since then we have seen the football department continue it's efforts and presence of mind in sticking to the plan and lo and behold - here we are 18 months down the track and staring at - yes, thats right, "opportunity knocking in 2009", exactly as planned. The board however (not the paid administrators or employees but the board and mainly through the president), have decided for reasons known only to themselves to take on (in public) a destabilising stance that has placed the club in the spotlight for the wrong reasons at a critical time of trying to secure key personnel and sponsorships. Wallace's comments were neither blurted out, unreasonable, mis-timed, negative or counter-productive however the same can most certainly not be said for most of March's or Free's. Poorly timed, ill thought out, counter-productive and potentially damaging - the club has a right to expect much more from it's ruling council during this hard and long journey back to respectability and success - not the continuance of ego-driven factional power plays.
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Caro in today's Sunday Age...
Consider what we have seen already. Towards the end of last season, Terry Wallace and Richmond seemed headed for a showdown over a series of political issues that included the club's failure to extend his agreement. On the basis of finishing ninth, some media experts called for it also.
Happily for the Tigers, Wallace put his insecurities aside and patched things up with the club's president, Gary March, and the two men embarked on a health and fitness campaign that appears to have worked wonders on the psyches of both.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/cranking-up-the-coaching-merrygoround/2009/03/21/1237526387070.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Both getting ready to run out of there? ;D