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Our tall stocks
« on: October 04, 2009, 03:19:42 PM »
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"We think we did a fair bit of planning last year with our forwards, we took Jayden Post (No. 26) and Ty Vickery (No.8 ) with our first and second picks," Jackson said.

"By taking them that put us in a good position with our talls. It (key position) is certainly something we will look to bolster but we are confident they (Post and Vickery) are going to be good players."
???

I believe FJ is deluding himself if he thinks we are in a good position with our talls. Forgetting about quality for the moment  :help and just talking numbers on our list - we are about to lose Richo, Simmo, Polak, Schulz, Hughes, Silvester and Gourdis within a year. Patto and Putt may be gone as well.

That leaves ....

Def: Thursty, McGuane, Rance, Moore
For: Riewoldt, Post
Rucks: Vickery, Graham, Browne

If just 9 talls going forward with GC17 and WS hogging the next 3 drafts is classed as a good position then I'll go he.   
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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2009, 04:26:22 PM »
Francis Jackson has proved time and time again he has no idea and this is another example.

lets just forget about the tall KPP shall we Francis

he is in another planet if he thinks his job is done in the tall KPP department with Post and Vickery.



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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2009, 05:31:00 PM »
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"We think we did a fair bit of planning last year with our forwards, we took Jayden Post (No. 26) and Ty Vickery (No.8 ) with our first and second picks," Jackson said.

"By taking them that put us in a good position with our talls. It (key position) is certainly something we will look to bolster but we are confident they (Post and Vickery) are going to be good players."
???

I believe FJ is deluding himself if he thinks we are in a good position with our talls. Forgetting about quality for the moment  :help and just talking numbers on our list - we are about to lose Richo, Simmo, Polak, Schulz, Hughes, Silvester and Gourdis within a year. Patto and Putt may be gone as well.

That leaves ....

Def: Thursty, McGuane, Rance, Moore
For: Riewoldt, Post
Rucks: Vickery, Graham, Browne

If just 9 talls going forward with GC17 and WS hogging the next 3 drafts is classed as a good position then I'll go he.   

I reckon we will pick one up with our 2nd or 3rd pick and maybe another one in the rookie draft.

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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2009, 07:58:31 PM »
I reckon we will pick one up with our 2nd or 3rd pick and maybe another one in the rookie draft.
I think we will too smokey but the concern is the quality of the KPPs available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft when we have the chance to select the best KPP at pick 3. No doubt the spin will be that we got a KPP we considered top 10 at pick 19.
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2009, 10:36:33 PM »
even if we don't get a good kpp with our 2nd or 3rd round pick.  we can still get another next year even if GC is supposed to dominate the draft.  if we get wooden spoon we'd have pick 4.  bound to be able to pick up a good tall. 

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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2009, 02:37:03 AM »
if we get wooden spoon we'd have pick 4. 

If? I reckon we're a near certainty.
Tragic situation when you head into a coming season feeling more confident about your spoon chances than playing finals, let alone a premiership.

Re the talls we have currently, agreed MT we need more, more & more.

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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2009, 07:26:01 AM »
if we get wooden spoon we'd have pick 4. 

If? I reckon we're a near certainty.
Tragic situation when you head into a coming season feeling more confident about your spoon chances than playing finals, let alone a premiership.

Re the talls we have currently, agreed MT we need more, more & more.


well great then if we're certainties for the spoon.  we needn't worry about not being able to secure a class tall then.

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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2009, 09:21:53 AM »
I reckon we will pick one up with our 2nd or 3rd pick and maybe another one in the rookie draft.
I think we will too smokey but the concern is the quality of the KPPs available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft when we have the chance to select the best KPP at pick 3. No doubt the spin will be that we got a KPP we considered top 10 at pick 19.

