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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #60 on: October 31, 2011, 03:35:09 PM »
I think this could set a new precedent in company vs union action tactics. Grounding the fleet for the over 24 hours has costed them less then strike action has and would of if union strikes continued on. So if Qantas can regain whatever brand damage this grounding has done then it'll show that if a company by locking out workers causes damage to the economy the FWA will terminate all union action.
Obviously the company would have to believe they'll get a better deal out of worse case scenario arbitration then dealing with unions as well though to go down this road of events.

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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #61 on: October 31, 2011, 05:43:47 PM »
Daniel, all the information I have presented has been from a transcript provided by Alan Joyce Himself this morning. If you do a bit of research on the net you will find it. I know who I would believe anyway.

Re the 14 engineers per aircraft, its called advancements in technology. As WP mentioned A380 aircraft require less engineers. It has nothing to do with mismanagement. Remember, as we have seen, its not that easy to make people redundant these days. 

Actually in my defence Daniel, here is the audio link for your listening pleasure.
http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=10589

I know you enjoy trying to make people look like fools with your forthright commentary and alleged extensive real world experience, but I think you have some homework to do on this one.  ::)

Well then if it has come from Alan Joyce it must be true then.

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At least he has gone on record 65. If you have the facts to refute what he has said, then by all means produce them and I will listen.


"approximately, some get paid that rate others another rate" across the board etc etc clever use of words from a bloke who bends over blokes in his spare time, not that theres anything wrong with being gay. Joyce has no idea how to run a successful airline which is evident by his reduction in salary. He can not justify an increase and he knows it.

I may be younger Tiga  but sometimes you should know a bit more about it then just going off a useless pre determined interview. I respect your opinion because in other topics you seem very intelligent, but dont believe the twisted sneak use of words Joyce.


He never said all employes get 14% as you have suggested he said "some do". Some can be 4 employees, 200 employees or 65 employers. It was a rubbish interview.

Keep digging. Anyone can use words cleverly to support their argument.

You wrote "Qantas staff already receive 14% SG. Incorrect!!
10% to all baggage staff and ground staff as i said earlier.

Maybe he came up with the 14% figure when he was bending his boyfriend over or maybe just maybe he was referring to his big wig mates in management.

Anyone can google a bit of info and cut and paste and interview, but try speaking to people who actually work there and have worked there for a very long time, instead of shooting your mouth off about an industry where you are not privy to all the factual information.

i challenge you to provide proof because that interview is not proof.  Do you have a copy of the EBA ????

A one eyed biased Alan Jones trying to make Joyce and QF look like innocent little souls.    :chuck :chuck

A copy of the draft eba from FAAA and TWU will do it as proof, but by all  means just ask any individual who works at the airport, Its actually not that hard.

Every Qantas employee at the airport will tell you they get either 9% or 10% super. FACT!!

as for getting paid more than any other airline again do you have a copy of all Qantas contracts do you. It seems you have no proof whatsoever apart.

Speak to the people Tiga they dont lie
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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #62 on: October 31, 2011, 06:32:08 PM »
What you socialists have to answer is why when Alan Joyce rang Gillard and left a message with her office she didnt bother to ring him back. If she'd rung him and offered to assist he wouldnt have grounded the aircraft. Gillards the worst Prime Minister in Australian history and poo lazy to boot it seems. stuffen hopeless IMHO.

Errrrr Flags ....ummmm Joyce has admitted he didn't ask for Gillard to ring him, actually you might find he didn't even ring her office. Tpt Minister contacted her office. Joyve only spoke to Albanese

Going to give out whacks give them out when & where they are deserved  ;D

this is not and should not be a political issue despite ceertain pollies trying to turn it into one

the story as I relayed it on here was said on radio. so if what they said is wrong then clearly what I said is wrong and I in the spirit of traditional Australian politics withdraw what I said lol.  ;D

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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #63 on: October 31, 2011, 06:34:37 PM »
what you facists have to answer is why you expect the prime minister to get involved when it is right wing policy for governments to not get involved in the business world and let the capitalist system regulate itself.

If one of the mods can officially change my name tag to "Machiavellian Tiger" I would be most impressed  ;D

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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #64 on: October 31, 2011, 06:40:49 PM »
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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #65 on: November 01, 2011, 05:29:37 PM »

Personally I don't give a toss if he knew early or not but...

To lie about it smacks of a watergate type cover-up.

This, if true, could mean his demise.

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Abbott denies having prior knowledge of Qantas grounding

 By Jeremy Thompson

The Qantas political brawl has escalated dramatically with an extraordinary suggestion that Opposition Leader Tony Abbott had prior knowledge that Qantas was to ground its aircraft.

Mr Abbott was forced to deny the claim in Parliament, saying he heard about the grounding only a few minutes before it came into force on Saturday.

Transport Minister Anthony Albanese called a press conference to question why Mr Abbott suddenly changed his rhetoric on Friday to demand the Government intervene in the dispute.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-01/abbott-denies-prior-qantas-grounding-knowledge/3613094
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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #66 on: November 01, 2011, 06:18:28 PM »
1965 I told you Gillard will try and blame this on Abbott. Answer me this why do you keep blaming Abbott for things that are happen when his not even the PM? According to Gillard and ALP supporters it seems Tony Abbott the opposition leader has more power then the current PM and Government.
Fact is he told Gillard to intervene on friday and she didn't. Also on the channel 7 news(just before) it shown a Qantas statement saying Tony only found out between 4.15-5pm on Saturday.
Gillard needs to stop blaming the opposition and answer the tough questions her self.


