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Re: Moloney over Lonergan or any number of mids we have.
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2012, 07:27:07 AM »
Moloney? The same one who struggled at Melbourne this year?

Pass.

At least Lonergan will only cost small dime for a year before being delisted.

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Re: Moloney over Lonergan or any number of mids we have.
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2012, 07:56:17 AM »
What a bloody joke, prob lead the pre season pee up contest. Love hos post season booze up pics in Bali with the boys.
LoL claw, we d be a better chance if we lured ben cousins out of retirement and tried to convert danny cipriani to aussie rules :lol
we will get to see just what we ignored when we play brisbane this yr wont we. 

Ahh the good old wait to we play Brisbane line, I am surprised you didnt make the call they are going to play finals this year.

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Re: Moloney over Lonergan or any number of mids we have.
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2012, 11:45:49 AM »
we got one baked potato for one one year but claw wants to get the roast potato for two years instead.
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Re: Moloney over Lonergan or any number of mids we have.
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2012, 12:56:07 PM »
What a bloody joke, prob lead the pre season pee up contest. Love hos post season booze up pics in Bali with the boys.
LoL claw, we d be a better chance if we lured ben cousins out of retirement and tried to convert danny cipriani to aussie rules :lol
we will get to see just what we ignored when we play brisbane this yr wont we. 

Ahh the good old wait to we play Brisbane line, I am surprised you didnt make the call they are going to play finals this year.
id say they have just as much chance as us of making finals id say moloney gives them a better chance.but wait we took lonergan so we did better it seems lol.

seems no one here is prepared to ask could and should we have done better than what we did seems everyone thinks we couldnt.
it must be wonderful living in ignorant bliss all the time.

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Re: Moloney over Lonergan or any number of mids we have.
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2012, 01:28:12 PM »
Moloney was only interested in going to the Lions so it's all moot

Like asking why we didn't pick up Ablett

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Re: Moloney over Lonergan or any number of mids we have.
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2012, 01:32:57 PM »
Moloney was only interested in going to the Lions so it's all moot

Like asking why we didn't pick up Ablett

The reason is that Brisbane were the only team willing to pay him 700k over 2 years.

Not sure how Maloney  an be compared to lonergan, one is a rookie on 40 k a year and the other has a two year contract worth 750k over 2 years. Might as well say we should have got Goddard instead of lonergan:

The simple fact is we took senior depth on mInimim money

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« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2012, 01:40:28 PM »
correct

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Re: Moloney over Lonergan or any number of mids we have.
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2012, 01:52:40 PM »
I'm not a fan of us picking up Lonergan even just as a rookie (VFL standard player) but if we had picked up Moloney at 29 on our senior list we would've been accused of topping up again especially at 700k for 2 years. I would've preferred us to be more aggressive during the trade period and offloaded Jacko say to score another early-ish (top 20) pick. The Club has admitted that only 3 kids they were interested in were still around by the time our second pick #32 came up.
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Re: Moloney over Lonergan or any number of mids we have.
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2012, 02:08:15 PM »
Jackson for a top 20 pick LMFAO

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Re: Moloney over Lonergan or any number of mids we have.
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2012, 02:25:16 PM »
Moloney? The same one who struggled at Melbourne this year?

Pass.

At least Lonergan will only cost small dime for a year before being delisted.
pay peanuts get monkeys. im happy to pay a fair income to a decent player.moloney is more than decent.

lol so you think no other player struggled this yr at other clubs. geez with what happened at melbourne this yr Geez h Geez himself would have struggled.
 but hey lets ignore that, lets ignore what the player has done previously, it was plain moloney wanted out of the place.easier  to ignore those things easier to not focus on footy ability after all if you do focus on em you wont have an argument.

are you seriously suggesting to me that he cant play id love to see what you think about the many hacks we have then. he would be in our top 10 easily imo.but thats typical of posters every other player at other clubs are hacks.
if his age was no barrier after all we took a 31 yr old and a 28 yr old why would you not go after the best mature mid available to you. they did say we desperately need mids didnt they.