What it boils down to with me MT is that I don't like taking risks with KPP's and I see Pick #3 for a KPP as too risky.  If we take one of Scully, Trengove or Martin with that pick we are guaranteed (as best you can be) of having a very good footballer in what I consider the critical position of the midfield.  KPP's tend to be more hit and miss, probably because there are not as many of them available each year and I think you are nearly as likely to pick up a good one with a later pick.  I am of the belief that premierships are built around winning midfields and that you can have average to good KPP's who are made better by a 'Rolls Royce' midfield.  Conversely, an average midfield will never ever ever win you a premiership, even with the best KPP's going around.

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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2009, 01:17:31 PM »
I was really looking for Griffiths or Black. I dont rate Temel. Temel is a VFL standard player. Problem is Black went really at Draft camp and I cant see him lasting till 19. Griffiths will probably be gone by then as well.

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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2009, 05:00:06 PM »
I was really looking for Griffiths or Black. I dont rate Temel. Temel is a VFL standard player. Problem is Black went really at Draft camp and I cant see him lasting till 19. Griffiths will probably be gone by then as well.

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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2009, 07:17:58 PM »
Carlisle is also a good option but my opinion- not that I would know more than anyone else is that he seemed more of KP Defensive player. Im looking for us to get a key forward and thats where I was hoping for Griffiths or Black. Black has come from the clouds. He was little known 2 months ago.

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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2009, 07:59:26 PM »
Post looks like a defender to me. Not a key forward.


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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2009, 09:32:43 PM »
Post looks like a defender to me. Not a key forward.
Based on what? His U18 year?
At AFL level he looks far more comfortable as a forward and looked lost in defence

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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2009, 10:21:04 PM »

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"We think we did a fair bit of planning last year with our forwards, we took Jayden Post (No. 26) and Ty Vickery (No.8 ) with our first and second picks," Jackson said.

"By taking them that put us in a good position with our talls. It (key position) is certainly something we will look to bolster but we are confident they (Post and Vickery) are going to be good players."
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I believe FJ is deluding himself if he thinks we are in a good position with our talls. Forgetting about quality for the moment  :help and just talking numbers on our list - we are about to lose Richo, Simmo, Polak, Schulz, Hughes, Silvester and Gourdis within a year. Patto and Putt may be gone as well.

That leaves ....

Def: Thursty, McGuane, Rance, Moore
For: Riewoldt, Post
Rucks: Vickery, Graham, Browne

If just 9 talls going forward with GC17 and WS hogging the next 3 drafts is classed as a good position then I'll go he.  

agree very silly statement from jackson. and its worse than you say. moore is not a kp mcguane and graham are not up to afl standard and browne is a rookie who has a long long way to go.

post while taken to play kpf is more likely a kpd.  vickery sheesh i thought he was a ruckman what jackson is doing lumping him in as a permanent forward is bewildering.

ive done this before and will do it again. look at the structure of the majority of sides on any given game day.
it usually goes

b/           *****       genuine big bodied kpd.      *****
hb/        *****          genuine big bodied  kd.      third tall
c/          *****               *****                     *****
hf/         ******        genuine marking chf         *****
f/          *****             genuine ff                     third tall
r/          ruckman        ******                         ******
int        ruckman         *****   *****      possibly tall running  utility       

yep most clubs will take 8 talls into games each week and more if you have a tall like corey who plays as a mid but structurally 8 is normally it.

in moving forward we dont have enough for decent structure  it is a disgrace.

the ideal is cover for each position so you would have 6 tall defenders 4 of which are capable of playing kp and holding their own. ditto for tall forwards and 4 ruckmen.  of course you will have roughly 10 at or close to afl standard the rest should be in various stages of development.
it also goes to say if you need 16 who you are reasonably sure can play at afl level and will become afl standard you will have to load up with surplus talls we all know every pick we take wont make it the fail rate for clubs is somewhere between 30 and 40 percent.

the amount of work that has to be done in this area is staggering.

having said this in no way should we waste pick 3 by targeting a tall with it who is not best available.

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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2009, 10:33:37 PM »
Post looks like a defender to me. Not a key forward.
Based on what? His U18 year?
At AFL level he looks far more comfortable as a forward and looked lost in defence

I agree, Post looked much more comfortable as a forward. I think he has a little bit of that X factor that will make him an exciting player for us.  :thumbsup