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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #67 on: November 01, 2011, 06:56:20 PM »
1965 I told you Gillard will try and blame this on Abbott. Answer me this why do you keep blaming Abbott for things that are happen when his not even the PM? According to Gillard and ALP supporters it seems Tony Abbott the opposition leader has more power then the current PM and Government.
Fact is he told Gillard to intervene on Friday and she didn't. Also on the channel 7 news(just before) it shown a Qantas statement saying Tony only found out between 4.15-5pm on Saturday.
Gillard needs to stop blaming the opposition and answer the tough questions her self.

Indeed he suddenly changed track on Friday.
And that's not to mention the two Liberal State Premiers who obviously were told as well.

This smells and you know it smells.

Tony A has once again been caught out by his constant negativity and lies.

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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #68 on: November 02, 2011, 07:07:22 AM »
Fact is he told Gillard to intervene on friday and she didn't. Also on the channel 7 news(just before) it shown a Qantas statement saying Tony only found out between 4.15-5pm on Saturday.
Gillard needs to stop blaming the opposition and answer the tough questions her self.

Fact is Tony stopped a press conference yesterday when he was asked a question. That's what he got attacked in parliament for yesterday

He was asked in his "presser" when he was made aware of the possibility that QANTAS management might ground the fleet not when he knew it was going to happen which was as you said 4.15-5pm Saturday. He refused to answer. He did his stock standard "ums & arhs" and then stopped the presser

Everyone's favourite CEO Joyce has said that he spoke to the opposition leader's office a number of times over the last few weeks and said the grounding was a "possibility" supposedly like he did with the govt...

Fact is a anyone could have intervened under the FWA act (including concerned State Premiers & Fedearl opposition leaders  ;D) but all the pollies chose not to because just like every other thing that happens in this country they had to turn it into political footy
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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #69 on: November 02, 2011, 12:39:51 PM »
Well said WP. Political football is incredibly annoying and so not required in this situation.

And 65 you are just as bad.  :banghead Always trying to turn any situation into an anti-Abbott diatribe. Hell I bet if you bought a cold pie you'd blame it on Abbott. Its getting old Bro...real old... :sleep "Watergate"....Good one Chicken little.   :rollin

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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #70 on: November 02, 2011, 04:12:37 PM »

Now it's Hockey's turn to be caught out lying.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-02/albanese-renews-attack-over-qantas/3614710

Government seizes on Hockey's Qantas comments

The Federal Government has seized on comments by shadow treasurer Joe Hockey that he was told by Qantas well before Saturday that it was planning to ground its aircraft.

Transport Minister Anthony Albanese is suggesting Qantas and the Opposition colluded during the industrial dispute and the Opposition knew well in advance the aircraft would be grounded.

On ABC TV's 7.30 last night, Mr Hockey told Leigh Sales he heard the aircraft would be grounded "weeks ago".

"They've [Qantas] been saying it. Weeks ago. Publicly and privately, they have been saying for weeks," Mr Hockey said.


and today...

Mr Hockey moved to clarify what he had said, telling ABC News Breakfast this morning the Opposition had not heard about the lockout of workers until "4:45[pm] on Saturday".

"Qantas had not suggested there was going to be a lockout at any previous time to that," he said.

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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #71 on: November 02, 2011, 08:33:56 PM »
Yep Qantas bought the wrong planes on top of having parts and bits of the fuselage falling off a number of planes mid-flight which damaged the reputation of Qantas' formerly impeccable safety record and the whole airline brand itself - yet the CEO still receives a 70% $2m payrise ::). Laughable! Where's the real accountability of the Qantas board and CEO Joyce for these poor decisions?

In fairness to Joyce the decision to purchase the Boeing 787 dreamliners was made by previous management & board, so he inherited that. He & the current board are the ones who has deferred their purchase because the company cannot afford it

As I said he doesn't deserve the pay rise; it's one of the dumbest corporate decisions of the last 20 odd years

But I dont' think he should be whacked for decisions made before he became the CEO.
Fair enough WP but Joyce has been in charge while there have been midflight problems with aircraft, while Qantas' shareprice has fallen further and while no dividends are being paid. Then we have 5 Qantas directors who have been on the board for 5 years or more avoiding any responsibility for past poor decisions and avoid any need to make sacrificies for the good of the company. This is the same company that gave its former CEO $11m for 5 months work on his way out.  As I said I have no issue with management needing to making tough decisions to trim the fat throughout the company provided there is genuine leadership. However the 70% pay increase is more than just dumb. It is a representation of a total lack of leadership and more of the same inept greedy culture at the top that treats everyone else with contempt and as fools. The crux of good leadership is showing positive initiative and leading by example. There is no leadership from the top at Qantas and until that changes then Qantas' future will remain questionable.

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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #72 on: November 05, 2011, 02:43:46 AM »
Looks like Qantas will be fined $1.1 million for continuing to sell tickets online for 3.5 hours after the lockdown  :wallywink. That's half of Joyce's payrise  ::).
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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #73 on: November 22, 2011, 04:00:18 PM »
QANTAS' attempt at social media promotion has turned into a classic PR disaster, with users hijacking the promotional tag to insult the airline.

In the past week, Qantas hired four full-time social media monitors to keep tabs on what people are saying about it on Twitter and Facebook.

After this latest debacle, they may certainly have their hands full.

http://www.news.com.au/business/breaking-news/qantas-attempt-at-twitter-promotion-a-pr-disaster/story-e6frfkur-1226202536419

This is what you obviously get a 70% pay rise for as CEO :stupid  :rollin
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