i also have to ask who was the best mature ruckman available not orren stephenson surely. have we now got adequate midfield depth and quality hmm i sure dont think so. are our ruck stocks in good shape lol clearly not. do we have adequate numbers of tall forwards nope again. geez people telling me to not question what goes on when  clearly more of us should be.

in total we cleaned out 12 players all i have suggested is we do 2 more and actually take 7 mature players and 7 aged 22 or less.

for me an intake of
vlastuin 18 yo mid has the size to play now.
mcintosh 18yo tall defender
mcbean 18 yo ruckman long term.
mcdonough 18 yo for/mid could possibly play now be nice to have some class among the sml forwards.
howson 18 yo tall forward will take time but we are short of tall forwards.
hannath 21 yo ruckman could play afl now if needed.
k martin 22 yo mid ready to go
s lonergan 24 yo mid not my cup of tea but ready to go we could have taken him with our last pick.
chaplin 26yo kpd needed big body down back.
knights 26yo for/mid needed mid and forard.
s martin 26yo ruck/def ready to go could play as the 2nd ruckman allowing vickery to play solely as a forward and in a kp.
s dwyer 26yo mid best performed state league player for yrs ready to play and a better option than many we have.
moloney 28yo mid would be a top 10 player with us.
edwards 28yo medium sized forward have to ask how many like him do we have? simple answer is none well not ready to go anyway.

we were in a position to take every one of these players or at least have a crack at them.some we took im just trying to show how we could have easily improved on what we did.

our rucks would look like
maric, martin, hannath, mcbean. geez 4 ruckmen.

our genuine mids would go
arnot, knights, moloney, dwyer, k martin, lonergan,vlastuin, conca, cotchin,deledio,ellis, foley, grigg, helbig, jackson, martin,tuck, a total of 17 with a good spread of experience age and games played.

our tall forwards would go
howson, vickery,elton, riewoldt,  one of astbury or griffiths if not both. thats 5 tall forwards

our tall defenders would go
chaplin, darrou, grimes,rance, mcintosh one of astbury griffiths but it seems both are being groomed as backmen. that 6 tall defenders.

our specialist sml/med flankers both for and backs would go
a edwards, s edwards, ohanlon, batchelor, houli, king, nahas, mcdonough, morris, dea, newman, verrier,  thats 12 hopefully some can become a part of rotations.

finally none of this is hindsight at some stage before each draft and during it i called for most of these players to be taken. ive gone along with the clubs nd picks to save arguments and i have gone along with lonergan and a few others as well. what im saying is we could have done a lot more and imo better.




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Re: Moloney over Lonergan or any number of mids we have.
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2012, 02:29:21 PM »
Moloney was only interested in going to the Lions so it's all moot

Like asking why we didn't pick up Ablett

The reason is that Brisbane were the only team willing to pay him 700k over 2 years.

Not sure how Maloney  an be compared to lonergan, one is a rookie on 40 k a year and the other has a two year contract worth 750k over 2 years. Might as well say we should have got Goddard instead of lonergan:

The simple fact is we took senior depth on mInimim money
so you dont want to pay what would be close to the average wage for a mature proven afl player. hmm strange.i wonder how much jacksons getting or mcguane or matt white id rather pay moloney what is a fair wage than pay those hacks a nickle.

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Re: Moloney over Lonergan or any number of mids we have.
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2012, 02:41:50 PM »
I don't want to pay 375k a year for a plodder with as many deficiencies in his game as Moloney, no

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Re: Moloney over Lonergan or any number of mids we have.
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2012, 03:06:16 PM »
Use some bloody punctuation, claw.

It's not hard.

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Re: Moloney over Lonergan or any number of mids we have.
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2012, 05:05:08 PM »
Stephan Martin would have cost us a Draft Pick.Unlike the big S who cost us nothing.BTW i swear we drafted a couple of Talls/Ruckman over the past few years.Ever heard of Free Agency Claw?Use that for a mature ruckman if need to.And yes that costs us nothing.
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Re: Moloney over Lonergan or any number of mids we have.
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2012, 05:27:47 PM »
I have heard about the over flowing hamburger theory, but what the eff is this; the over flowing roast theory with extra spuds.